We are to love others as Jesus loved us!

[afaithfulone4u]

There seems to be a misunderstanding about how Jesus showed his love towards us.

Thinking of the scriptures, how many times do we see Jesus handing out physical needs to the lost, hurting & hungry people in his 3-1/2 yr ministry?

 

[aspen]

unselfish love is serving and porviding needed care for your neighbor.

 

[Foreigner]

Before He paid the ultimate price to show His love for us, Jesus healed scores of people. Perhaps thousands.

But He also spent a great deal of time warning people to avoid sin to the point of saying that if your eye causes you to sin, then pluck it out and throw it away because it is "better to enter Heaven with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into hell."

He also told those He helped to "Go, and sin no more."

God's love for us is not going to save us if we do not obey His requirements.

 

[afaithfulone4u]

unselfish love is serving and porviding needed care for your neighbor.

Unselfish love is when you put another's well being before your own...

But my question was how many times did you see Jesus, who is our example, handing out physical needs to people?


We must be kind to everyone who is put in our path rather good or bad, for if we do as they do, we are the same as they are... but we are not told to provide the needs of the ungodly to support their nasty habits that they need delivered from. In fact Jesus let them provide the meals when he ate with them for a worker is worthy of his wages. We work for God and the hearer of the Word should consider the Bread of life that we feed for their souls good as worth more than physical bread that is eaten and more is need in a while. But the Bread of life sustains us for life as it teaches us how to be honorable to God from whom all Blessings flow. He does not hand you things.. He gives you favor to receive things from others such as promotions, houses you did not build, wells you did not dig, vineyards you did not plant etc....

What is our commission as a soldier and ambassadore of Christ? Isn't it to Take the Good News of God's kingdom being available to all who are sick of living a life of misery due to SIN in their lives being held captive to the devils will, to Serve the Word? Meaning to serve Christ The Word faithfully and serve(feed) the Word to those who are lost so that they can live a better way of life by looking to God for their health, protection and provisions being Blessed? We are the Blessed seed of Abraham in Christ Jesus. How blessed is it if you don't have any food, shelter, clothes or to have to go into debt to pay for your needs? Does God want His people to live in poverty, to beg borrow and steal so that they are in Bondage to Sin for them? NO! He wants His children to come to Him out of a pure heart, not a bought one so that He can heal, protect and provide for HIS FAMILY.
Never do you see Jesus nor the disciples supporting those who reject Christ/The Word with physical needs. The 5,000 fed were those who first humbled themselves to the Word and sat at his feet and ate a spiritual meal first, then on Jesus' command gave an offering of Thanksgiving from all they had to the man of God who lifted it up to the Father to be blessed and mulitiplied to meet their need and left overs to spare.

We are to help a believing brother who is in need. In fact we are supposed to be selling extra lands or properties and laying the funds at the feet of the man of God so that all of our BRETHREN/Believers are well taken care of to the Glory of God. For if we do not help them, they may fall away and return to Egypt where things Seemed Better because they could lie, cheat, beg and steal for their needs which is called Filthy lucre because it is ill gotten gains.

God's provisons are for rewards for our faithfulness to the Son then we return a portion back to God to show our graditude and acknowledgement of who we serve and who gave us the provisions or victory. God's love is to abide in His Word and to bless other's with the Word of God for you can not come to the Father, unless you accept The Son.
Satan's way is to pay up front to get our needs met.... payment can be filthy lucre such as bribes or sin.

John 13:34-35
34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
35 By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.
KJV
John 15:12-19
12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.
13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.
14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.
15 Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.
16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.
17 These things I command you, that ye love one another.
18 If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.
19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.
KJV

 

[aspen]

foreigner - depends on how you interpret Jesus's warnings. was he warning like a parent or a doctor? Sin or sickness is to be avoided using drastic measures.

 

[afaithfulone4u]

Before He paid the ultimate price to show His love for us, Jesus healed scores of people. Perhaps thousands.

But He also spent a great deal of time warning people to avoid sin to the point of saying that if your eye causes you to sin, then pluck it out and throw it away because it is "better to enter Heaven with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into hell."

He also told those He helped to "Go, and sin no more."

God's love for us is not going to save us if we do not obey His requirements.

Yes Jesus taught the Truth and they hated him for it, but he laid his own life down so that those who he loved would have a chance to be saved. He died for every human being, but there is one condition, we must Recieve Him as Lord of our life so that the Spirit can have permission to come in and opertate on us internally as the Spirit writes the Word upon our hearts so that we are no longers just hearers but doers of the Word.
Sin in our lives is the issue that keeps God's goodness from coming to us, we must have a willing heart towards Christ to renew our minds to overcome the thoughts and ways of the old sinful man so that God can be our source for everything in life, casting all our cares upon Him to take care of us in this world, then Resting in His promises to be for us and Truth. The Word who became flesh went about healing all who were oppressed of the devils works that kept them in bondage to sin causing them death.

We must not be standing in fear with all of the ungodly who are witnessing the mighty works of God in this hour, for they will come upon those who have not excercised their faith in God to keep them safe. They are looking at the natural and believing it because they see it. We are the JUST and we shall stand in Faith in what we hope for but just hasn't manifested yet... but we believe it before we shall see it because God said it from His mouth and we live by every Word that proceeds from the mouth of God.

God hates sin, for sinfulness destroys us, our families, our countries and our enviorment.. it effects everything... that is why we have a better covenant than just written words that change no one internally, we now have the helper, the Spirit of God to teach us how to do what The Word/Jesus says.

 

[Foreigner]

foreigner - depends on how you interpret Jesus's warnings. was he warning like a parent or a doctor? Sin or sickness is to be avoided using drastic measures.

-- Jesus didn't leave anything to 'interpret.' He said it flat out.

 

[aspen]

i agree. Jesus told us that it is the sick who need a doctor

 

[JB_Reformed Baptist]

i agree. Jesus told us that it is the sick who need a doctor

Indeed! He said I've NOT come to call the (self)righteous but SINNERS to repentance.

Yes Jesus taught the Truth and they hated him for it, but he laid his own life down so that those who he loved would have a chance to be saved. He died for every human being, but there is one condition, we must Recieve Him as Lord of our life so that the Spirit can have permission to come in and opertate on us internally as the Spirit writes the Word upon our hearts so that we are no longers just hearers but doers of the Word.
Sin in our lives is the issue that keeps God's goodness from coming to us, we must have a willing heart towards Christ to renew our minds to overcome the thoughts and ways of the old sinful man so that God can be our source for everything in life, casting all our cares upon Him to take care of us in this world, then Resting in His promises to be for us and Truth. The Word who became flesh went about healing all who were oppressed of the devils works that kept them in bondage to sin causing them death.

We must not be standing in fear with all of the ungodly who are witnessing the mighty works of God in this hour, for they will come upon those who have not excercised their faith in God to keep them safe. They are looking at the natural and believing it because they see it. We are the JUST and we shall stand in Faith in what we hope for but just hasn't manifested yet... but we believe it before we shall see it because God said it from His mouth and we live by every Word that proceeds from the mouth of God.

God hates sin, for sinfulness destroys us, our families, our countries and our enviorment.. it effects everything... that is why we have a better covenant than just written words that change no one internally, we now have the helper, the Spirit of God to teach us how to do what The Word/Jesus says.

Remember, we wouldn't have a willing heart unless he gave us one.

 

[Foreigner]

i agree. Jesus told us that it is the sick who need a doctor.

-- And he told the sick that if they didn't follow the Doctor's orders, they would not live.

 

[aspen]

right, and then He allowed them to take the medicine or refuse it.

 

[KCKID]

Before He paid the ultimate price to show His love for us, Jesus healed scores of people. Perhaps thousands.

But He also spent a great deal of time warning people to avoid sin to the point of saying that if your eye causes you to sin, then pluck it out and throw it away because it is "better to enter Heaven with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into hell."

A figurative illustration, of course. As was the more important ..."Take care of the log in your own eye before you concern yourself with the splinter in someone elses eye." What Jesus is clearly illustrating here, of course, is that none of us can effectively stand in judgment of anyone else. And yet . . .

He also told those He helped to "Go, and sin no more."

It would have been a tongue-in-cheek remark after Jesus had sent the woman's accusers packing. Jesus knew that 'to sin no more' for a human being is impossible. He would have also known that because we're incable of 'not sinning' ...THAT was the very reason He was here.

It always amuses me when people present the 'Jesus said to go and sin no more' text as if it only applies to others and that "they" never sin any more . . . ;)

God's love for us is not going to save us if we do not obey His requirements.

I take it then that you'll 'remember' to be obedient to the 4th-command (God's requirement for His people) this weekend and keep the Sabbath from Friday sundown until Saturday sundown . . .? :)

 

[aspen]

be careful KC your extreme example is bond to be adopted by roving literalists reading this thread......

I once spent two years talking with an extremely conservative fundamntalist (refused to vote because it was too worldly) about his misconceptions about catholic doctrine and we became really good friends. unfortunately, the only idea he decided to embrace within catholicism was the immorality of birth control......he already had three children and his wife was soon pregnant again with twins and he was working part-time at a bookstore. I cannot put that genie back in the bottle....

 

[Axehead]

be careful KC your extreme example is bond to be adopted by roving literalists reading this thread......

I once spent two years talking with an extremely conservative fundamntalist (refused to vote because it was too worldly) about his misconceptions about catholic doctrine and we became really good friends. unfortunately, the only idea he decided to embrace within catholicism was the immorality of birth control......he already had three children and his wife was soon pregnant again with twins and he was working part-time at a bookstore. I cannot put that genie back in the bottle....

Guys and Gals,

I put a great video in the Homosexuality thread and I think it speaks about love very well and there is some very good wisdom for Christians (from a former Lesbian) in regard to how they relate to other communities. I was thoroughly refreshed by Dr. Rosaria Butterfield's candid interview. It encourages me to love people more and leave the results up to God. Hope you are encouraged by her interview, too.

Axehead

 

[Foreigner]

A figurative illustration, of course. As was the more important ..."Take care of the log in your own eye before you concern yourself with the splinter in someone elses eye." What Jesus is clearly illustrating here, of course, is that none of us can effectively stand in judgment of anyone else. And yet . . .

-- No, not even close. What Jesus is "clearly illustrating here" is the punshishment waiting for those who continue to willfully sin. Nothing more. Nothing less.

It would have been a tongue-in-cheek remark after Jesus had sent the woman's accusers packing. Jesus knew that 'to sin no more' for a human being is impossible. He would have also known that because we're incable of 'not sinning' ...THAT was the very reason He was here.

-- But humans are capable to doing their very best to reduce sin and if they fail, to seek forgiveness and try again.
Specific sin can be removed from your life with the Holy Spirit's help.
To say that it is okay to sin because we as humans are too flawed to keep from doing it anyway is going to make for an interesting conversation when you stand before God.

It always amuses me when people present the 'Jesus said to go and sin no more' text as if it only applies to others and that "they" never sin any more . . . ;)

-- A retarded thing to say. An unsubstantiated accusation of an opinion that you have no proof applies to anyone here.
As a matter of fact, whenever there is a Christian that visits this board who claims that since they are saved they no longer sin, they are shown they are wrong and eventually, when they see no one is going to buy that tripe, they leave.

right, and then He allowed them to take the medicine or refuse it.

-- But again, He warned them in detail what was waiting for them if they refused the medicine.
You seem to feel that since He was taken into heaven, there is never a time for people to be given the same warnings.

 

[aspen]

Our whole life of sin is a miserable warning - your judgment and sarcasm is not effective or necessary. The reason the HS's conviction is effective in converting the sinner is because God is judging a person's heart from His Goodness so He alone can judge good from evil. You, despite your best intentions can only judge another person from YOUR perspective even when you are attempting to use God's standard. That is one of the reasons your attempts to communicate God's moral code for Christian and nonchristian Americans it take on a haughty, arrogant tone that bites with sarcasm and attempts to be clever at the expenses of the people you are trying to correct. it is best to stick to loving others because if lapse into correcting other using your perspective, you are guilty of eating the fruit all over again

 

[Foreigner]

Our whole life of sin is a miserable warning - your judgment and sarcasm is not effective or necessary.

-- I quit reading right here. Aspen, you said that Christians who don't actively support Gay Marraige are "violating the civil rights of homosexuals." So much for being in a place to criticize others for judging.

I can also show you MULTIPLE times where you logged into a thread to drop one sarcastic sentence and then split. So much for being in a position to criticize others for sarcasm.

Sorry, but "do as I say, not as I do" doesn't cut it.




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[aspen]

Ha - ok Foreigner - you aren't fooling me. Anytime you start playing the persecuted Christian for no reason, I know you have received the message and simply have no response.

 

[SilenceInMotion]

Since when did calling someone's actions sinful become synonymous with 'judging'?

It is fallacious, simply being a convenient way to attack the person speaking righteousness instead of the wrongdoer. It is, ironically, judgement in itself if you go presume to say that such things are judgemental.

I think some need to establish a bit more reasoning in what they tell others instead of giving some ham handed criticism that doesn't even make sense.

 

[Foreigner]

Ha - ok Foreigner - you aren't fooling me. Anytime you start playing the persecuted Christian for no reason, I know you have received the message and simply have no response.

-- Ah, so now you are questioning my honesty. At least you are consistent.
Nope. didn't read past where you lamented judgement and sarcasm. Your first sentenced proved that it simply would not be worth the time.
I already gave two examples as to why your lament is hypocritical as well as comical.

If you want to post it again without your hypocritical preamble, I might take a look at it.
But as long as you are going to continue with the "Do as I say, not as I do" I have no time for you.

Since when did calling someone's actions sinful become synonymous with 'judging'?

-- You'll have to ask Aspen that one. That claim is his stock and trade.