Was Jesus Really Forsaken Upon The Cross?

[veteran]

Did our Heavenly Father really forsake our Lord Jesus upon the cross?


It would appear that's exactly... what some want us to think. Here's what our Lord Jesus said while suffering upon the cross...

Matt 27:46
46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, "Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?" that is to say, My God, My God, why hast Thou forsaken Me?
(KJV)

Ps 22:1-24
1 My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? why art thou so far from helping me, and from the words of my roaring?

Do you notice something similar about those two above verses? You should, since one of them is from Psalms 22:1 back in the Old Testament.


The Psalms 22 chapter was prophecy given through king David about Christ's future crucifixion. Ever read it? How often do preachers today mention that our Lord Jesus was QUOTING from Psalms 22 while upon the cross? Sometimes, always, never?

Our Lord Jesus was TEACHING, even while suffering upon the cross, and for those who saw His crucifixion and that 'knew' the Psalms 22 Scripture, Christ being crucified was proof to them that He is The Son of God, the prophesied Messiah per the Old Testament prophets. That's the REAL lesson of "My God, My God, why hast Thou forsaken Me?" Our Lord Jesus said it in Aramaic.


So don't you get tired of the false prophets that LOVE... to try and show that The Father forsook His Son upon the cross? Some push that out of mere ignorance, but not others. Others who hate God love to plant the seed of a lie among our brethren, to try and deceive us.


This is David given to write...

Psalms 22:2 O my God, I cry in the daytime, but Thou hearest not; and in the night season, and am not silent.
3 But Thou art holy, O Thou That inhabitest the praises of Israel.
4 Our fathers trusted in Thee: they trusted, and Thou didst deliver them.
5 They cried unto Thee, and were delivered: they trusted in Thee, and were not confounded.
6 But I am a worm, and no man; a reproach of men, and despised of the people.
7 All they that see me laugh me to scorn: they shoot out the lip, they shake the head, saying,
8 "He trusted on the LORD that He would deliver him: let Him deliver him, seeing He delighted in him."
9 But Thou art He That took me out of the womb: Thou didst make me hope when I was upon my mother's breasts.
10 I was cast upon Thee from the womb: Thou art my God from my mother's belly.
11 Be not far from me; for trouble is near; for there is none to help.
12 Many bulls have compassed me: strong bulls of Bashan have beset me round.
13 They gaped upon me with their mouths, as a ravening and a roaring lion.
14 I am poured out like water, and all my bones are out of joint: my heart is like wax; it is melted in the midst of my bowels.
15 My strength is dried up like a potsherd; and my tongue cleaveth to my jaws; and Thou hast brought me into the dust of death.
16 For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet.
17 I may tell all my bones: they look and stare upon me.
18 They part my garments among them, and cast lots upon my vesture.
19 But be not Thou far from me, O LORD: O my strength, haste Thee to help me.
20 Deliver my soul from the sword; my darling from the power of the dog.
21 Save me from the lion's mouth: for Thou hast heard me from the horns of the unicorns.
22 I will declare Thy name unto my brethren: in the midst of the congregation will I praise Thee.
23 Ye that fear the LORD, praise Him; all ye the seed of Jacob, glorify Him; and fear Him, all ye the seed of Israel.
24 For He hath not despised nor abhorred the affliction of the afflicted; neither hath He hid His face from him; but when he cried unto Him, He heard.
(KJV)

Note the 24th verse above. When our Lord Jesus upon the cross cried to The Father, He heard.

 

[Netchaplain]

Isa 50:6 is also a good companion verse! "I gave My back to those who struck Me, And My cheeks to those who plucked out the beard; I did not hide My face from shame and spitting.

Love You Brother

 

[Webers_Home]

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Christ endured a lot more than just having his own Father turn his back on
him: he also endure a savage beating at His hands.

There were three hours of inky darkness during the Lord's crucifixion. What
do you suppose went on in there? Well; I'll tell you what went on. God
brutally thrashed the stuffings out of His own son— with extreme prejudice.

†. Isa 52:14-15 . . there were many who were appalled at him— his
appearance was so disfigured beyond that of any man and his form marred
beyond human likeness —thus will he sprinkle many nations

The Romans whipped the Lord to within an inch of his life, slapped him
around, crowned him with thorns, and drove nails into his palms and his
feet. But that was child's play compared to his Father's handiwork. By the
time those hours of darkness lifted; the Lord's own mother would have
trouble recognizing him.

†. Luke 23:48 . .When all the people who had gathered to witness this sight
saw what took place, they beat their breasts and went away.

Yes, of course they beat their breasts; you know why? Because they were
having trouble catching their breath. The extent of that man's injuries were
so horrific that they could scarcely tell he was the same man.

If the Bible's God would do that to His own kin, think what He has in store
for outsiders who poo-poo the importance of what took place there that day.

†. Heb 10:29-30 . .Think how much more terrible the punishment will be for
those who have trampled on the Son of God and have treated the blood of
the covenant as if it were common and unholy. Such people have insulted
and enraged the Holy Spirit who brings God's mercy to his people. For we
know the one who said: I will take vengeance. I will repay those who
deserve it.

I suspect that by the time some people's day in court is completed at the
Great White Throne depicted at Rev 20:11-15 they will look as though they
were dragged through a field of concertina wire and dropped into a cotton
gin.

FAQ : But, did the walker on water, the controller of weather, mender of
paralysis and withered limbs, maker of wine from water; and raiser of the
dead; feel any pain?

†. Isa 53:10 . . It was Yhvh's will to crush him and cause him to suffer
(some versions say: put him to grief)

I should think that the word "suffer" says it all.

†. Acts 1:3 . . He showed himself alive after his passion by many infallible
proofs

The Greek word for "passion" is pascho (pas'-kho) which means: to
experience a sensation or impression (usually painful)

The below is only a portion of his desperate plea.

†. Mtt 27:46 . . My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

Here it is again with some parts that were missing.

†. Ps 22:1 . . My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? Why art thou so
far from helping me, and from the words of my roaring?

The Hebrew word for "roaring" is sheagah (sheh-aw-gaw') which means: a
rumbling or moan.

In other words: people standing around the cross that day during those
three hours of inky dark couldn't see anything, but they could sure hear;
and what they heard were the dreadful cries of a man in extreme discomfort.

Cliff
/

 

[veteran]

The more brethren concentrate on our Lord's sufferings on the cross, the more they miss that He was actually teaching while upon the cross by quoting those 'why hast Thou forsaken Me' words from Psalms 22.

And The Father most definitely did NOT... kill His Son upon the cross. Christ's crucifixion was by the hand of the devil and his children. The Father knew it would come pass, and used it to defeat 'death' and the devil. Hasn't anyone ever read Hebrews 2 about that?

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

I don't understand what your point is. God said he would desolate Jerusalem, and used the Romans to do it. He placed the sin of mankind on his perfect son, and his anger burned against him until he was dead, using the Romans as his hands.

 

[Episkopos]

Jesus on the cross was speaking for Israel ...not Himself....whom He was seeking to redeem.

 

[veteran]

I don't understand what your point is. God said he would desolate Jerusalem, and used the Romans to do it. He placed the sin of mankind on his perfect son, and his anger burned against him until he was dead, using the Romans as his hands.

Who's anger burned against Christ did you say?

Do you believe The Father was responsible for killing His Own Son upon the cross? I certainly do not.


Heb 2:14-18
14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;
15 And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.
16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.
17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.
18 For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.
(KJV)

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Who's anger burned against Christ did you say?
Do you believe The Father was responsible for killing His Own Son upon the cross? I certainly do not.

The Romans' were the agents, but it was the father's will. The father's anger burned against Christ because he became sin.

For he hath made him [to be] sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him. 2 Corinthians 5:21​

Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put [him] to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see [his] seed, he shall prolong [his] days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand. He shall see of the travail of his soul, [and] shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities. Isaiah 53:10-11​

 

[veteran]

The Romans' were the agents, but it was the father's will. The father's anger burned against Christ because he became sin.

For he hath made him [to be] sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him. 2 Corinthians 5:21​

Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put [him] to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see [his] seed, he shall prolong [his] days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand. He shall see of the travail of his soul, [and] shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities. Isaiah 53:10-11​

Oh, you mean in the 'absolute' sense God did it?

Yet we know who was really responsible for having Christ crucified, don't we? We cannot blame the Romans just because they helped carry it out.

But we CAN... blame those who Jesus blamed for al the blood shed upon earth, all the way back to righteous Abel. Who might that be?

The Devil, and his servants. That's who I was talking about, the ones immediately responsible, not only for Christ's crucifixiion, but also for the cause of bringing 'death' period (the devil when he first sinned before anyone else did).

 

[xBluxTunicx82]

.
Christ endured a lot more than just having his own Father turn his back on
him: he also endure a savage beating at His hands.

There were three hours of inky darkness during the Lord's crucifixion. What
do you suppose went on in there? Well; I'll tell you what went on. God
brutally thrashed the stuffings out of His own son— with extreme prejudice.

†. Isa 52:14-15 . . there were many who were appalled at him— his
appearance was so disfigured beyond that of any man and his form marred
beyond human likeness —thus will he sprinkle many nations

The Romans whipped the Lord to within an inch of his life, slapped him
around, crowned him with thorns, and drove nails into his palms and his
feet. But that was child's play compared to his Father's handiwork. By the
time those hours of darkness lifted; the Lord's own mother would have
trouble recognizing him.

†. Luke 23:48 . .When all the people who had gathered to witness this sight
saw what took place, they beat their breasts and went away.

Yes, of course they beat their breasts; you know why? Because they were
having trouble catching their breath. The extent of that man's injuries were
so horrific that they could scarcely tell he was the same man.

If the Bible's God would do that to His own kin, think what He has in store
for outsiders who poo-poo the importance of what took place there that day.

†. Heb 10:29-30 . .Think how much more terrible the punishment will be for
those who have trampled on the Son of God and have treated the blood of
the covenant as if it were common and unholy. Such people have insulted
and enraged the Holy Spirit who brings God's mercy to his people. For we
know the one who said: I will take vengeance. I will repay those who
deserve it.

I suspect that by the time some people's day in court is completed at the
Great White Throne depicted at Rev 20:11-15 they will look as though they
were dragged through a field of concertina wire and dropped into a cotton
gin.

FAQ : But, did the walker on water, the controller of weather, mender of
paralysis and withered limbs, maker of wine from water; and raiser of the
dead; feel any pain?

†. Isa 53:10 . . It was Yhvh's will to crush him and cause him to suffer
(some versions say: put him to grief)

I should think that the word "suffer" says it all.

†. Acts 1:3 . . He showed himself alive after his passion by many infallible
proofs

The Greek word for "passion" is pascho (pas'-kho) which means: to
experience a sensation or impression (usually painful)

The below is only a portion of his desperate plea.

†. Mtt 27:46 . . My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

Here it is again with some parts that were missing.

†. Ps 22:1 . . My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? Why art thou so
far from helping me, and from the words of my roaring?

The Hebrew word for "roaring" is sheagah (sheh-aw-gaw') which means: a
rumbling or moan.

In other words: people standing around the cross that day during those
three hours of inky dark couldn't see anything, but they could sure hear;
and what they heard were the dreadful cries of a man in extreme discomfort.

Cliff
/

God is the Father of ALL THINGS
Christ IS the Father, manifest in the flesh.
Christ died so that in the end, His bride-elect Israel/Jacob, could remarry the 'groom'. He is that groom, and He died because He loved His bride so much, that no matter how adulterous she had been by whoring after other gods, He still wanted to have her back in the end.

Oh, you mean in the 'absolute' sense God did it?

Yet we know who was really responsible for having Christ crucified, don't we? We cannot blame the Romans just because they helped carry it out.

But we CAN... blame those who Jesus blamed for al the blood shed upon earth, all the way back to righteous Abel. Who might that be?

The Devil, and his servants. That's who I was talking about, the ones immediately responsible, not only for Christ's crucifixiion, but also for the cause of bringing 'death' period (the devil when he first sinned before anyone else did).

Jesus was speaking to the Idumean and Kenite/Canaanite Pharisees. He wasn't speaking of man in general. These were the descendents of Cain and Esau, the two most despicable people in scripture! King Herod was an Edomite/Idumean, look at his actions to see where the heart of these people lie.

By speaking to this 'den of vipers' He was telling a group of people, an entire race that was spawned by Lucifer in Eden, that they were of their 'father', not 'Father' in reference to God.

 

[MPC]

The opinion of some regarding Christ being forsaken is due to the imputation of our sin to Christ. When He took it all, He suffered separation from the Father as surely as Adam did in the garden. It took only one act of disobedience from the first man, for God to declare him spiritually dead; and the connection between man and God was severed until we are born anew in Christ. So God in His Holiness had to withdraw His connection with the Son, during not an act of disobedience; but still Christ became sin which the Father could not be defiled by, and have no part in.​

In that hour it's considered to be the worst punishment of all endured by Jesus. The perfect unity within the trinity, separated for the first time in existence. This is why there is so much emphasis applied to Christs anxiety to the point of sweating blood in the Garden of Gethsemane. To think the Chief of our salvation was afraid to die a mortal death, and was distressed to such a high magnitude, when his disciples went willingly to be martyrs singing hymns and preaching the Gospel, considering it an honor to die for The Way.​

For Christ to ask that the cup be taken from Him was not the response of a coward, for would not his love overpower any fear of death? I strongly believe His asking of another way was the correct response to give in light of knowing that He would have to be separated from the Father, and to me that outweighs an infinite amount of torture and mortal deaths.So for me personally the only thing Christ could truly fear, and that would cause Him to call out in shock upon that cross when the full realization of the separation was conceived, was a connection that had always been, had now been broken. A perfect relational unity with the Father was no more. The fact that He responded quoting scripture does not make the statement applied within that moment any less valid.

If He has suffered the just punishment for sin in our stead, should the payment not be the same as all who carry sin, the wrath of God and the separation from Him?​

 

[veteran]

The opinion of some regarding Christ being forsaken is due to the imputation of our sin to Christ. When He took it all, He suffered separation from the Father as surely as Adam did in the garden. It took only one act of disobedience from the first man, for God to declare him spiritually dead; and the connection between man and God was severed until we are born anew in Christ. So God in His Holiness had to withdraw His connection with the Son, during not an act of disobedience; but still Christ became sin which the Father could not be defiled by, and have no part in.​

In that hour it's considered to be the worst punishment of all endured by Jesus. The perfect unity within the trinity, separated for the first time in existence. This is why there is so much emphasis applied to Christs anxiety to the point of sweating blood in the Garden of Gethsemane. To think the Chief of our salvation was afraid to die a mortal death, and was distressed to such a high magnitude, when his disciples went willingly to be martyrs singing hymns and preaching the Gospel, considering it an honor to die for The Way.​

For Christ to ask that the cup be taken from Him was not the response of a coward, for would not his love overpower any fear of death? I strongly believe His asking of another way was the correct response to give in light of knowing that He would have to be separated from the Father, and to me that outweighs an infinite amount of torture and mortal deaths.So for me personally the only thing Christ could truly fear, and that would cause Him to call out in shock upon that cross when the full realization of the separation was conceived, was a connection that had always been, had now been broken. A perfect relational unity with the Father was no more. The fact that He responded quoting scripture does not make the statement applied within that moment any less valid.

If He has suffered the just punishment for sin in our stead, should the payment not be the same as all who carry sin, the wrath of God and the separation from Him?​

The only connection The Father withdrew from Christ upon the cross was involving His flesh body upon the cross, not His Spirit. God did not kill God (Jesus Christ), which is what devils have evidently taught some here to think.