Two Gatherings at Jesus' Coming

[David in NJ]

Any day now? I said it won't happen in the fall of winter, so any day now is not what I said.

I am referring to the popularity churches like Baptists , Pentecostal, non-denominational and the like who all were predicting "anyday now"

In your estimation, which of the 7 Feasts of Israel contains the pre-trib rapture in it?

It is OK to surmise

 

[The Light]

I am referring to the popularity churches like Baptists , Pentecostal, non-denominational and the like who all were predicting "anyday now"

In your estimation, which of the 7 Feasts of Israel contains the pre-trib rapture in it?

It is OK to surmise

Pentecost and Feast of New Wine, or Tu B'Av

 

[David in NJ]

Pentecost and Feast of New Wine, or Tu B'Av

Great
Would you elaborate how you see it in each one = again there is no judgment here as i am respecting you and seeking to know how you think on the 7 Feasts = i also have an estimation on one of them

 

[Randy Kluth]

The Day and Hour = "no man shall know"

What is KNOWN is that CHRIST only Comes a 2nd Time(Once More) = Gospel, Apostles, Hebrews 9:28 , 1 John chapters 1 thru 3 , Revelation, Genesis
and anyone who says other is deceived, puffed up with pride

Okay, I see what you mean. We certainly should know when we're close to the end, even if not the very day and hour.

However, I was just thinking about how Jesus warned his disciples not to be too concerned with the times and seasons. That can get in the way of our focus on ministry, which certainly requires time to get it done. Trying to figure out when the job is done is a bit counterproductive, don't you think?

 

[David in NJ]

Okay, I see what you mean. We certainly should know when we're close to the end, even if not the very day and hour.

However, I was just thinking about how Jesus warned his disciples not to be too concerned with the times and seasons. That can get in the way of our focus on ministry, which certainly requires time to get it done.

Big Thank You Randy

This has been in my heart since Christ saved me and i began studying Scripture - 1 Cor 1:10

Now I plead with you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.

Trying to figure out when the job is done is a bit counterproductive, don't you think?

If it were counterproductive we would not have been given the prophetic foreshadow of:
a.) Genesis/the Flood
b.) Genesis/Nimrod & Tower of Babel
c.) Job
d.) Daniel = all of Daniel
e.) Ezekiel ch28
f.) Zechariah chs 13 & 14
Followed by greater detail in
g.) Matthew ch24 and 25:1-13
h.) Last Supper/Judas/Cross
i.) VICTORY/RESURRECTION
j.) 1st & 2nd Thess
k.) 1 Cor ch15
l.) 1 John chapters 1 thru 3
m.) James ch5
n.) Jude
o.) Revelation

These all spell out for us the Guarantee of our Salvation beginning in Genesis, Guarantee Fulfilled = 1st Coming to Cross/Resurrection,
Tribulation upon the Saints, the 2nd Coming unto the Resurrection/rapture of the Saints = Christ delivers us from God's Wrath

 

[The Light]

Great
Would you elaborate how you see it in each one = again there is no judgment here as i am respecting you and seeking to know how you think on the 7 Feasts = i also have an estimation on one of them

I believe that Pentecost is when the dead in Christ will be raptured. It is the spring barley harvest.

The Feast of New Wine is not one of the 7 Feasts of the Lord. However, to many, it is the true Pentecost as contrary to popular belief, this is the day that the Holy Spirit was poured out on the Church.

Acts 2
2 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.

2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.

3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.

4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

5 And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.

6 Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.

7 And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans?

8 And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?

9 Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia,

10 Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes,

11 Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.

12 And they were all amazed, and were in doubt, saying one to another, What meaneth this?

13 Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine.

14 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:

15 For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day.

16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;

17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:

19 And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:

20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and notable day of the Lord come:

21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.

The Feast of New Wine happens at the end of summer.........the time of the wheat harvest. The alive that remain are raptured at the wheat harvest.........summer.

As for Tu B'Av, it is the taking of the Gentile bride so it certainly is a candidate for the alive that remain.

 

[David in NJ]

I believe that Pentecost is when the dead in Christ will be raptured. It is the spring barley harvest.

The Feast of New Wine is not one of the 7 Feasts of the Lord. However, to many, it is the true Pentecost as contrary to popular belief, this is the day that the Holy Spirit was poured out on the Church.

Acts 2
2 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.

2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.

3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.

4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

5 And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.

6 Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.

7 And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans?

8 And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?

9 Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia,

10 Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes,

11 Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.

12 And they were all amazed, and were in doubt, saying one to another, What meaneth this?

13 Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine.

14 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:

15 For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day.

16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;

17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:

19 And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:

20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and notable day of the Lord come:

21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.

The Feast of New Wine happens at the end of summer.........the time of the wheat harvest. The alive that remain are raptured at the wheat harvest.

As for Tu B'Av, it is the taking of the Gentile bride so it certainly is a candidate for the alive that remain.

David in NJ picks the Last Two FEASTs #6 & #7 = Yom Kippur and Sukkot/Feast of Tabernacles

Prior to Sukkot is Yom Kippur = when the sins of Israel are placed on the Goat = 1 John 2:18

Yom Kippur and Sukkot are only only 5 days apart from each other = Matt 24:22

The Goat is the Antichrist and he is destroyed at the Brightness of the Lord's Coming.
This is when satan/goat is sent away to prison/Rev 20:1-goat sent into the wilderness/satan is locked up

These last two Feasts are in Harmony with Matt ch24 Prophecy, 2 Thess ch2 , 1 John 2:18 to 3:1-3 , 1 Cor ch15 , Rev ch 19 & ch20

 

[marks]

you forgot an omportant verse;
Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days: ‘The sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.’

Mat 24:30 At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and all the tribes of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory.

Mat 24:31 And He will send out His angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather His elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.

Nothing is forgotten. I've studied this for decades. I don't always post the whole chapter, just what I'm highlighting.

This part,

Matthew 24:29-31 KJV
29) Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30) And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31) And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Matches with this,

Joel 3:1 KJV
For, behold, in those days, and in that time, when I shall bring again the captivity of Judah and Jerusalem,

And this,

Ezekiel 36:24-28 KJV
24) For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.
25) Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.
26) A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
27) And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
28) And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God.

And this,

Ezekiel 39:27-29 KJV
27) When I have brought them again from the people, and gathered them out of their enemies' lands, and am sanctified in them in the sight of many nations;
28) Then shall they know that I am the LORD their God, which caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen: but I have gathered them unto their own land, and have left none of them any more there.
29) Neither will I hide my face any more from them: for I have poured out my spirit upon the house of Israel, saith the Lord GOD.

And there are more, but this should suffice.

Much love!

 

[marks]

Okay, I see what you mean. We certainly should know when we're close to the end, even if not the very day and hour.

However, I was just thinking about how Jesus warned his disciples not to be too concerned with the times and seasons. That can get in the way of our focus on ministry, which certainly requires time to get it done. Trying to figure out when the job is done is a bit counterproductive, don't you think?

Exactly, because we don't actually know. Shall we spend our precious and few days all wrapped up in figuring out what Jesus said wasn't for us to know?

Better to maintain a focus on what I'm doing, and how I can be loving those around me.

Much love!

 

[marks]

@marks, your doctrine is convoluted and strange, quite different from what scripture actually says. You are making up stories, cleverly designed fables.

Strange and convoluted because you don't understand it. OK, Nevermind. I'd hoped for better from you. Based on reading your posts, I don't think you really understand my view. but you feel OK to claim I'm cleverly designing fables to deceive you all with, I guess.

Much love!

 

[marks]

"and anyone who says other is deceived, puffed up with pride"




It doesn't seem to me that you guys really think this stuff through.

Acts 23:11 KJV
And the night following the Lord stood by him, and said, Be of good cheer, Paul: for as thou hast testified of me in Jerusalem, so must thou bear witness also at Rome.

Don't expect that God is going to follow your rules. He comes once more to the world, in power and glory. That does not mean Jesus can't come to the earth to do what He wants when He wants. Including to rapture His church.

Much love, and hope for a real respect here for others. Not this endless demeaning, which testifies against your claims of faith. If there is anything I could impress upon you, its that your poor speech reveals you, not others. It shows the hardness of your heart.

I truly wish the best for you! I hope as always that you one day can hear this.

Much love!

 

[David in NJ]

Strange and convoluted because you don't understand it. OK, Nevermind. I'd hoped for better from you. Based on reading your posts, I don't think you really understand my view. but you feel OK to claim I'm cleverly designing fables to deceive you all with, I guess.

Much love!

The 1st Coming of CHRIST Proclaims/Declares/Dictates Tribulation from satan/the world upon the Body of Christ

A.) JESUS takes on Him our Punishment that was was executed by satan = Luke 24:7
saying, ‘The Son of Man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again.’ ”

B.) JESUS becomes the ARK as in Noahs Day = all who enter into CHRIST are Pre-Wrath Saints

C.) 2nd Coming of CHRIST Delievers us from His Wrath = 1 Thess 1:10 , 5:9

marks, all you have to do is post a single declaration of: "the Church will not suffer Tribulation or the Great Tribulation"

Which is IMPOSSIBLE for you or anyone to do because GOD Said the Saints will go thru the GT = Revelaltion

No twisting or turning with God = His Saints are His Elect , His Elect are His Bride , His Bride are His Church

SIN will separate and divide what God has Said = serpent speak

 

[Scott Downey]

Strange and convoluted because you don't understand it. OK, Nevermind. I'd hoped for better from you. Based on reading your posts, I don't think you really understand my view. but you feel OK to claim I'm cleverly designing fables to deceive you all with, I guess.

Much love!

I don't compromise on what I say and write. You will not hear anything like that from me, to just go along with whatever someone says.

 

[Jay Ross]

@marks, you have certainly spent much of your time in the scriptures, however, your claim that there are two gatherings at the time of Jesus' coming/second advent, is misplaced.

God said in Ezekiel that He will draw Israel to Himself and will plant them in his Fertile Soil and teach Israel the basics as embodied in the stone that comes down out of heaven in our near future. where they are presently living scattered throughout the whole earth.

Your understanding of loving your fellow brothers is in many ways lacking.

Your salvation experience is not the be all for everybody else.

You are right about Mat 24:29-31 which is in line with Isaiah 24:21-23 as to when Christ's only second advent will occur.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

"and anyone who says other is deceived, puffed up with pride"




It doesn't seem to me that you guys really think this stuff through.

Acts 23:11 KJV
And the night following the Lord stood by him, and said, Be of good cheer, Paul: for as thou hast testified of me in Jerusalem, so must thou bear witness also at Rome.

Don't expect that God is going to follow your rules. He comes once more to the world, in power and glory. That does not mean Jesus can't come to the earth to do what He wants when He wants. Including to rapture His church.

Much love, and hope for a real respect here for others. Not this endless demeaning, which testifies against your claims of faith. If there is anything I could impress upon you, its that your poor speech reveals you, not others. It shows the hardness of your heart.

Your holier than thou act isn't fooling me. Anyone who tells other Christians that they don't believe in scripture, as you often do, can't tell other people how they should talk or how they should behave. Take the log out of your own eye first before judging the behavior of others.

I truly wish the best for you! I hope as always that you one day can hear this.

I hope one day you can hear yourself and take your own advice.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I'm not sure why you feel the need to put others down, that's something for you to ask yourself.

You mean like you do when you tell others that they don't believe in scripture just because they don't interpret it the way you do?

You are not alone in this either!

Yes, you are right there with him.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I'll simply say, this is what Jesus prophesied. Either you believe Him or you don't.

You whine about others making things personal and then you tell someone that they don't believe Jesus unless they agree with your understanding of what He prophesied. The fact is that everyone here believes Jesus as they understand what He prophesied. No one here would claim that Jesus was ever wrong about anything, regardless of whether we always understand Him correctly or not. If I was childish like you, I would tell you that you don't believe Jesus because you misinterpret some of the things He said, but I'm not childish like you, so I won't tell you that.

 

[The Light]

David in NJ picks the Last Two FEASTs #6 & #7 = Yom Kippur and Sukkot/Feast of Tabernacles

Prior to Sukkot is Yom Kippur = when the sins of Israel are placed on the Goat = 1 John 2:18

Yom Kippur and Sukkot are only only 5 days apart from each other = Matt 24:22

The Goat is the Antichrist and he is destroyed at the Brightness of the Lord's Coming.
This is when satan/goat is sent away to prison/Rev 20:1-goat sent into the wilderness/satan is locked up

These last two Feasts are in Harmony with Matt ch24 Prophecy, 2 Thess ch2 , 1 John 2:18 to 3:1-3 , 1 Cor ch15 , Rev ch 19 & ch20

No sir. The Feast of Trumpets is in harmony with Matthew 24. It is the second rapture that occurs at the 6th seal as marked by the signs of the sun, moon and stars. This is the seed of the woman, the twelve tribes across the earth, that are raptured at the 6th seal. This is the harvest after the first fruits of 144,000 from the twelve tribes. That is why there is a great multitude in heaven in Revelation 7.......there is a harvest.....the fruit harvest.

Yom Kippur, the Day of Atonement, follows one year and a few days after the wrath of God which is the 7th seal. Christ comes at the end of the wrath of God for Armageddon. Then the Day of Atonement occurs. After that is the time of judgement and then the Feast of Tabernacles.

There are two raptures that occur before the Feast of Tabernacles.

 

[David in NJ]

No sir. The Feast of Trumpets is in harmony with Matthew 24. It is the second rapture that occurs at the 6th seal as marked by the signs of the sun, moon and stars. This is the seed of the woman, the twelve tribes across the earth, that are raptured at the 6th seal. This is the harvest after the first fruits of 144,000 from the twelve tribes. That is why there is a great multitude in heaven in Revelation 7.......there is a harvest.....the fruit harvest.

Yom Kippur, the Day of Atonement, follows one year and a few days after the wrath of God which is the 7th seal. Christ comes at the end of the wrath of God for Armageddon. Then the Day of Atonement occurs. After that is the time of judgement and then the Feast of Tabernacles.

There are two raptures that occur before the Feast of Tabernacles.

Light, my brother in Christ, question = When does the Resurrection of the Saints occur???

 

[David in NJ]

"and anyone who says other is deceived, puffed up with pride"




It doesn't seem to me that you guys really think this stuff through.

Acts 23:11 KJV
And the night following the Lord stood by him, and said, Be of good cheer, Paul: for as thou hast testified of me in Jerusalem, so must thou bear witness also at Rome.

Don't expect that God is going to follow your rules. He comes once more to the world, in power and glory. That does not mean Jesus can't come to the earth to do what He wants when He wants. Including to rapture His church.

Much love, and hope for a real respect here for others. Not this endless demeaning, which testifies against your claims of faith. If there is anything I could impress upon you, its that your poor speech reveals you, not others. It shows the hardness of your heart.

I truly wish the best for you! I hope as always that you one day can hear this.

Much love!

Brother marks,
the LORD Jesus Christ cannot do "what HE wants when HE wants" = where did you get that from???

the LORD Jesus Christ will only do the Will of His FATHER = John 6:35-40

And Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst.
But I said to you that you have seen Me and yet do not believe. All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will by no means cast out. For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me.
This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day.
And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day.”

FYI - those men/women who are "puffed up and full of pride" are those who think of themselves more highly then they should.
They are the "masters and doctorates of divinity" who are puffed up and have no fear of God when they add to God's words and also subtract from God's words.
There is great trembling awaiting for them = Proverbs 30:5-6

We, who love you, are praying that you will allow the words of Christ and the Apostles and the OT Prophets to have the HIGHEST priority in your heart whereby you dare not add to God's words what HE never said as well as dare not subtract from what HE did say.

When we obey His commandment we are set FREE from "every wind of doctrine of man"

SHALOM