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Trump, once Presbyterian, now says he’s a ‘nondenominational Christian’

Washington • In an exclusive interview with Religion News Service, President Donald Trump said in a written statement that he no longer identifies as a Presbyterian and now sees himself as a nondenominational Christian.

“Though I was confirmed at a Presbyterian church as a child, I now consider myself to be a nondenominational Christian,” Trump, who has repeatedly identified as a Presbyterian in the past, said in a written response to RNS.

Saying that his parents “taught me the importance of faith and prayer from a young age,” Trump went on to say that “Melania and I have gotten to visit some amazing churches and meet with great faith leaders from around the world. During the unprecedented COVID-19 outbreak, I tuned into several virtual church services and know that millions of Americans did the same.”

The revelation about Trump’s religious identity appeared in an interview that was conducted in writing and covered a variety of faith topics, ranging from the president’s own spiritual life to his plans for the White House office tasked with engaging faith groups.

Questions for the interview, which were first negotiated with the White House press office, were presented to the president by Paula White, a Florida pastor and the head of the White House Faith and Opportunity Initiative, according to the White House.

White House staffers said that the answers are attributable to the president.

Despite the unusual context, the result is a rare exchange about religion-related matters with a president who, while allying closely with evangelical Christian leaders, has said relatively little about his own faith.

Asked whether he learned anything spiritually from his experience of contracting COVID-19, Trump responded that he and Melania “felt the prayers of Americans from all across the country — and even around the world” when he was recovering at Walter Reed National Military Medical Center.

“I said, ‘There were miracles coming down from heaven.’ I meant it,” he wrote. “Melania and I are very thankful to God for looking out for our family and returning us to good health.”

Though the president didn’t directly answer a question about particular spiritual lessons he had learned from his influential evangelical supporters, Trump praised their faith and said Franklin Graham, president and CEO of his father Billy’s evangelistic organization and of the relief organization Samaritan’s Purse, had visited the Oval Office to pray for him earlier this month.

“These amazing people love the U.S.A. and have a genuine desire to work together for the betterment of all Americans,” Trump said. “I appreciate their prayers and am encouraged by their great faith.”

After saying that he considers himself a nondenominational Christian, which came in response to the question, “Do you consider yourself an evangelical Christian?” the president turned the discussion from his personal faith to his admiration for his evangelical advisers' willingness to reopen their churches in the face of the pandemic. They “are passionate about America’s traditional values and want our churches to be open,” he said.

“Thankfully, many great churches are now back open and meeting in person,” he wrote, seemingly ignoring that multiple COVID-19 outbreaks have occurred at houses of worship, including a recent “superspreader” event that took place this month at a church in Maine.

The remainder of the interview revolved around policy questions that impact religion.

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Trump, once Presbyterian, now says he’s a ‘nondenominational Christian’

Washington • In an exclusive interview with Religion News Service, President Donald Trump said in a written statement that he no longer identifies as a Presbyterian and now sees himself as a nondenominational Christian.

“Though I was confirmed at a Presbyterian church as a child, I now consider myself to be a nondenominational Christian,” Trump, who has repeatedly identified as a Presbyterian in the past, said in a written response to RNS.

Saying that his parents “taught me the importance of faith and prayer from a young age,” Trump went on to say that “Melania and I have gotten to visit some amazing churches and meet with great faith leaders from around the world. During the unprecedented COVID-19 outbreak, I tuned into several virtual church services and know that millions of Americans did the same.”

The revelation about Trump’s religious identity appeared in an interview that was conducted in writing and covered a variety of faith topics, ranging from the president’s own spiritual life to his plans for the White House office tasked with engaging faith groups.

Questions for the interview, which were first negotiated with the White House press office, were presented to the president by Paula White, a Florida pastor and the head of the White House Faith and Opportunity Initiative, according to the White House.

White House staffers said that the answers are attributable to the president.

Despite the unusual context, the result is a rare exchange about religion-related matters with a president who, while allying closely with evangelical Christian leaders, has said relatively little about his own faith.

Asked whether he learned anything spiritually from his experience of contracting COVID-19, Trump responded that he and Melania “felt the prayers of Americans from all across the country — and even around the world” when he was recovering at Walter Reed National Military Medical Center.

“I said, ‘There were miracles coming down from heaven.’ I meant it,” he wrote. “Melania and I are very thankful to God for looking out for our family and returning us to good health.”

Though the president didn’t directly answer a question about particular spiritual lessons he had learned from his influential evangelical supporters, Trump praised their faith and said Franklin Graham, president and CEO of his father Billy’s evangelistic organization and of the relief organization Samaritan’s Purse, had visited the Oval Office to pray for him earlier this month.

“These amazing people love the U.S.A. and have a genuine desire to work together for the betterment of all Americans,” Trump said. “I appreciate their prayers and am encouraged by their great faith.”

After saying that he considers himself a nondenominational Christian, which came in response to the question, “Do you consider yourself an evangelical Christian?” the president turned the discussion from his personal faith to his admiration for his evangelical advisers' willingness to reopen their churches in the face of the pandemic. They “are passionate about America’s traditional values and want our churches to be open,” he said.

“Thankfully, many great churches are now back open and meeting in person,” he wrote, seemingly ignoring that multiple COVID-19 outbreaks have occurred at houses of worship, including a recent “superspreader” event that took place this month at a church in Maine.

The remainder of the interview revolved around policy questions that impact religion.

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Trump, once Presbyterian, now says he’s a ‘nondenominational Christian’

While not everyone will be happy with this move, I think this a good move, considering the direction certain denominations are going, also to mention I believe some Presbyterians are cessationists, I am not sure if I would say all of them are, but some certainly are. Someone else might know about this.

Throughout Trump's time in office he has been surround by Charismatic Christians, perhaps this is something that influenced his decision to leave the Presbyterian title and go non-denominational.
 

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I think it is awesome Trump had opportunities to meet with Christians of numerous denominations and concluded;
Denominational Names are irrelevant factors... and that Belief in God is the only Fact that matters.

Glory to God,
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While not everyone will be happy with this move, I think this a good move, considering the direction certain denominations are going, also to mention I believe some Presbyterians are cessationists, I am not sure if I would say all of them are, but some certainly are. Someone else might know about this.

Throughout Trump's time in office he has been surround by Charismatic Christians, perhaps this is something that influenced his decision to leave the Presbyterian title and go non-denominational.

I have give Trump some credit for knowing how to play the political game to his advantage. He's crafty enough to know exactly what to say to keep his supporters in line. In fact, he carried out this astute and illusive strategy while he campaigning during the last election. It's ironic that Trump has been compared to a criminal who conveniently found Jesus Christ and "was miraculously saved" shortly before his parole hearing.
 

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Maybe someone told him Mr. Rogers had been a Presbyterian minister before he went on TV and his widow said she thought Trump was a horrible person? I know Trump visited Mr. Rogers' Neighborhood, Latrobe -- not sure if that's when Mrs. Rogers said that. Maybe he shouldn't have invaded Mr. Rogers' neighborhood.

Someone in the Trump campaign thought it insulting to say Biden was boring, it was like watching Mr. Rogers. Biden said he'd take that as a compliment.

 

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I have give Trump some credit for knowing how to play the political game to his advantage. He's crafty enough to know exactly what to say to keep his supporters in line. In fact, he carried out this astute and illusive strategy while he campaigning during the last election. It's ironic that Trump has been compared to a criminal who conveniently found Jesus Christ and "was miraculously saved" shortly before his parole hearing.
Did you hear that Roger Stone "found Jesus" recently?

Story here: July 17, 2020 Charles Colson’s newfound faith was sincere; time will tell whether Roger Stone’s is | Commentary

I thought, maybe? Then a few days later, there was this story of him using a racial slur on the radio:

Story here: July 20, 2020 Charles Colson’s newfound faith was sincere; time will tell whether Roger Stone’s is | Commentary

This was an interesting interview too. First Stone says he forgives everyone who persecuted him. Then he calls them satanic.

 

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Did you hear that Roger Stone "found Jesus" recently?

Story here: July 17, 2020 Charles Colson’s newfound faith was sincere; time will tell whether Roger Stone’s is | Commentary

I thought, maybe? Then a few days later, there was this story of him using a racial slur on the radio:

Story here: July 20, 2020 Charles Colson’s newfound faith was sincere; time will tell whether Roger Stone’s is | Commentary

This was an interesting interview too. First Stone says he forgives everyone who persecuted him. Then he calls them satanic.


No, I didn't know about his alleged conversion.
 

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Did you hear that Roger Stone "found Jesus" recently?
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I thought, maybe? Then a few days later, there was this story of him using a racial slur on the radio:
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I'm not surprised. A new Christian doesn't start out PERFECT. And even some of those who have professed Christianity FOR YEARS are still far from even the first steps toward following Jesus, including some in this Forum!

Bobby Jo
 

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No, I didn't know about his alleged conversion.
Oh, I found quite interesting. I guess he "found Jesus" in January this year since that's when Franklin Graham was on tour in Florida.

April, 2020 Roger Stone: Praying for a Pardon With 'Full Faith in Jesus' | RealClearPolitics

Roger Stone: I had been raised a Roman Catholic and received all my sacraments in that church. I always had a fundamental belief in God, although it is certainly fair to say that I lived a pretty wild lifestyle and strayed from His path.

There were no thunderbolts from Heaven or sudden revelatory moments until one Saturday this past January. On that day, I had made arrangements to meet with Rev. Franklin Graham at his revival in South Florida. While I planned to solicit his support for a presidential pardon, he gave me something far more valuable.

Reverend Graham made it clear it was not his support that I needed. He said the answer to my plight was to invite Jesus Christ into my heart and my life because if I did so, he would protect me and never abandon me.

We prayed together for a few moments, and then I attended his revival, which had drawn well over 2,000 Christians.

Reverend Graham is a powerful speaker. There was the moment when he called upon those ready to change their life and be cleansed of their sins. We were asked to stand and take a simple pledge in which you acknowledge your sins, ask for forgiveness, and invite Christ into your life. I felt the need to stand with several hundred others and change my life. It was at that moment that I saw the clear path ahead. It was as if a cement block had been lifted from my chest, and I left the arena with a feeling of peace and relief.

He said he returned to the Catholic Church and was praying that Trump would pardon him.

MA: Are you praying for President Trump to grant you a pardon?

RS: Yes, but I repeat: My full faith is in Jesus.
 

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Oh, I found quite interesting. I guess he "found Jesus" in January this year since that's when Franklin Graham was on tour in Florida.

April, 2020 Roger Stone: Praying for a Pardon With 'Full Faith in Jesus' | RealClearPolitics

Roger Stone: I had been raised a Roman Catholic and received all my sacraments in that church. I always had a fundamental belief in God, although it is certainly fair to say that I lived a pretty wild lifestyle and strayed from His path.

There were no thunderbolts from Heaven or sudden revelatory moments until one Saturday this past January. On that day, I had made arrangements to meet with Rev. Franklin Graham at his revival in South Florida. While I planned to solicit his support for a presidential pardon, he gave me something far more valuable.

Reverend Graham made it clear it was not his support that I needed. He said the answer to my plight was to invite Jesus Christ into my heart and my life because if I did so, he would protect me and never abandon me.

We prayed together for a few moments, and then I attended his revival, which had drawn well over 2,000 Christians.

Reverend Graham is a powerful speaker. There was the moment when he called upon those ready to change their life and be cleansed of their sins. We were asked to stand and take a simple pledge in which you acknowledge your sins, ask for forgiveness, and invite Christ into your life. I felt the need to stand with several hundred others and change my life. It was at that moment that I saw the clear path ahead. It was as if a cement block had been lifted from my chest, and I left the arena with a feeling of peace and relief.

He said he returned to the Catholic Church and was praying that Trump would pardon him.

MA: Are you praying for President Trump to grant you a pardon?

RS: Yes, but I repeat: My full faith is in Jesus.

Maybe Roger Stone's confession of faith will turn out to be hogwash like it is with Trump. Trump has repeatedly demonstrated by his own behavior during the last five years that his confession of faith was a political stunt to hoodwink conservative evangelicals into supporting him. All we need to do to verify his deception is listen to him viciously disparaging his political opponents (or anyone else he despises) in his speeches for the last five years or simply spend some time reading through his Twitter feed since he was elected President. It isn't hard to prove that his confession of faith was nothing more than a political stunt to ensure that he gained the support, trust, and admiration of conservative evangelical Christians.
 
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"Compare to a criminal" versus "is a criminal". -- Seems a simple choice.

I'll pass on Biden.
Bobby Jo

Yet Another hate Trump, hate Trump supporters post with the same empty and made up allegations.
Yawn
 

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Maybe Roger Stone's confession of faith will turn out to be hogwash like it is with Trump. Trump has repeatedly demonstrated by his own behavior during the last five years that his confession of faith was a political stunt to hoodwink conservative evangelicals into supporting him. All we need to do to verify his deception is listen to him viciously disparaging his political opponents (or anyone else he despises) in his speeches for the last five years or simply spend some time reading through his Twitter feed since he was elected President. It isn't hard to prove that his confession of faith was nothing more than a political stunt to ensure that he gained the support, trust, and admiration of conservative evangelical Christians.
I think some people deceive themselves:

James 1:26 If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain.
 
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I think some people deceive themselves:

James 1:26 If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain.

That's true, Giuliano. Trump doesn't even bother to bridle his tongue. It's clear to see what's in his heart by what comes out of his mouth. Jesus said, "for out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks," and He said "for out of the heart come evil thoughts—murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, slander." Trump maliciously slanders other people and he sows seeds of discord and dissension. It is written in Galatians 5:19-21 that the works of the flesh are obvious and these works include hatred, discord, jealousy, envy, fits of rage, and dissensions.
 
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That's true, Giuliano. Trump doesn't even bother to bridle his tongue. It's clear to see what's in his heart by what comes out of his mouth. Jesus said, "for out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks," and He said "for out of the heart come evil thoughts—murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, slander." Trump maliciously slanders other people and he sows seeds of discord and dissension. It is written in Galatians 5:19-21 that the works of the flesh are obvious and these works include hatred, discord, jealousy, envy, fits of rage, and dissensions.
And I saw no evidence that Roger Stone's religion was for real, not when I heard how he talked in the interview and how he insulted the radio talks show host.

As for Trump? The flattering ministers who fail to reprove him in Christian charity for his own sake may have more to answer for on Judgment Day than he does. Sure, he picks them, but that still doesn't leave them off the hook.

Remember what Jesus told Pilate?

John 19:11 Jesus answered, Thou couldest have no power at all against me, except it were given thee from above: therefore he that delivered me unto thee hath the greater sin.
 
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A man's character is not determined by what he asserts.....it is determined by how he behaves. You can be assured that any habitual liar does not have the imprint of God's Spirit irrespective of any pious image projected. That, is a given!
 

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A man's character is not determined by what he asserts.....it is determined by how he behaves. You can be assured that any habitual liar does not have the imprint of God's Spirit irrespective of any pious image projected. That, is a given!

I agree, quietthinker. That is why I will never vote for Trump.

I reject the Trump prophecies and that he is, in any way, a christ anointed by God. For me, only Jesus, the Son of God, is the Christ, and the one to whom we have our hope and our salvation.

He is non-denominational in the deepest sense. He is a non-Christian.