Understanding MPD/DID & SRA/MK

[St. SteVen]

The Hebrew word translated "bruise" is this:

Hebrew: שׁוּף
Transliteration: shûph
Pronunciation: shoof
Definition: A primitive root; properly to {gape} that {is} snap at; figuratively to overwhelm: - {break} {bruise} cover.
KJV Usage: bruise (2x), break (1x), cover (1x).
Occurs: 4
In verses: 3

As I understand it, and I'm no expert, in Hebrew poetry ideas are "rhymed" rather than word sounds.
So, "bruise" is used in both instances to make it poetic in the Hebrew sense. We are left to understand that
the "bruise" to the head was fatal, whereas the bruise to the heel was not. IMHO

To help us understand, the Bible translators used "crush" for the head and kept bruised for the heel.

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[TLHKAJ]

As I understand it, and I'm no expert, in Hebrew poetry ideas are "rhymed" rather than word sounds.
So, "bruise" is used in both instances to make it poetic in the Hebrew sense. We are left to understand that
the "bruise" to the head was fatal, whereas the bruise to the heel was not. IMHO

To help us understand, the Bible translators used "crush" for the head and kept bruised for the heel.

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And yet, the actual definition of the word doesn't give a meaning of "crushed" and it's the same exact work used in both instances. We can't get a true understanding without knowing the original meaning. Now, it would have been relevant to use the word "break" because that is part of the definition.

 

[St. SteVen]

And yet, the actual definition of the word doesn't give a meaning of "crushed" and it's the same exact work used in both instances. We can't get a true understanding without knowing the original meaning. Now, it would have been relevant to use the word "break" because that is part of the definition.

That's my point. It wouldn't be Hebrew poetry if it was two different words.
A word-for-word translation does a terrible job of communicating the original intent. (meaning)
We can even see this in common Spanish translation to English.

Que hora es? = What time is it? in English. (the meaning)
But the word-for-word translation in English would be: "What hour is?"
What hour is what?, we might ask. Since the translation is bad.

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[TLHKAJ]

A word-for-word translation does a terrible job of communicating the original intent. (meaning)
We can even see this in common Spanish translation to English.

Since all scripture is inspired and authored by Holy Spirit, I'll go with what He actually said rather than assuming what I think He said. No offense intended.

 

[St. SteVen]

Since all scripture is inspired and authored by Holy Spirit, I'll go with what He actually said rather than assuming what I think He said. No offense intended.

None taken.
How do you know what was actually said?
And if you could actually read it, would you understand it?

Sorry to say that we lost the originals. Oops. Oh well...
Welcome to the wonderful, and not so wonderful, world of Bible translation.
Which method do you prefer?

Majority Text vs. Critical Text vs. Textus Receptus – Textual Criticism 101​

Majority Text vs. Critical Text vs. Textus Receptus - Textual Criticism 101 - Berean Patriot

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[TLHKAJ]

How do you know what was actually said?
And if you could actually read it, would you understand it?

Taking the definitions of words from their original language....

 

[St. SteVen]

Taking the definitions of words from their original language....

Good luck with that.

And enmity I will put Between you the woman and between your seed and her Seed He shall bruise your head and you shall bruise His heel

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[St. SteVen]

Since all scripture is inspired and authored by Holy Spirit...

We have a biblical "proof-text" to support that idea, but actual history brings it into question.

1) What did the term "all scripture" mean when that statement was written?

2) How did the Bible come into existence?

3) Did you know that the NT books were voted in?
The book of James barely made the cut.

Here's an interesting comparative in reference to the Gospel accounts.
Imagine if nothing had been written about the 9/11 disaster until 30 years after it happened.
That would make the first written report due to come out in the year 2030. Seven years from now.

Apologies, I'm getting us off topic.

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[St. SteVen]

@TLHKAJ

It might be helpful to have some direction about HOW/WHAT to pray for victims and survivors.
Either here or in a new topic in the PRAYER section? (with link to this topic) If here. it would be buried on page 137.
(hard to find)

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[TLHKAJ]

We have a biblical "proof-text" to support that idea, but actual history brings it into question.

1) What did the term "all scripture" mean when that statement was written?

2) How did the Bible come into existence?

3) Did you know that the NT books were voted in?
The book of James barely made the cut.

Here's an interesting comparative in reference to the Gospel accounts.
Imagine if nothing had been written about the 9/11 disaster until 30 years after it happened.
That would make the first written report due to come out in the year 2030. Seven years from now.

Apologies, I'm getting us off topic.

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I honestly don't care if books "barely made it" into the Bible. I have had Holy Spirit bring both Old and New Testament scripture back to memory when I needed it. He taught me to pray the scriptures, and at times, He has audibly spoken things to me straight out of scripture. That's all I need .....verification from the Author Himself.

Okay, back on topic.

 

[St. SteVen]

@TLHKAJ

It might be helpful to have some direction about HOW/WHAT to pray for victims and survivors.
Either here or in a new topic in the PRAYER section? (with link to this topic) If here. it would be buried on page 137.
(hard to find)

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Don't overlook this.

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[TLHKAJ]

SRA (satanic ritual abuse) in the Bible

 

[TLHKAJ]

Don't overlook this.

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I was in process of writing a reply to you and my whole browser closed out and my message that I was typing is deleted. I'll try again.

 

[TLHKAJ]

@TLHKAJ

It might be helpful to have some direction about HOW/WHAT to pray for victims and survivors.
Either here or in a new topic in the PRAYER section? (with link to this topic) If here. it would be buried on page 137.
(hard to find)

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The reason I post things here rather than in other areas of the forum is because most who call themselves Christian don't want to know or see or recognize that SRA is actually happening right under their noses. I feel like I'm not even part of the group that claims to be Christian. There is such a coldness and a lack of the desire for truth, rooted in God's Word. It grieves my heart to see people omitting whole books of the Bible because they don't like what it says. The ones who have a heart to hear and compassion to pray for victims and survivors of SRA/MK will come here and see the posts. And other survivors read ....many of whom may never comment or even become a member of this site.

I have posted things (prayer requests) in other parts of the forum before. My posts get ignored .... 99.99999% of Christians (so-called) just don't care.

Matthew 24:12
[12]And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.

 

[TLHKAJ]

@Nancy ...God bless you.

 

[Nancy]

@Nancy ...God bless you.

 

[TLHKAJ]

****STRONG TRIGGERS****

This is for awareness. Most of us survivors can relate to the experiences she shares. She is far from healed or free and she needs Jesus. Please pray for her salvation.

Our programmers and most of our handlers identified with being a perpetrator ...they own it and love it because they have given themselves to it .. their father, satan. Others, like myself, like Katy Groves, Fiona Barnett, and many many other survivors who are speaking out, exposing, and fighting for freedom ...perpetrating wasn't who we were and it didn't fit with our true heart identity although they tried to impose that identity onto us. Thus, the intense pain and brokenness.

She speaks of going to the authorities to report images on child pornography that her parents had involving her and being victimized by cops and reprogrammed in retaliation.

@Nancy back in 2013, I personally witnessed the covering up they do of child porn. I had run with my children in effort to find a place of safety. I began attending a church and Bible study, and befriended a woman who was very disturbed to discover child porn on a computer of someone she grew up with. She tried to tell people only to be attacked for it. She came to me ....and after some time, I learned that some of my own children had seen those images. :'( They were afraid to tell me. This was a man who was allowed to be in close contact with children as a 'youth minister"!! And unknowingly to me, before we arrived there, this man was caught trying to set up a meeting with a girl for sex.

I took the report I was given by my friend who eyewitnessed the child porn on his computer and reported it to the helpline of a so-called human trafficking awareness organization .....Advocates For Freedom .....and although they promised they would look into it, they did ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!!!! That man was never exposed and still to this day is in contact with children!!

And that is MY personal experience with how the system can pose as "advocates" and "christians" to cover their INVOLVEMENT in child trafficking. :'(

 

[TLHKAJ]

You are a true blessing, sister @Nancy

 

[TLHKAJ]

@amadeus ...thank you for taking the time to acknowledge my post. I just submitted an edit on that post to share my personal experience with cult cover-ups of child trafficking ...in case you'd like to read it.
Bless you

 

[amadeus]

@amadeus ...thank you for taking the time to acknowledge my post. I just submitted an edit on that post to share my personal experience with cult cover-ups of child trafficking ...in case you'd like to read it.
Bless you

Thank you for sharing dear sister in Christ. I read your edited update. Our natural world has always had too many bad places. Is it possible that it has grown worse. It certainly seems so to me. I miss going to a good BIble preaching/teaching church. I have not been able to drive for nearly a year now, but I have a granddaughter [ age 23] who attends a physical church sporadically. She has offered to take me with her. I am hoping it will be a good experience. So many so-called churches miss the mark by a whole lot. Hopefully next Sunday.