Was Mary Magdalene the sister of Lazarus?

[Sabé]

Again....A lot of words but nothing that points to a very moral Mary Magdalene that was well respected in and outside of the Bible. You have nothing! No evidence of immoral behavor and in fact just the opposite. Making a story up about an unnamed character is make-believe.

After each line you posted type; Does not point to Mary Magdalene. And that will be the facts. Just a lot of words.

I'm excused from needing to present examples of prostitute behavior committed by Mary the Magdalene in order to show that she was a prostitute, because I've shown that she and the unnamed repentant woman, a well-known sinner, in Simon the Pharisee's house were the same woman.

Your refusal to address the accounts and details I presented that I argue show Mary Magdalene was a well-known sinner before her conversion shows either acknowledgment of not knowing how to do so, or significant doubt in your own belief. Because if you have a sliver of conviction in your belief, then, at the very least, you should be willing and able to try and explain why the unnamed repentant woman, a well-known sinner, and Mary the Magdalene, from whom Jesus cast out seven demons, both of whom anointed Jesus with ointment and wiped His feet with their hair in Bethany, are insufficient reasons to deduce that they were the same person. But, you refused to do even that. So, it looks as though you have nothing further to offer except honesty by admitting that you have no reasonable evidence to support your belief.

 

[Grailhunter]

'm excused from needing to present scriptural details of immoral prostitute behavior committed by Mary the Magdalene in order to show that she was a prostitute prior to her conversion, because I've shown that she and the great and well-known repentant prostitute in Simon the Pharisee's house were the same woman

Not even close.

Your refusal to address the accounts and details I presented t

I did not refuse....I told you to type; Does not point to Mary Magdalene. After each line you posted. That is your answer. There is no scripture that says that Mary Magdalene was the repentant prostitute. I am done, you have nothing.....so move on.

 

[Sabé]

I did not refuse....I told you to type; Does not point to Mary Magdalene. After each line you posted. That is your answer.

Telling me to type the words "does not point to Mary the Magdalene" at the end of x, y, and z isn't the same as you explaining why x, y, and z specifically don't point to Mary the Magdalene.

There is no scripture that says that Mary Magdalene was the repentant prostitute. I am done, you have nothing.....so move on.

You're reverting to your argument that, because the unnamed repentant woman, a well-known sinner, wasn't named to be Mary the Magdalene, they weren't the same person? What happened to you admitting that a person isn't only identified by name, and that more details are needed if they aren't? And, where did you get the idea that all you have to do is say, "I'm right, and you're wrong" to hold a debate? It's lazy.

 

[Grailhunter]

Telling me to type the words "Does not point to Mary the Magdalene" next to x, y, and z isn't the same as you explaining why x, y, and z specifically doesn't point to Mary the Magdalene.

The explanation is short and pretty much the same for each of your lines of posts. It could be shorter….you have nothing to support your claim that Mary Magdalene was the repentant prostitute.

So...... does not point to Mary Magdalene….is enough.

 

[Grailhunter]

You're reverting to your argument that, because the repentant prostitute wasn't named to be Mary the Magdalene, they weren't the same person? What happened to you admitting that a person isn't only identified by name, and that more details are needed if they aren't? And, where did you get the idea that all you have to do is say, "I'm right, and you're wrong" to hold a debate? It's lazy.

Have not changed a bit.
If the person is not named then clear details are required to define them.
Something to define Mary and immoral…..
All you got is a very moral and very respected woman…..the rest is your fantasy.
Five women anointed Christ……that is the part of the story that is interesting…..why women?

 

[shepherdsword]

Two different people:

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Mary Magdalene​

• From: Magdala, a town on the Sea of Galilee.
• Known for:
  • Delivered by Jesus from seven demons (Luke 8:2; Mark 16:9).
  • Became a devoted follower of Jesus.
  • Present at the crucifixion (John 19:25).
  • First witness of the resurrection (John 20:1–18).
• Not the same as the “sinful woman” in Luke 7:36–50 (the Bible never names that woman).

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Mary of Bethany​

• From: Bethany, near Jerusalem.
• Family: Sister of Martha and Lazarus (John 11:1–2).
• Known for:
  • Sat at Jesus’ feet to listen while Martha served (Luke 10:38–42).
  • Wept at Lazarus’ tomb (John 11:32).
  • Anointed Jesus with expensive perfume, preparing Him for burial (John 12:1–8; Matthew 26:6–13).

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Key Differences​

	Mary Magdalene	Mary of Bethany
Home	Magdala (Galilee)	Bethany (near Jerusalem)
Family	None mentioned	Sister of Martha & Lazarus
Past	Delivered from 7 demons	No such account
Famous For	First to see risen Jesus	Anointed Jesus, sat at His feet
At Crucifixion?	Yes (John 19:25)	Not mentioned
At Resurrection?	First witness (John 20)	Not mentioned

 

[Grailhunter]

Two different people:

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Mary Magdalene​

• From: Magdala, a town on the Sea of Galilee.
• Known for:
  • Delivered by Jesus from seven demons (Luke 8:2; Mark 16:9).
  • Became a devoted follower of Jesus.
  • Present at the crucifixion (John 19:25).
  • First witness of the resurrection (John 20:1–18).
• Not the same as the “sinful woman” in Luke 7:36–50 (the Bible never names that woman).

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Mary of Bethany​

• From: Bethany, near Jerusalem.
• Family: Sister of Martha and Lazarus (John 11:1–2).
• Known for:
  • Sat at Jesus’ feet to listen while Martha served (Luke 10:38–42).
  • Wept at Lazarus’ tomb (John 11:32).
  • Anointed Jesus with expensive perfume, preparing Him for burial (John 12:1–8; Matthew 26:6–13).

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Key Differences​

	Mary Magdalene	Mary of Bethany
Home	Magdala (Galilee)	Bethany (near Jerusalem)
Family	None mentioned	Sister of Martha & Lazarus
Past	Delivered from 7 demons	No such account
Famous For	First to see risen Jesus	Anointed Jesus, sat at His feet
At Crucifixion?	Yes (John 19:25)	Not mentioned
At Resurrection?	First witness (John 20)	Not mentioned

Great.

Add to Mary Magdaline….She was selected by Christ to announce His resurrection.

 

[Taken]

Was Mary Magdalene the sister of Lazarus?

No.

Several Named Scriptural characters have the same names (common in that era)… same as today.

Identifying people with the same names…
Is by several different methods…

*Typical of males to be identified by their fathers name … son of so-in-so

*Typical of sibling relationships.

* Typical of town / city they were from.

* Typical of work they did.

* Typical of outward features.

* Typical of reputation.

Mary - called Mary Magdalene…was not a first and last name.
The city of Magdala was near the coast of Galilee.

Mary - called sister of Martha and Lazarus was from the town of Bethany near Jerusalem.

Both The areas of Galilee and Jerusalem were notable places JESUS was and not unreasonable to deduce Jesus, His presence, His teachings were the Buzz of the Times.

Mary of Bethany and Mary Magdalene
Are Not the “same” person, yet both Mary’s had personal encounters With Jesus, and both are revealed as faithful to Jesus.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Sabé]

The explanation is short and pretty much the same for each of your lines of posts. It could be shorter….you have nothing to support your claim that Mary Magdalene was the repentant prostitute.

So...... does not point to Mary Magdalene….is enough.

Telling me to type the words "does not point to Mary the Magdalene" at the end of x, y, and z isn't the same as you explaining why x, y, and z specifically don't point to Mary the Magdalene. What you need to do is try and explain, for example, why the unnamed repentant woman, a well-known sinner, and Mary the Magdalene, from whom Jesus cast out seven demons, both of whom anointed Him with ointment and wiped His feet with their hair, are insufficient reasons to deduce that they were the same person.

Great.

You rightly believe that Lazarus's and Martha's sister Mary was Mary the Magdalene, so why are you saying that @shepherdsword's post (#26) is great when he's saying that she wasn't?

 

[Grailhunter]

Telling me to type the words "Does not point to Mary the Magdalene" next to x, y, and z isn't the same as you explaining why x, y, and z specifically doesn't point to Mary the Magdalene. What you need to do is try and explain, for example, why the gesture of one anointing Jesus with expensive ointment using their hair made by both Lazarus's sister, Mary—whom you rightly understand was Mary the Magdalene—and the repentant prostitute—is an insufficient reason for one to deduce that they were the same woman.



You rightly believe that Lazarus's and Martha's sister Mary was Mary the Magdalene, so why are you saying that @shepherdsword's post (#26) is great when he's saying that she wasn't?

Telling me to type the words "Does not point to Mary the Magdalene" next to x, y, and z isn't the same as you explaining why x, y, and z specifically doesn't point to Mary the Magdalene. What you need to do is try and explain, for example, why the gesture of one anointing Jesus with expensive ointment using their hair made by both Lazarus's sister, Mary—whom you rightly understand was Mary the Magdalene—and the repentant prostitute—is an insufficient reason for one to deduce that they were the same woman.



You rightly believe that Lazarus's and Martha's sister Mary was Mary the Magdalene, so why are you saying that @shepherdsword's post (#26) is great when he's saying that she wasn't?

I told you to type; Does not point to Mary Magdalene. After each line you posted. That is your answer. There is no scripture that says that Mary Magdalene was the repentant prostitute. I am done, you have nothing.....so move on.

You have yet to show that Mary Magdalene by name did anything immoral.

 

[Sabé]

I told you to type; Does not point to Mary Magdalene. After each line you posted. That is your answer.

I know that you told me to do that, and it's because you're either unwilling to accept or unable to understand how you are expected to try and properly substantiate your case in this discussion. What you need to do is try and explain, for example, why the unnamed repentant woman, a well-known sinner, and Mary the Magdalene, from whom Jesus cast out seven demons, both of whom anointed Him with ointment and wiped His feet with their hair, are insufficient reasons to deduce that they were the same person. Because telling me to type the words "does not point to Mary Magdalene" at the end of what I post—which you believe is a proper explanation—looks like this:

"It's reasonable to deduce that the unnamed repentant woman, a well-known sinner, and Mary the Magdalene, from whom Jesus cast out seven demons, were the same person because both anointed Him with ointment and wiped His feet with their hair, because it does not point to Mary the Magdalene", and that is incoherent grammar, and it doesn't explain why the gesture itself, and by who it was made, are insufficient reasons to deduce that they were the same person.

 

[Grailhunter]

I know that you did, and it's because you seemingly don't understand how you are expected to try and properly substantiate your case in this discussion. That's why I said what you need to do is try and explain, for example, why the gesture of one anointing Jesus with expensive ointment using their hair made by both Lazarus's sister, Mary—whom you rightly understand was Mary the Magdalene—and the repentant prostitute—is an insufficient reason for one to deduce that they were the same woman.

You have yet to show that Mary Magdalene by name did anything immoral.
Everything she did was moral.
You have no biblical evidence, just making stuff up.

 

[jaybird]

da Vinci painted her in the last supper pic, what made him think to do that? also his benefactors were the Medici family who had access to ancient text not available to most.

the official position of the church is the one next to Jesus is a "young" Peter or John (cant remember which) and because of his youth, looks feminine, a feminine looking man is not a woman and still looks like a man, the bacchus painting and david statue (michael angelo) both have the feminine style in question, both look like men, feminine men but men none the less.

 

[Sabé]

You have yet to show that Mary Magdalene by name did anything immoral.

Jesus cast out seven demons from Mary the Magdalene whom they had possessed (Lk. 8:1-2). Is immoral behavior a result of being possessed by a demonic spirit?

You still have yet to try and explain, for example, why the unnamed repentant woman, a well-known sinner, and Mary the Magdalene, from whom Jesus cast out seven demons, both of whom anointed Him with ointment and wiped His feet with their hair, are insufficient reasons to deduce that they were the same person. Because telling me to type the words "does not point to Mary Magdalene" at the end of what I post—which you believe is a proper explanation—looks like this:

"It's reasonable to deduce that the unnamed repentant woman, a well-known sinner, and Mary the Magdalene, from whom Jesus cast out seven demons, were the same person, because both anointed Jesus with ointment and wiped His feet with their hair, because it does not point to Mary the Magdalene", and that is incoherent grammar, and it doesn't explain why the gesture itself, and by who it was made, are insufficient reasons for one to deduce that they were the same woman.

Everything she did was moral.

Are you saying everything that Mary the Magdalene did from birth to death was moral? Or, everything that she did throughout her childhood was moral? Or, everything that throughout her adulthood was moral?

 

[Grailhunter]

Jesus cast out seven demons from Mary the Magdalene whom they had possessed (Lk. 8:1-2). Is immoral behavior a symptom of being possessed by a demonic spirit?

You still have yet to try and explain, for example, why the gesture of one anointing Jesus with expensive ointment using their hair— as made in Bethany by Lazarus's sister, Mary the Magdalene, from whom Jesus cast out seven demons—and the repentant prostitute—both of whom were great sinners—are insufficient reasons for one to deduce that they were the same woman. This is because your current response of telling me to type "does not point to Mary Magdalene" at the end of what I post looks like this: "The gesture of one anointing Jesus with expensive ointment using their hair—as made in Bethany by Lazarus's sister, Mary the Magdalene, from whom Jesus cast out seven demons—and the repentant prostitute—both of whom were great sinners—are insufficient reasons for one to deduce that they were the same woman, because it does not point to Mary the Magdalene", which is incoherent grammar, and doesn't explain why the gesture itself, made by both women and great sinners in the same town, is an insufficient reason for one to deduce that they were the same woman.

Just because two people did the same thing does not mean they are the same person. If this is the way you study the Bible no telling what your beliefs are.

 

[Grailhunter]

Jesus cast out seven demons from Mary the Magdalene whom they had possessed (Lk. 8:1-2). Is immoral behavior a symptom of being possessed by a demonic spirit?

The scriptures do not say that she had demons because of immoral behavior. A lot of things were attributed to demons in that time period. I suspect that she had issues with PMS. LOL. Either way the scriptures do not get into the details and I do not make up details and include them in my beliefs.

 

[Grailhunter]

Are you saying everything that Mary the Magdalene did from birth to death was moral? Or, everything that she did throughout her childhood was moral? Or, everything that throughout her adulthood was moral?

She may have been more moral or less moral than you and I. Either way she was human.

 

[Sabé]

Just because two people did the same thing does not mean they are the same person.

Correct, but it's not just one thing that the unnamed repentant woman and Mary the Magdalene mutually did. Those two great sinners both anointed Jesus with ointment and wiped His feet with their hair. Why are those insufficient reasons to deduce that they were the same person?

The scriptures do not say that she had demons because of immoral behavior.

I said that according to Scripture, Jesus "cast out seven demons from Mary the Magdalene" (Lk. 8:2). Then, I asked you a general question. Again, is immoral behavior a result of being possessed by a demonic spirit?

A lot of things were attributed to demons in that time period.I suspect that she had issues with PMS. LOL. Either way the scriptures do not get into the details [...]

Since you only accept scriptural evidence, and there is no scriptural evidence linking Jesus's casting out seven demons from Mary the Magdalene to PMS (), then why do you believe it? And, would the casting out of PMS from Mary the Magdalene have been a one-time or monthly event?

She may have been more moral or less moral than you and I. Either way she was human.

That's not an answer to what I asked. You said, "Everything she [Mary the Magdalene] did was moral." Again, are you saying everything that Mary the Magdalene did from birth to death was moral? Or, everything that she did throughout her childhood was moral? Or, everything that throughout her adulthood was moral? Or, did you misspeak?

 

[Grailhunter]

Why is it not reasonable to deduce that the repentant prostitute and Mary the Magdalene were the same woman because they were both great sinners who anointed Jesus with expensive ointment using their hair in Bethany?

It appears that five women anointed Christ and only one of them was defined as a repentant prostitute. The bigger question is why were women anointing Him. This was usually done by men.

 

[Grailhunter]

I said that according to Scripture, Jesus "cast out seven demons from Mary the Magdalene" (Lk. 8:2). Then, I asked you a question. Again, is immoral behavior a result of being possessed by a demonic spirit?

Do we have an example in the scriptures of immorality causing demon possession? Of the exorcisms today was the demon possession caused by immoral behavior?