What Bible Translation do you think is the best?

[PS95]

The more I look/listen into the which Bible argument the more I stay with KJV
This might be of interest to you or not.

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I think I am fairly well informed. Thanks. Sorry but the secret code stuff doesn't sway me one bit. It reminds me of numerology.
I don't see this as a conspiracy at all.
Remember, I was raised on a jw bible- now that is corrupted by man. I had to investigate what bible to use.
YET- even with a corrupted jw bible a person can still come to the Lord, and know they are saved by grace thru faith and are to walk in good works even with a jw bible. It is not so much the bible used, but the ones teaching it's meaning that is the problem with jws and many many other false teachers which abound no matter what bible they're using.
I've prayed about this and I lean toward the NASB older version and I also use the NKJV because I am terrible with KJV's outdated language.
I waste too much time looking up words..and lose interest in it. Even the thines and thouests throw me. So it's not for me.
No offense.

 

[markalan]

I've prayed about this and I lean toward the NASB older version and I also use the NKJV because I am terrible with KJV's outdated language.
I waste too much time looking up words..and lose interest in it. Even the thines and thouests throw me. So it's not for me.
No offense.

The KJV language can be a bit difficult for those who are not raised on it.

The thee's & thine's actually serve a helpful purpose ... all the "th" pronouns are singular ... all the "y" ones (you, your, yours) are plural.

You can see how it works here (Luke 22:31-32):

And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat:​

But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren.​

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[PeterAndroz]

I think I am fairly well informed. Thanks. Sorry but the secret code stuff doesn't sway me one bit. It reminds me of numerology.
I don't see this as a conspiracy at all.
Remember, I was raised on a jw bible- now that is corrupted by man. I had to investigate what bible to use.
YET- even with a corrupted jw bible a person can still come to the Lord, and know they are saved by grace thru faith and are to walk in good works even with a jw bible. It is not so much the bible used, but the ones teaching it's meaning that is the problem with jws and many many other false teachers which abound no matter what bible they're using.
I've prayed about this and I lean toward the NASB older version and I also use the NKJV because I am terrible with KJV's outdated language.
I waste too much time looking up words..and lose interest in it. Even the thines and thouests throw me. So it's not for me.
No offense.

Which do you believe is the correct translation ?
Rom 11:13
NASB An Apostle
KJV....THE Apostle
Rom 15:16
NASB A Minister
KJV...THE Minister
Gal 2:7
NASB gospel TO
KJV....gospel OF

 

[PeterAndroz]

Jesus was quoting Deuteronomy 8:3 so it seems more likely to me that the manuscripts which included "every word of God" in Luke 4:4 are the more reliable.

KJV: And he humbled thee, and suffered thee to hunger, and fed thee with manna, which thou knewest not, neither did thy fathers know; that he might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the LORD doth man live.

ESV: And he humbled you and let you hunger and fed you with manna, which you did not know, nor did your fathers know, that he might make you know that man does not live by bread alone, but man lives by every word that comes from the mouth of the LORD.

Mat 4:4 and Luke 4:4 ... things that make you go hmmm

......"""things that make you go hmmm

 

[Seeding Loving]

I believe that God has preserved his word perfectly, just as he promised and that God expresses importance of knowing and understanding his word / scriptures.

With all of the recent sudden explosion over the last 500 years of bibles printed into 4,000 + languages worldwide - there are over 3,000+ Bible Versions available today. But I have seen how some of the Christian " so - called Experts " have made statements to say that these 3,000 + bible versions have major differences that hinder and degrade the Bible.

These statements and concerns from The " Experts " orbit around specifically the different . FAMILIES . of manuscripts that were produced within the first 300 years after Christ.

There are minor / small variants or minor differences between these manuscript . families . these Manuscript Families include 4 main families of texts

1. Alexandrian Text: Originating in Alexandria, Egypt.

2. Byzantine Text: Originating around Constantinople. representing - the vast majority of surviving manuscripts - and is often called the "Majority Text".

3. Western Text: Found across North Africa, Europe, and Syria.

4. Caesarean Text: Originating in Caesarea. This family is seen as a mixed text containing elements from both the Alexandrian and Western traditions

But these very few and minor textual differences between the different families of Greek text, in reality, have not caused different versions of the Bible to be produced that contradict one another - even some Protestants and Catholics make a gentle uproar concerning how their translations are superiors to one another.

But the truth is, - these very minor differences have not at all caused contradictions between different translations of the Bible

NOR HAS THE DIFFERENT MANUSCRIPT TYPES CAUSED THE 47,000 + DIFFERENT DENOMINATIONS THAT EXIST TODAY

but rather - the different Translations and the many denominations are created from translators deviating away from the original Greek manuscript message and attempting to invent a new theology. - " from their individual personal perspective


THE TRUTH IS ...........
all manuscripts are exactly the same regarding everything pertaining to the topics and subjects orbiting everything that all 47,000 + different denominations disagree and differ upon.


this claim, - that different Greek manuscripts family types have causes contradicting translations and " denominational differences " - this is truly one of the greatest magnificent untruths and complete falsehoods that exist within the Christian world.

it is not the difference between the manuscripts - but the difference in how the translators deviate in a conscience effort / willingly, to falsely and untruly mistranslate and change the original message. Meaning = this is never caused by the very few and minor textual differences between the different families of Greek text. All manuscripts are exactly the same regarding everything pertaining to the topics and subjects orbiting the many, many things that all denominations disagree and differ upon. -

thee textual differences within the manuscript families - everything within the types of manuscripts all agree on the core, critical, basic crucial, core foundational mandatory and needed ritual, rite, ceremony or practice in worship for faith to God.

These minor variants and differences within the manuscripts simply isn't what has caused disagreement among Christians denominations. .........

and these differences are not what different denominations disagree about with one another.

there may be some slight variant between one particular Version and another, but they all agree upon the core, critical, basic crucial, core foundational mandatory and needed ritual, rite, ceremony or practice in worship for faith to God.

Are not the different denominations caused by Christians moving away from the Scripture and turning to their own doctrines ?

 

[WalterandDebbie]

I want to say that no Bible can be said to be the best translation.
As long as it is a translation, it will be mixed with individuals.Judgment and understanding.
The only suitable way is to read the Bible in different languages.
Then we can understand the most appropriate meaning of the Bible.

What do you mean? soberxp:

Love, Walter

 

[GRACE ambassador]

Best Translation?:

The One God Preserved For me:

And, precious friend(s), Please Be Very Richly Encouraged and Edified
In The Lord Jesus Christ and In His Precious Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided:

The Bible: The BIG Picture

Amen.

 

[WalterandDebbie]

Best Translation?:

The One God Preserved For me:

And, precious friend(s), Please Be Very Richly Encouraged and Edified
In The Lord Jesus Christ and In His Precious Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided:

The Bible: The BIG Picture

Amen.

Brother, when I started to empty out, and that, this is when I started to learn from Him, the love of the truth, from Him.

 

[PS95]

Which do you believe is the correct translation ?
Rom 11:13
NASB An Apostle
KJV....THE Apostle
Rom 15:16
NASB A Minister
KJV...THE Minister
Gal 2:7
NASB gospel TO
KJV....gospel OF

Let's see..
R0 11:13
NASB
13But I am speaking to you who are Gentiles. Inasmuch then as I am an apostle of Gentiles, I magnify my ministry,

KJV-
13For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:

--I see no difference of any consequence. The literal Greek is ---I am of Gentiles apostle.--

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R0 15:16
NASB 95
16to be a minister of Christ Jesus to the Gentiles, ministering as a priest the gospel of God, so that my offering of the Gentiles may become acceptable, sanctified by the Holy Spirit.

KJV
16That I should be the minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles, ministering the gospel of God, that the offering up of the Gentiles might be acceptable, being sanctified by the Holy Ghost.

--Again I see no difference of any consequence
Greek literal "for the to be me minister"
Instead of getting stuck on a and the- how about reading it where Paul says "THE GOSPEL of GOD" Paul taught here and elsewhere that there is ONE GOSPEL and any other is accursed.
You have 2 gospels. I don't and neither did Paul.
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Galatians 2:7
NASB
But on the contrary, seeing that I had been entrusted with the gospel to the uncircumcised, just as Peter had been to the circumcised

KJV
But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;

Again- no consequence. the word here is the definite article, ho- Greek literal ( gospel the uncircumcised/ gospel the circumcised)

Lexicon
ho, hé, to: the
1. the
{sometimes to be supplied, at others omitted, in English idiom}
Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
the, this, that, one, he, she, it
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This thread is about a believer's preference in a particular translation. I have no doubt that @shepherdsword does not believe in 2 gospels, nor do the vast majority of those who prefer the KJV or any translation.
Therefore, I would caution you not to attempt to turn this thread into that argument. It is clearly unscriptural, and it's a shame that you attempt to do this on every single thread!
It's divisive to the body of Christ. I want no part in it. You've been admonished on here more than once. Now, i feel it's it is time to reject you.

King James Bible
A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject;

New King James Version
Reject a divisive man after the first and second admonition,

New American Standard Bible
Reject a divisive person after a first and second warning,

hairetikos: Heretical, factious
1. schismatic, discordant, divisive
Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
heretic.

Romans 16:17
Now I urge you, brothers, to watch out for those who create divisions and obstacles that are contrary to the teaching you have learned. Turn away from them.
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I hope that you will see the error in this. Jesus made Jews and Greeks into one body- one flock with one Shepherd one faith, one hope, one baptism, one. You are dividing what Christ made. You need to stop.

King James Bible
Jo 10:16
And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

Eph 2-
11Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; 12That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of
promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: 13But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
14For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; 15Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; 16And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby: 17And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh. 18For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.

Ephesians 4
1I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called, 2With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love; 3Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. 4There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; 5One Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

 

[Seeding Loving]

i agree,............. but please consider...................... when we look at the differences in the many Versions, we could point to some of these differences and say..... wow ! that is a huge, huge difference in the way the passage is translated,

even, giving this sentence a totally different meaning, if we did not have the rest of the surrounding body of text for subject context.

and some translations go wild ... but with all of these differences in the Translations that may cater strongly to a particular denomination, the difference is not caused or unfolding by the minor variants / differences within the Original Greek Manuscripts themselves......

a variant simply refers to something that differs slightly from a standard form, a norm, or its original version.

a variant describes a divergence, but it does not automatically mean the difference is major difference or changing of the original completely, a missing partial sentence, a missing word, another word used, an extra sentence.

these minor and few variants within the Manuscripts are not what Christians are in disagreement about within their denominational systems of faith, and not what they are basing their alterations upon for their faith system.

For example - - - The Catholic Bible is based upon the same Manuscript of Greek that has the same exact precise overall message in its original message, saying the same thing as all other manuscripts, Catholics purposefully choose to alter their translations to model their faith - and this alteration was an evolution of Catholic Bible Translations that evolved under revised versions throughout the centuries.

 

[PeterAndroz]

Let's see..
R0 11:13
NASB
13But I am speaking to you who are Gentiles. Inasmuch then as I am an apostle of Gentiles, I magnify my ministry,

KJV-
13For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:

--I see no difference of any consequence. The literal Greek is ---I am of Gentiles apostle.--

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R0 15:16
NASB 95
16to be a minister of Christ Jesus to the Gentiles, ministering as a priest the gospel of God, so that my offering of the Gentiles may become acceptable, sanctified by the Holy Spirit.

KJV
16That I should be the minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles, ministering the gospel of God, that the offering up of the Gentiles might be acceptable, being sanctified by the Holy Ghost.

--Again I see no difference of any consequence
Greek literal "for the to be me minister"
Instead of getting stuck on a and the- how about reading it where Paul says "THE GOSPEL of GOD" Paul taught here and elsewhere that there is ONE GOSPEL and any other is accursed.
You have 2 gospels. I don't and neither did Paul.
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Galatians 2:7
NASB
But on the contrary, seeing that I had been entrusted with the gospel to the uncircumcised, just as Peter had been to the circumcised

KJV
But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;

Again- no consequence. the word here is the definite article, ho- Greek literal ( gospel the uncircumcised/ gospel the circumcised)

Lexicon
ho, hé, to: the
1. the
{sometimes to be supplied, at others omitted, in English idiom}
Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
the, this, that, one, he, she, it
----------

This thread is about a believer's preference in a particular translation. I have no doubt that @shepherdsword does not believe in 2 gospels, nor do the vast majority of those who prefer the KJV or any translation.
Therefore, I would caution you not to attempt to turn this thread into that argument. It is clearly unscriptural, and it's a shame that you attempt to do this on every single thread!
It's divisive to the body of Christ. I want no part in it. You've been admonished on here more than once. Now, i feel it's it is time to reject you.

King James Bible
A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject;

New King James Version
Reject a divisive man after the first and second admonition,

New American Standard Bible
Reject a divisive person after a first and second warning,

hairetikos: Heretical, factious
1. schismatic, discordant, divisive
Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
heretic.

Romans 16:17
Now I urge you, brothers, to watch out for those who create divisions and obstacles that are contrary to the teaching you have learned. Turn away from them.
----------------------
I hope that you will see the error in this. Jesus made Jews and Greeks into one body- one flock with one Shepherd one faith, one hope, one baptism, one. You are dividing what Christ made. You need to stop.

King James Bible
Jo 10:16
And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

Eph 2-
11Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; 12That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of
promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: 13But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
14For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; 15Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; 16And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby: 17And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh. 18For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.

Ephesians 4
1I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called, 2With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love; 3Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. 4There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; 5One Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

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""I see no difference of any consequence. ""
An opinion that many other Scholars reject.
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Acts 9:15, Rom 11:13, Rom 15:16, Gal 2:7-9
According to those verses who teaches you the saving gospel for today ?
List the saving gospel verses from that Apostle.