What are the FACES of God? (Exodus 30:11-34:35)

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PARASHA: “Ki Tisa” (when you elevate) Exodus 30:11-334:35


Here’s an interesting question; “Does God have faces. If yes, how many? Think on this question and we’ll come to the answer later on in this study.

This parashah starts out by numbering the people, those who are 20 years old and older, Each person has to give one half shekel of silver. Why the count? This is to count those who are old enough for the Army, the very first IDF (Israel Defense Forces). Since it is not appropriate to count “people” perhaps as to not trust in “numbers” for strength, which might lead to pride, YHVH tells Moshe to collect silver, and for each half-shekel of silver (between $5 and $6 today) , one person is represented. The silver is to be used for the Mishkan, for repair and maintenance. Of course, we realize that the Levites were not included in the Armed Forces, they were exempt, their jobs were to be “chaplains” of a sort, working with the priests in ministry.

It is interesting to see that "Tisa" (to raise up, sum, add up) "Sha'at" (to be accepted) and "Eshet" (his wife) all have the same letters! the "Tav", "Sheen" and "Aleph" only they are rearranged. all equal 701 in gematria. Is this saying something to us as believers? Maybe..."He counts us for HIS service, to be accepted as HIS wife" we are His bride, and HE will marry US someday soon. We are the "living temples" where HE is living (inside us)

Every born-again believer is “numbered” in the eyes of YHVH for HIS army of adopted sons and daughters, we are fighting a spiritual battle against a hardened enemy, HaSatan, who has his own army of demons, devils, and unsaved humans working for him. Even though there will be many battles, the war has already been won, it was won 2000 years ago, on Calvary’s cross. YHVH came down in flesh and blood and paid our sin price in full. We are fighting against an enemy who has lost the war, but he has an attitude and will not relent, He wants to cause havoc among all believers and their families.

YHVH commands Moshe to prepare incense and anointing oil. The incense is to be used in worship, burned on the table of incense, which is before the “Kadosh-Kedoshim” (Holy of Holies) and also, on the bread, and on the sacrifices. Incense is still used today in religious services, it has a calming effect on the emotional and nervous system of those who are around it. There are many distinct aromas, the aromas that are similar to the incense that was used in the tabernacle and temple would be frankincense and some even say “musk” scent, however no one can be sure of the original ingredients, what they are today, besides, YHVH prohibits an exact duplication of the formula.

The anointing oil was used to anoint the Levites and priests “on their heads” and not on the flesh, the ingredients were sweet cinnamon, calamus, cassia, myrrh, and olive oil, there are oils today that are used for anointing, yet it was prohibited to replicate the “exact” recipe.

In Remez, the incense symbolizes our prayers that go upward towards heaven, and the oil symbolizes the Holy Spirit who is with us all the time. Through the Ruach HaKodesh, our prayers go up and are heard by our Messiah Yeshua.

We see later on in this parashah that Moshe goes up Har Sinai to receive the tablets of the Mitzvoth, and as we all know the story, after a while the people wonder; “and Moshe? What happened to him?” their faith was weak, and when faith is weak, the enemy HaSatan will take advantage, Aaron who was left in charge was pressured into relenting, with gold earrings, the people made a “golden Calf”. “This is our god” they said, could one think that they replaced YHVH with this false god? The Egyptian god “hapis” took form of a cow or bull, and perhaps, they had a miniature one of those gods with them.

I would think they still believed in YHVH but they wanted to “See” with their eyes, some kind of form, breaking of course the commandment, “Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image”. True faith is “believing” even if we cannot see something that is invisible. Yeshua said to his talmidim; “Blessed are those who do not see yet believe”.

Do we trust Adonai, even when we cannot see the immediate results? That is what testing is all about, He will try our faith, will we trust HIM even unto the end? YHVH lives in the infinite dimension of time and space, while we live in the finite dimension. He can see the end while we can’t even see around the corner. He has everything under control, we just have to believe and wait on him, as the Israelites should have done. It would have saved a lot of grief, lives, and dishonor.

Moshe comes back down only to witness the disaster, breaks the tablets as a sign of a “broken covenant” between YHVH and the people. It is like getting married and on the same wedding night, the bride goes out and commits adultery. YHVH wants to DESTROY the people, and start over with Moshe. YET, Moshe intercedes before YHVH for Am Israel. Just as Moshe interceded, so did YESHUA intercede before the Father on our behalf, and still does. “Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do” (Yeshua’s words). “Yet now, if you will forgive their sin, and if not, blot ME out of thy book” (Moshe’s words) and…. YHVH forgave them. Just like YHVH forgives us of our sins, when we confess and turn from our wicked ways.

Now we will answer the question; Does God have faces? If yes, how many? First of all, we know that this is not literal, since God is not human, so as to say He has a face or faces. So, this must be a Derashic question, with a spiritual or symbolic answer. The reason for this is because we read in Exodus 33:11; “YHVH would speak to Moses face to face, as one man speaks to another..” Yet in another part of scripture we read: “You can not see my face, for man may not see me and live” (Exodus 33:20) So, how did Moshe and God speak “face to face?”

The English reads, “face to face” but in the original Hebrew it reads; “Panim El Panim” or “faces to faces” The word “El” could also be read as “God” because that is one of His names. So we could also look at it as ; “faces God faces” It makes no sense in English, but in Hebrew, it does make sense.

When a person has mood changes, the face changes as well. We can make “sad faces’ “happy faces” “ angry faces” etc… So, let’s read on and see if we can understand “Panim El Panim”.

Moshe wants to see the glory “HaKavod YHVH” he goes back up for a second copy of the commandments. “Show me thy glory!” the LORD responded; “I will make all my goodness go before thee” yet, he said that no one could see the “face” of YHVH, who can look upon the pure essence of YHVH? For it would drive the spirit out of the body, So, as YHVH passed by, Moshe saw the “after-effect” the “tail end”. It could be similar to my experience in seeing Haley’s comet back in 1987. While I was in college, I went to Lynchburg College Observatory which was open to the public, we could see Haley’s comet going back out into space, I saw the “tail end” of the comet, which was just a faint glow at that time. Now Moshe gets the second set of the tablets, and YHVH gives them to him with these words:

“YHVH, YHVH God, merciful and gracious, long-suffering, abundant in goodness and truth, keeping mercy unto the thousandth generation, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and by no means clear the guilty, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and their children’s children……”

Could we dare say that these “attributes” or “personalities” could be expressed in the words “Panim El Panim” The “faces of God’s character?” He has the face of mercy, the face of Grace, the face of long-suffering, the faces of goodness and truth, the face of forgiveness, yet He also has the faces of judgment, punishment, wrath, and jealousy “El Kana” (Jealous God) This is something to think about and ponder over.

These are good descriptions of our God. He IS full of mercy and showed us grace, in that we were yet sinners, He came to earth in human form and died for us all. He is “long suffering” in that he puts up with our “stuff’ our “attitudes” and “rebellions” and gives us second, third, and fourth “chances” to repent, He could have wiped out Israel in one second, but he didn’t. He gave us his Torah, the Bible which is full of “goodness” and IS the TRUTH, he forgives sin, but ONLY when we come to him as repentant sinners and trust Yeshua as our Savior and LORD. He does not clear the guilty ONLY WHEN, the guilty DO NOT REPENT! And yes, the sins of the fathers can affect the children, just look at the public schools today, the students are rebellious, disrespectful because they have learned that from THEIR PARENTS!
 

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If the kids hear the parents fuss and cuss, they will too, If the parents smoke dope, they will have the tendency to do the same, children will copy their parents in all ways, HOWEVER, the blood of Yeshua can heal all of that, the generational curses can be cut short when YESHUA comes into the lives of families.

Moshe returns to the congregation with the new set of tablets, and YHVH instructs him and reminds him of his commandments, “Yes, I will go before thee…only observe all that I am commanding thee this day…. And toward the end, YHVH mentions, “thou shalt not seethe a kid in its mother’s milk” which is a repeated commandment, this was discussed before, it symbolizes a separation between, “life and death” of the “clean and unclean”

Moshe comes down “glowing” like a thousand-watt light bulb, why? He has been in the presence of YHVH right there, in the middle of the Shekinah glory! If he glowed with God’s glory, Moshe being a sinner like all of us, can you imagine how Adam and Eve glowed before the fall? Being in constant fellowship with Elohim? It was only after the fall that the “light covering” left, and they found themselves “naked!”

Yeshua said; “Ye are the light of the world” Yes, we are, yet we have no light of our own, we reflect the light of Messiah Yeshua, in our own lives. Is our light bright, like that which reflected from Moshe? Or…dim?

STANDING ON THE ROCK! (Exodus 33:12-23) Moshe asks YHVH a very interesting question; “You say bring this people up, but who is going with me?


Without guidance, we can go nowhere. It is like walking in the dark without a flashlight or being in the middle of the ocean without a compass. Where will we go? Who will lead us? Adonai has the answer Moshe is searching for;

“My presence goes, and I shall give you rest” (vs 14) The “Ruach Elohim” will go with the people, and they will receive “shalom”. There are two kinds of rest, “physical rest” from our labors, and “spiritual rest” that is from within us. Before, we were burdened down with the curse of sin, but once we accept Yeshua HaMashiach (Jesus the Christ) as our LORD and Savior, we have his “presence” inside of us to give us “peace” (shalom)

Moshe wants to experience the “essence” of YHVH, but who can know who He really is? Can we grasp the meaning of the universe? The mind of God? We are limited, to what we can fathom as fallen beings, but YHVH listens to Moshe and gives him an answer;

“I shall cause all my goodness to pass before you, and I shall proclaim the Name of YHVH………See, there is a place with me, and you shall stand on the ROCK……. (vss 19,21) There was a special place, a special ROCK, where Moshe was placed, he “Stood” upon the ROCK” (HaTzur) In the picturesque/symbolic ancient Hebrew, the letters can symbolize, “The first Tzadik to receive the nail”

The ROCK symbolizes YESHUA, who IS the TZADIK (the righteous one) who received the Nail and paid our sin price in full, and thus…giving us SHALOM (rest) from our spiritual torment of being lost sinners.

The name YHVH proclaimed is HAVAYAH, (the essence of existence) who is “Haya” (the past) Hoveh (the present) and “Yiyah” (the future) and who is YESHUAH (salvation of YAH)

Have a blessed week.

The Moon Maiden watches over her beloved as he sails the ocean blue, Our Heavenly Father watches over his beloved bride as we sail on the waves of life, someday, he will call our ship to HIS home port. (my wife when she was 17; 1966)
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Time is the fourth dimension, and God can transcend time, having created the dimensions and the space-time continuum.

The many Old Testament appearances of God in the form of a man, are Y’eshua, who is the only manifestation of God in the body of a man.

Jacob for example wrestled with Elohim all night long, says the Hebrew, and named that place Peniel, which means, He’d seen the face of Elohim and lived.

Gen 32:30 And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for, said he, I have seen Elohim face to face, and my life is preserved.

When God spoke with Moses “ face to face, as a man speaks to s friend” - that also was Jesus

Exodus 33:11 And Jehovah spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend. And he turned again into the camp: but his minister Joshua, the son of Nun, a young man, departed not out of the Tent.

My favorite is Genesis 18:1where the Hebrew states that YHWH appeared to Abraham as a man, with two other men present with Him.

Abraham ends up washing His feet, then has a conversation with YHWH about sparing Sodom from destruction- when negotiations broke down because not even ten righteous were left in Sodom, God destroys Sodom in chapter 19 by raining fire and brimstone on the city, and scripture says that the Jehovah on earth that Abraham met and talked to, rained down fire and brimstone FROM the Jehovah in heaven:

Genesis 19:24 Then Jehovah rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from Jehovah out of heaven;

Jehovah in the form of a man, was on earth at the same time Jehovah was in heaven sending down destruction on Sodom.
 
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“Then the LORD rained down upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven.” - KJV.

This one seems too ridiculous to bother with, but some trinitarians appear to be serious about it. It goes this way: when we read Gen. 19:24, we find there are two different persons who have the only personal name of God, “Jehovah,” (or “LORD” in some mistranslations). Therefore these two different persons with God’s personal name show the “plural personality” of that one God.

Even if we assume this to be a correct translation, it seems obvious that it can be honestly interpreted as a simple repetition of the same person’s name. That is, the very same person who produced the brimstone and fire, Jehovah, is also the one who rained it down upon these cities.

The explanatory note by trinitarian Dr. Young in Young’s Concise Critical Bible Commentary, Baker Book House, for this verse states: “JEHOVAH...JEHOVAH, i.e. from Himself.”

If that is the correct explanation, then this scripture might provide a somewhat parallel example: “And King Solomon gave to the Queen of Sheba all that she desired, whatever she asked besides what was given her by the bounty of King Solomon.” - 1 Kings 10:13, RSV. (Cf. KJV.) Even though this is a very literal translation of the original manuscripts and the one personal name of King Solomon is actually used twice, we surely don’t believe there were two different persons making up the one King Solomon! Wouldn’t we interpret this as Dr. Young (and others) have done with “Jehovah” above? That is obviously how the Living Bible, NIV, MLB, NASB, etc. have interpreted it. (“King Solomon gave her everything she asked him for, besides the presents he had already planned.” - LB.)

Another honest explanation for Gen. 19:24 given by trinitarian scholars themselves is that the use of the phrase in question (“from the LORD out of heaven”) is in doubt. The very trinitarian New American Bible, 1970 ed. (Catholic) encloses the last part of Gen. 19:24 in brackets: “the LORD rained down sulphurous fire upon Sodom and Gomorrah [from the LORD out of heaven].” And the preface to the NAB tells us: “Doubtful readings ... appear within brackets.” - p. 45, St. Joseph Edition.

That is why these trinitarian Bible translations have actually omitted that doubtful portion: ASV; AT; CEB; CEV; ERV; EXB; GNT; GW; ICB; Mo; NCV; TLB; NEB; NLV; NLT; REB. (E.g. “then the LORD rained down fire and brimstone from the skies on Sodom and Gomorrah.” - New English Bible.) And others, like the NJB, have rendered it “[Jehovah] rained down on Sodom and Gomorrah brimstone and fire of his own sending.”

Certainly no trinitarian Bible translation would do this if it could possibly be used as honest trinitarian evidence!

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Here is another 'proof' which is similar:

Is. 45:11 - "Thus saith Jehovah, the Holy One of Israel, and his Maker:" - ASV.

Any time there is a chance of confusing the antecedent of a pronoun to make a trinity 'proof,' someone will take it. The idea here, of course, is that Jehovah has another person who is His maker!!

But Is. 45:11 is speaking of YHWH (LORD/Jehovah) as the creator of Israel:

"The LORD is the Holy One of Israel. He made them. He says to them," NIRV.

"This is what the LORD says— the Holy One of Israel, and its Maker:" - NIV, Cf. AT; CSB; CEB; CEV; ERV; EHV; EXB; HCSB; LEB; TLB; NCV; NRSV; TLV.

Any time you can find so many trinitarian scholars and translators who agree that a trinity 'proof' verse is NOT accurate, you can be assured that it is NOT a valid 'proof.'
 

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Faces of God

When the Hebrew scriptures speak of the face of God, they invariably use the plural Hebrew word which is literally “faces” (e.g. Ex. 33:20, Num. 6:25, Ps. 10:11). Obviously, according to this type of trinitarian reasoning, to have “faces” God must be more than one person!

It is apparent to any competent OT Bible scholar that “faces” is used in a similar manner to the plural “elohim.” That is, the plural “faces” is used in a singular sense in the ancient Hebrew idiom.

We only have to look at other uses in the Bible. King David, for example, is described with the plural “faces” usage: 2 Sam. 14:24 uses the plural “faces” twice for King David! This scripture, when translated into the ancient Greek Septuagint hundreds of years before Christ, used the singularface” in Greek. The same thing has happened in many scriptures, e.g. 2 Ki. 3:14 (Jehoshaphat) and 2 Ki. 18:24 (an official).

Clearly, the Hebrew translators of that time did not understand a “multiple-person God” (any more than a “multiple-person David [or Jehoshaphat]”) or they certainly would have translated the plural Hebrew “faces” of God with the plural Greek word for “faces.” But they never did!

Likewise, as with the plural elohim, the New Testament writers never followed the Hebrew plural usage for “face,” but always used the singular “face” for God (e.g., Heb. 9:24). How extremely strange if they really believed God was more than one person!
 

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This one seems too ridiculous to bother with, but some trinitarians appear to be serious about it. It goes this way: when we read Gen. 19:24, we find there are two different persons who have the only personal name of God, “Jehovah,” (or “LORD” in some mistranslations). Therefore these two different persons with God’s personal name show the “plural personality” of that one God.

Your claim is wrong as simply reading the events leading up to that verse proves.

In Genesis 18:1 the Hebrew states that the LORD (YHWH, or Yahweh, in the Hebrew) appeared to Abraham AS A MAN with two other men present with Him, who would be angels.

It does not say an angel of the Lord appeared, but that YAHWEH appeared to Abraham.

Abraham ends up washing His feet, then has a conversation with YHWH about sparing Sodom from destruction- when negotiations broke down because not even ten righteous were left in Sodom, God destroys Sodom in chapter 19 by raining fire and brimstone on the city, and scripture says that the Jehovah on earth that Abraham met and talked to, rained down fire and brimstone FROM the Jehovah in heaven:

Genesis 19:24 Then Jehovah, (the one on earth that Abraham talked to and washed His feet).rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire FROM Jehovah out of heaven;

This is too clear too obfuscate, along with the account of Jacob wrestling with ELOHIM, in the Hebrew, then naming the place “I have seen God face to face, and lived to tell about it” i e., Peniel.

Jehovah in the form of a man, was on earth at the same time Jehovah was in heaven sending down destruction on Sodom, and Elohim in the form of a man wrestled with Jacob.

Jesus was also the fourth man in the fiery furnace, and many other instances of a Christophany exist in the Old Testament.

I suggest that the box you’ve put God in is much too small.
 

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Your claim is wrong as simply reading the events leading up to that verse proves.

In Genesis 18:1 the Hebrew states that the LORD (YHWH, or Yahweh, in the Hebrew) appeared to Abraham AS A MAN with two other men present with Him, who would be angels.

It does not say an angel of the Lord appeared, but that YAHWEH appeared to Abraham.

Abraham ends up washing His feet, then has a conversation with YHWH about sparing Sodom from destruction- when negotiations broke down because not even ten righteous were left in Sodom, God destroys Sodom in chapter 19 by raining fire and brimstone on the city, and scripture says that the Jehovah on earth that Abraham met and talked to, rained down fire and brimstone FROM the Jehovah in heaven:

Genesis 19:24 Then Jehovah, (the one on earth that Abraham talked to and washed His feet).rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire FROM Jehovah out of heaven;

This is too clear too obfuscate, along with the account of Jacob wrestling with ELOHIM, in the Hebrew, then naming the place “I have seen God face to face, and lived to tell about it” i e., Peniel.

Jehovah in the form of a man, was on earth at the same time Jehovah was in heaven sending down destruction on Sodom, and Elohim in the form of a man wrestled with Jacob.

Jesus was also the fourth man in the fiery furnace, and many other instances of a Christophany exist in the Old Testament.

I suggest that the box you’ve put God in is much too small.

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Gen. 18:1-19:1 tells of three "men" who meet Abraham. These three turned out to be angels of Jehovah, and only one of them speaks for God (as in the burning bush of Exodus). Again God is properly represented by one, single individual even though it would have been incredibly easy (and appropriate, if true) for God to have used all three persons here to represent him equally as God.

Even the highly trinitarian NIVSB admits in its footnote for Gen. 18:2 -
"three men. At least two of the 'men' were angels (see 19:1; see also note on 16:7). The third may have been the Lord himself..." [And the NIVSB footnote on Gen. 16:7 referred to above says:] ".... It may be, however, that as the Lord's personal messenger who represented him and bore his credentials, the [single] angel could speak on behalf of (and so be identified with) the One who sent him" - The NIV Study Bible, Zondervan Publ., 1985.

And the extremely trinitarian ISBE admits:

"Gen 18-- Abraham intercedes with the angel for Sodom" - p. 133, Vol. 1, The International Standard Bible Encyclopaedia, Eerdmans Publishing Co., 1984 printing.

Yes, truly, here was a perfect opportunity to show at least a hint of a 3-person God. But, instead, as always, the inspired Bible writer shows the solitary figure of a single angel representing Jehovah, the only true God! God is one person only, the Father - Jehovah!

The same understanding of representatives of God applies to Jacob contending (‘wrestling’) with God:

NASB, Hosea 12:2-5

2 The Lord also has a case against Judah,
And will punish Jacob according to his ways;
He will repay him according to his deeds.
3 In the womb he took his brother by the heel,
And in his mature strength he contended with God.
4 Yes, he wrestled with the angel and prevailed;”
 

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Gen. 18:1-19:1 tells of three "men" who meet Abraham. These three turned out to be angels of Jehovah, and only one of them speaks for God (as in the burning bush of Exodus). Again God is properly represented by one, single individual even though it would have been incredibly easy (and appropriate, if true) for God to have used all three persons here to represent him equally as God.

Absolutely wrong.

Jehovah appeared to Abraham. You can’t spin that fact.

Abraham saw three men, one of whom was Jehovah:

Gen 18:1 And Jehovah appeared unto him by the oaks of Mamre, as he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day; ASV

Genesis 18:2 and he lifted up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood over against him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself to the earth,

That’s too clear to obfuscate.

Unlike other scriptures that say an angel of Jehovah appeared to someone, this verse specifically says Jehovah Himself appeared to Abraham.

Jehovah was one of the three men, thus two were most likely angels.

Before that, the LORD (in the Person of Jesus Christ) appeared to Abraham twice (Gen 12:7; Gen 17:1),
 
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