What and when is the rapture. Part 2

[Davy]

Revelation 6

What about Revelation 6?

Apparently you failed to notice that the 6th Seal contains events showing Christ's 2nd coming, and the wicked wanting to hide...

Rev 6:12-17
12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;

16 And said to the mountains and rocks, "Fall on us, and hide us from the face of Him That sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

17 For the great day of His wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?"
KJV

When the wicked on earth try to hide from that "wrath", and they SEE "the face of Him That sitteth on the throne", that means by then this present world will have ended, and they see Christ coming in the clouds!


Rev 1:7
7 Behold, He cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see Him, and they also which pierced Him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of Him. Even so, Amen.
KJV

Whole lot of wailing goin' on! by the wicked on earth that are suddenly surprised by Christ's coming on that final day of this present world!

 

[Timtofly]

What about Revelation 6?

Apparently you failed to notice that the 6th Seal contains events showing Christ's 2nd coming, and the wicked wanting to hide...

Rev 6:12-17
12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;

16 And said to the mountains and rocks, "Fall on us, and hide us from the face of Him That sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?"
KJV

When the wicked on earth try to hide from that "wrath", and they SEE "the face of Him That sitteth on the throne", that means by then this present world will have ended, and they see Christ coming in the clouds!


Rev 1:7
7 Behold, He cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see Him, and they also which pierced Him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of Him. Even so, Amen.
KJV

Whole lot of wailing goin' on! by the wicked on earth that are suddenly surprised by Christ's coming on that final day of this present world!

The 6th Seal is before the 7th Seal. The 7th Seal happens before the 6 Trumpets. The 6th Seal is the beginning, not the end.

 

[Marty fox]

The 6th Seal is before the 7th Seal. The 7th Seal happens before the 6 Trumpets. The 6th Seal is the beginning, not the end.

The 6 seals line up with Matthew 24

 

[Keraz]

The 6 seals line up with Matthew 24

Matthew 24:29-30 is the Return of Jesus. Note; the moon does not give light.
Revelation 6:12-17 is the Sixth Seal worldwide disaster. Note; the moon shines blood red.

 

[Timtofly]

The 6 seals line up with Matthew 24

How are the Seals greater tribulation than the Trumpets? There is a distinction. Starting out with near 8 billion people, in the 4th Seal, 2 billion are dead and gone. That is 25%. That leaves 6 billion.

Then in the Trumpets we see:

14 Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates.

15 And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men.

One third of 6 billion is another 2 billion. That is half of the population gone in 2 distinct events.

We are not allowed to know the 7 Thunders, but in that distinct event keeping with the math of this final harvest, we should be at 50% or another 2 billion dead and gone in the Thunders. That is just the logic of this time of final harvest. Do you think the first 2 billion are the church, or is the church not included in this dead body count? IMO 2 billion left after the Thunders is too many. 2 billion souls still to decide to follow Satan or God means the 42 months have to happen. John never tells us how many are raptured, although the 2 billion in the 4th Seal is about the amount of population who claim Christianity as their religion today. Is it a coincidence that now, today those claiming to be Christian make up over 25% of humanity? Was that the case 1000 years ago? I think at some points especially before Islam, Christianity may have been close to 75%, but after the incursion of Islam, even in Europe, Christianity still had places available to expand in.


We are way past the point the Jews of Paul's day were only Jews outwardly and not Jews inwardly. Many Christians are outward Christians and not inward Christians. That is the point where God comes and removes the Steward of the vineyard and hands the job to some one else. Revelation claims Satan is the Steward for 42 months, but after the Great Tribulation. It happens after the 7th Trumpet has started to sound. It happens after the 7 Thunders. The 7 Thunders happen after the 6 Trumpets. The 6 Trumpets happen after the 7 Seals are opened.

 

[Timtofly]

Matthew 24:29-30 is the Return of Jesus. Note; the moon does not give light.
Revelation 6:12-17 is the Sixth Seal worldwide disaster. Note; the moon shines blood red.

It is the same event. The reason the sun becomes black and the moon stops giving out a light is the same reason for this verse: Revelation 22:5

5 And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.

This is Jesus stating the Lord God on the throne is present even before the Lamb, Jesus Christ is seen. The sun and moon did not stop functioning. They were just not as brilliant as the Lord God revealed on the throne. The base of the throne is already present on earth. Earth is the base, the footstool. Not a modern day footstool. It is the square base that is larger than the throne itself in length and depth, not in height. It is like a slab of concrete a statue is placed on. We cannot see it, because we are blind to the physical aspect of the throne. When that blindness is removed the sun and moon will appear as being dark.

The way John sees it is because of all the dust being thrown into the air, when the continents are moved out of their places and the mountains are moved around like furniture. They are arranged so the throne is the central part of the map. Currently the sides of the north, the central area is called the Artic ocean. Frozen solid most of the time. It is in the zone the throne occupies. It would seem the sea of glass and mount Zion are also present near the throne.

 

[Davy]

The 6th Seal is before the 7th Seal. The 7th Seal happens before the 6 Trumpets. The 6th Seal is the beginning, not the end.

The 6th Seal shows the day of Christ's 2nd coming, and it is undeniable for those who actually 'keep' The Word of God. Apparently, that's not you.

 

[Waiting on him]

I wonder if three or even five thousand years from now men will continue to squabbling over things they know nothing about.

 

[Enoch111]

I believe that this study shows us that the rapture is at the end of Satan’s little season at the 7th trumpet right before Jesus destroys the earth.

This is totally nonsensical. The Rapture has the saints ASCENDING to Heaven. The Second Coming has the saints DESCENDING from Heaven.

 

[Marty fox]

This is totally nonsensical. The Rapture has the saints ASCENDING to Heaven. The Second Coming has the saints DESCENDING from Heaven.

Can you provide scriptures to back this up?

 

[prism]

Jesus never left, we are the body of Christ. Soon as people get this silly notion out of their that we are His awaiting bride and begin to understand we are sons of God and not awaiting some alleged returning bridegroom, then it’ll begin to make sense.

And your nick is 'waiting on him'?

 

[Waiting on him]

And your nick is 'waiting on him'?

Yes, notice it doesn’t state what I’m waiting for Him to accomplish?

 

[prism]

Yes, notice it doesn’t state what I’m waiting for Him to accomplish?

Here are a couple of things I am waiting for Him to accomplish...



Romans 8:23 (KJV) And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.


2 Thessalonians 3:5 (KJV) And the Lord direct your hearts into the love of God, and into the patient waiting for Christ.

 

[Truth7t7]

This is totally nonsensical. The Rapture has the saints ASCENDING to Heaven. The Second Coming has the saints DESCENDING from Heaven.

Where in scripture does it state the saints ascend to heaven "Before" the second coming?

 

[prism]

Where in scripture does it state the saints ascend to heaven "Before" the second coming?

1 Thessalonians 3:13 (KJV) To the end he may stablish your hearts unblameable in holiness before God, even our Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all his saints.

The inference is if he comes with, then they must have been already raised before He came.

Where in scripture does it state the saints ascend to heaven "After" the second coming?

 

[Truth7t7]

1 Thessalonians 3:13 (KJV) To the end he may stablish your hearts unblameable in holiness before God, even our Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all his saints.

The inference is if he comes with, then they must have been already raised before He came.

Where in scripture does it state the saints ascend to heaven "After" the second coming?

When Jesus Christ Returns It Will Be (The End) Not The Start Of A Millennial Kingdom On Earth

As scripture clearly teaches below in 1 Corinthinas 15:23-24 , when Jesus Christ returns then comes (The End)

Many disregard (Then Cometh The End) as they desire to see a mortal Millennial Kingdom on earth, after the coming of Jesus Christ

afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. Then cometh the end, not a Millennial Kingdom on this earth as many falsely claim

(Then Cometh The End)

(Death Is Swallowed Up In Victory)

1 Corinthians 15:21-26 & 51-54KJV
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

 

[Truth7t7]

1 Thessalonians 3:13 (KJV) To the end he may stablish your hearts unblameable in holiness before God, even our Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all his saints.

The inference is if he comes with, then they must have been already raised before He came.

Where in scripture does it state the saints ascend to heaven "After" the second coming?

There is one time of resurrection for all, this takes place on the (Last Day) at the Second Coming of Jesus Christ

There are (Two) resurrections on this (Last Day) the righteous are blessed to be in the (First Resurrection) to eternal life, on such the (Second) death resurrection has no power.

1.) (First) Resurrection To Life
2.) (Second) Resurrection To Damnation, The Second Death

Revelation 20:6KJV
Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

The (Last Day) Resurrection Of All Below

John 5:28-29KJV
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

John 6:39-40KJV
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

1 Corinthians 15:21-24KJV
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

The (Last Day) Judgement

John 12:48KJV
48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

 

[Truth7t7]

1 Thessalonians 3:13 (KJV) To the end he may stablish your hearts unblameable in holiness before God, even our Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all his saints.

The inference is if he comes with, then they must have been already raised before He came.

Where in scripture does it state the saints ascend to heaven "After" the second coming?

Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ

(Behold, I Make All Things New)

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Psalm 46:6KJV
6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.

Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Psalm 97:5KJV
5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.

Isaiah 66:15KJV
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Nahum 1:5-6KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.

Revelation 20:9KJV
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

 

[Enoch111]

When Jesus Christ Returns It Will Be (The End) Not The Start Of A Millennial Kingdom On Earth

When will you stop promoting your bizarre and unscriptural ideas?

How many times does "one thousand years" or "a thousand years" (Greek chilia ete) occur within seven verses of Scripture? SIX TIMES. So have you cut that portion out of your Bible? If not you had better get to it right now, in order to be consistent.

 

[Truth7t7]

When will you stop promoting your bizarre and unscriptural ideas?

How many times does "one thousand years" or "a thousand years" (Greek chilia ete) occur within seven verses of Scripture? SIX TIMES. So have you cut that portion out of your Bible? If not you had better get to it right now, in order to be consistent.

Revelation 20:1-6 Isnt A Millennial Kingdom On This Earth, Dont Be Deceived

Can you find the things claimed by those teaching a Literal 1,000 year Millennial Kingdom On This Earth in Revelation 20:1-6 below?

1.) Physical Earthly Kingdom?
2.) Physical Earthly Throne?
3.) Physical Mortal Humans?

The Above Claims (Don't Exist)

Revelation 20:1-6 Is 100% In The Lords (Spiritual) Angel, Heaven, Devil, Satan, The Souls, The Dead, God, Christ

100% Spiritual Realm, No "Literal" Time

2 Peter 3:8KJV
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Revelation 20:1-6KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.