Understanding 1 Peter 3:19

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Understanding 1 Peter 3:19 (Pertinent scriptures below)

Who are the "spirits in prison", in 1 Peter 3:19, and the "dead" in 1 Peter 4:6?

First, you must understand the word "spirits" (pneumasin in the Greek) in 1 Peter 3:19 and the use of this word as opposed to 'soul' (psyches in the Greek) which words some erroneously use interchangeably, but they are not interchangeable, which distorts or skews their understanding leading to their misunderstanding of this and related passages.

The spirit is NOT the soul ('psyches', singular, or 'psycheas', plural,) nor vice-versa since they can be divided (Hebrews 4:12). So if it's not the soul in 1 Peter 3:19, or relating to the dead, physical, body whose spirit has returned to God and body back to the earth from whence they came, what does this word mean, and who or what does it represent?

Some also say, as aforementioned, that the two words, spirit and soul, are used interchangeably in NT scriptures, but Peter, the writer of this, as well as 2 Peter, used BOTH words, and not one exclusively. See below, Peter 1 and Peter 2 scriptures. It's clear that the two words are NOT interchangeable and have different meanings which one can find by consulting the Greek dictionary.

Now then, after clarifying that 'spirit' and 'soul' are not the same thing, and looking again at 1 Peter 3:19, who or what are the "spirits in prison" since they cannot be the souls of dead humans, and what then is meant by this passage? That takes us to 2 Peter 2 starting at verse 4: there you'll see that the angels (spiritual beings who weren't nor are dead) were cast into hell, prison if you will, for their disobedience, bound in chains and reserved therein until the day of judgment. These misguided angels are the "spirits in prison".

Now concerning the "dead" in 1 Peter 4:6. Who are they if not dead souls in hell?

To understand this, you must understand the total context in which it's used in 1 Peter 4:3-6 and it's origin which can be found in Luke 9:60 and/or the corresponding parallel passage of Matthew 8:22. The dead referrered to are the living dead; those that are ungodly, nonbelievers, worldly, etc. Notice what the Lord tells this individual: to "let the dead bury their dead". So within that context of "dead", when you again look at 1 Peter 4:3-6, it's clear that the reference (dead) is to the Gentiles. The "Gentiles" in 1 Peter 4:3, is the "they" and "them" in 1 Peter 4:4 and likewise in verse 6. So yes, the gospel was in fact preached to the "dead" also, namely the Gentiles, so they too could/can be judged likewise or equally and on the same basis as others in the flesh, but are alive in the spirit, meaning, yet living through the power and breath of God who has quickened all with the same breath of life. And finally, why would anyone think that it could possibly make sense to preach to dead souls in hell, most of which are there because they squandered their opportunity while being alive to believe and obey the gospel of Christ, the saving grace and power which is found in the "good news". It's too late for them as scripture clearly infers or in most cases, blatantly states such as in the parable of the rich man and Lazarus in Luke 16. There are no second chances to be saved after death.


1 Peter 3:18-21

18For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: 19By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; 20Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water. 21The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

1 Peter 2:11

11Dearly beloved, I beseech you as strangers and pilgrims, abstain from fleshly lusts, which war against the soul;

1 Peter 1:22

22Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:

1 Peter 4:3-6

3For the time past of our life may suffice us to have wrought the will of the Gentiles, when we walked in lasciviousness, lusts, excess of wine, revellings, banquetings, and abominable idolatries: 4Wherein they think it strange that ye run not with them to the same excess of riot, speaking evil of you: 5Who shall give account to him that is ready to judge the quick and the dead. 6For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.

2 Peter 2:4-14

4For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; 5And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly; 6And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;
7And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked: 8(For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed his righteous soul from day to day with their unlawful deeds;) 9The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:
10But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities. 11Whereas angels, which are greater in power and might, bring not railing accusation against them before the Lord. 12But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption; 13And shall receive the reward of unrighteousness, as they that count it pleasure to riot in the day time. Spots they are and blemishes, sporting themselves with their own deceivings while they feast with you; 14Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:

Ephesians 4:8-10

8Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.
9(Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth? 10He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)

Luke 9:59-60

59And he said unto another, Follow me. But he said, Lord, suffer me first to go and bury my father. 60Jesus said unto him, Let the dead bury their dead: but go thou and preach the kingdom of God.
 

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The spirits in prison are the old testament saints that were in Abraham's bosom located in the upper regions of hell (see parable about the rich man and Lazarus)

Abraham's bosom was a temporary place that saved old testament saints went to until the new birth became available which was when Jesus Christ was raised from the dead for our justification

Matthew 27:51-53 tells us what happened right after Jesus Christ died: "Then, behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom; and the earth quaked, and the rocks were split, and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised; and coming out of the graves after His resurrection, they went into the holy city and appeared to many."

To some this appears to support soul sleep but it does not because these people's bodies were in the ground... but they themselves where in Abraham's bosom (see parable about the rich man and Lazarus).

Today when a Christian dies... their body goes in the dirt but they themselves go to be in the presence of the Lord in Heaven since they have been born again (to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord - 2 Corinthians 5:8)

The OT saints could not go be in the presence of the Lord until they were able to be born again, even though they were considered to be saved and righteous by God... which is why they went to Abraham's bosom where Lazarus went instead of in to hell itself where the rich man went as spoken of in the parable of the rich man and Lazarus.

John 1:18 tells us "No man hath seen God at any time" which was true up until the new birth became available when Jesus was raised for our justification. After that, those that are born again to to be with the Lord in Heaven when they die (2 Corinthians 5:8)
 
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The spirits in prison are the old testament saints that were in Abraham's bosom located in the upper regions of hell (see parable about the rich man and Lazarus)

Abraham's bosom was a temporary place that saved old testament saints went to until the new birth became available which was when Jesus Christ was raised from the dead for our justification

Matthew 27:51-53 tells us what happened right after Jesus Christ died: "Then, behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom; and the earth quaked, and the rocks were split, and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised; and coming out of the graves after His resurrection, they went into the holy city and appeared to many."

To some this appears to support soul sleep but it does not because these people's bodies were in the ground... but they themselves where in Abraham's bosom (see parable about the rich man and Lazarus).

Today when a Christian dies... their body goes in the dirt but they themselves go to be in the presence of the Lord in Heaven since they have been born again (to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord - 2 Corinthians 5:8)

The OT saints could not go be in the presence of the Lord until they were able to be born again, even though they were considered to be saved and righteous by God... which is why they went to Abraham's bosom where Lazarus went instead of in to hell itself where the rich man went as spoken of in the parable of the rich man and Lazarus.

John 1:18 tells us "No man hath seen God at any time" which was true up until the new birth became available when Jesus was raised for our justification. After that, those that are born again to to be with the Lord in Heaven when they die (2 Corinthians 5:8)
Can't be the old testament saints
As I explained, the spirit is not the same as the soul and returns to God who gave it. It would have to have said souls in prison not spirits in prison for your statement to have any validity.

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the spirit is not the same as the soul

The spirit is inside the soul... it's what causes the soul of man to live forever. Man was created in God's image... God lives forever, and so does man... but for man, it's a question of WHERE will man be spending eternity.

Animals all have a soul... but they don't have an eternal spirit in their soul therefore when they die they cease to exist.

When man dies, he is conscience, awake, and aware because he has an eternal soul... it's eternal because there is an eternal spirit that it the life force of the soul.

The only other spirits in hell were evil spirits who have been chained there by the Lord and there's no need to preach to them because there is no salvation for angles.

Jesus was preaching to those that needed to be born again so they could go on in to the presence of God.
 

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The spirit is inside the soul... it's what causes the soul of man to live forever. Man was created in God's image... God lives forever, and so does man... but for man, it's a question of WHERE will man be spending eternity.

Animals all have a soul... but they don't have an eternal spirit in their soul therefore when they die they cease to exist.

When man dies, he is conscience, awake, and aware because he has an eternal soul... it's eternal because there is an eternal spirit that it the life force of the soul.

The only other spirits in hell were evil spirits who have been chained there by the Lord and there's no need to preach to them because there is no salvation for angles.

Jesus was preaching to those that needed to be born again so they could go on in to the presence of God.
These are your thoughts not supported by scripture. Nowhere do scriptures say the spirit is inside the soul. The spirit returns to God who gave it. He doesn't give out or distribute souls to anyone; you BECOME a living soul, and similarly upon your death, you become a dead soul. Look up the two Greek words for soul and spirit and their respective definitions. What's in hell is not your spirit, but rather your soul since the spirit returns to God.
 

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These are your thoughts not supported by scripture. Nowhere do scriptures say the spirit is inside the soul.


1 Thessalonians 5:23
And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.


This is the proper order according to God's Word... spirit, soul, and body
 

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The spirit returns to God who gave it.

Unless it's a person that rejected God and went to hell... in that case the spirit returns to God's absolute authority in which the Lord casts them in to hell.


upon your death, you become a dead soul

Dead souls are the people who go to hell and are separated from God.

They are alive, conscience, and aware.... but dead in the sense that they are separated from the life of the Lord.

Soul sleep is false doctrine and is not supported by scripture

God created man in His own image... God is a 3 part being and so are we.

The gifts and callings of God are without repentance

Romans 11:29
For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.


Mankind will always be spirit, soul, body.

Some go to Heave, most go to hell (Matthew 7:14)
 

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Unless it's a person that rejected God and went to hell... in that case the spirit returns to God's absolute authority in which the Lord casts them in to hell.




Dead souls are the people who go to hell and are separated from God.

They are alive, conscience, and aware.... but dead in the sense that they are separated from the life of the Lord.

Soul sleep is false doctrine and is not supported by scripture

God created man in His own image... God is a 3 part being and so are we.

The gifts and callings of God are without repentance

Romans 11:29
For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.


Mankind will always be spirit, soul, body.

Some go to Heave, most go to hell (Matthew 7:14)
Ecclesiastes 12:7
Unless it's a person that rejected God and went to hell... in that case the spirit returns to God's absolute authority in which the Lord casts them in to hell.




Dead souls are the people who go to hell and are separated from God.

They are alive, conscience, and aware.... but dead in the sense that they are separated from the life of the Lord.

Soul sleep is false doctrine and is not supported by scripture

God created man in His own image... God is a 3 part being and so are we.

The gifts and callings of God are without repentance

Romans 11:29
For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.


Mankind will always be spirit, soul, body.

Some go to Heave, most go to hell (Matthew 7:14)
Ecclesiastes 12:7

7Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
 

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Ecclesiastes 12:7

7Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.


So you think universalism is true? That all people to to heaven?

Jesus taught that many will go to hell, so unless Jesus is lying then Ecclesiastes 12:7 means when we die we are no longer living by our own free will and instead we are under the absolutely authority of God and He decides what happens as out free will has ended since we have left earth which is where God created man to live and have dominion in.

The gifts and callings of God are without repentance

Romans 11:29
For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

Mankind will always be spirit, soul, body..... the Lord is not separating part of man and moving them around.

One needs to read Ecclesiastes 12:7 in light of the rest of God's Word.
 

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So you think universalism is true? That all people to to heaven?

Jesus taught that many will go to hell, so unless Jesus is lying then Ecclesiastes 12:7 means when we die we are no longer living by our own free will and instead we are under the absolutely authority of God and He decides what happens as out free will has ended since we have left earth which is where God created man to live and have dominion in.

The gifts and callings of God are without repentance

Romans 11:29
For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

Mankind will always be spirit, soul, body..... the Lord is not separating part of man and moving them around.

One needs to read Ecclesiastes 12:7 in light of the rest of God's Word.
What does the false doctrine of universalism have to do with it? Absolutely not. The bible is very clear that all aren't saved, but rather "few there be that find it".
 

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What does the false doctrine of universalism have to do with it? Absolutely not. The bible is very clear that all aren't saved, but rather "few there be that find it".

But you were saying all spirits return back to the Lord... that is what universalism teaches and Ecclesiastes 12:7 is one of the proof texts that they use.
 

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But you were saying all spirits return back to the Lord... that is what universalism teaches and Ecclesiastes 12:7 is one of the proof texts that they use.
The spirit is the breath of life. Pneuma is breath in Greek. God breathed the breath of life into Adam and he became a living soul.

Gen 2:7

7And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
 

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The spirit is the breath of life. Pneuma is breath in Greek. God breathed the breath of life into Adam and he became a living soul.

And that was where Adam got his spirit from... the Lord and it is everlasting so Adam will be a living soul for all eternity as we all will be.. Animals did not get a spirit, so when they dies they cease to exist.

That's not how it is with man. God created man in God's Own Image... God lives forever and so do we.

The gifts and callings of God are without repentance

Romans 11:29
For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.


Mankind will always be spirit, soul, body..... the Lord is not separating part of man and moving them around.
 

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And that was where Adam got his spirit from... the Lord and it is everlasting so Adam will be a living soul for all eternity as we all will be.. Animals did not get a spirit, so when they dies they cease to exist.

That's not how it is with man. God created man in God's Own Image... God lives forever and so do we.

The gifts and callings of God are without repentance

Romans 11:29
For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.


Mankind will always be spirit, soul, body..... the Lord is not separating part of man and moving them around.
No scriptural support for that. Body back to the ground. Spirit back to God. The soul is left which then has 2 alternatives. Heaven or hell.
 

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Body back to the ground.

No, our body will be resurrected and we will see it glorified as we are re-united with our body.
Those that go to hell will be reunited with their body too.

If our spirit literally goes back to God and we have no more spirit... this means we don't live forever.

Our spirit goes back under God's authority where He decides out fate once we die... it doesn't mean we lose our spirit.

If we did, then God lied in Romans 11:29
 

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No, our body will be resurrected and we will see it glorified as we are re-united with our body.
Those that go to hell will be reunited with their body too.

If our spirit literally goes back to God and we have no more spirit... this means we don't live forever.

Our spirit goes back under God's authority where He decides out fate once we die... it doesn't mean we lose our spirit.

If we did, then God lied in Romans 11:29
Your body eventually rots away and returns to the dust that it came from. Has nothing to do with resurrection of it. I'm sure God has the ability to put the pieces back together o matter how minute.

Look, that's what the scriptures say. If you don't accept it, that's your business.
 

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My body will be resurrected and glorified because I'm a joint heir with Christ Jesus... He got a glorified body and I will be getting the same and since I am a spirit that possess a soul and lives in a body... I'll be that way for eternity!

God created me in His Own Image... Spirit, soul, and body

If you don't want to be a joint heir with Christ Jesus you don't have to. See ya!
 

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Everyone is so busy giving their two cents worth that you completely forgot the most relevant verse. I would like for you folks to discuss which truly went to heaven after death, the body, soul, or the spirit?

2 Corinthians 5:8 reads:

"We are confident, [I say], and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord."

To God Be The glory