What Christian is not doing the works of the flesh?

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@Always Believing

Romans 1:31-32
31 “Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.”

I see equal condemnation to those who do these things.
Also, the idea that one cannot practice sin but we will always commit some kind of sin in this life by popular Christianity is false.
This means one can commit murder every decade or two and it's okay with God because one is not doing it all the time. Granted, I am not saying we cannot be forgiven of that, but if we say we must sin again because we are fallen, then that is a future declaration that one is going to sin again against God when one does not know the future and when the Scriptures teach we can overcome sin in this life. Again, don't believe me. Believe the Scriptures: See again Galatians 5:24, 1 Peter 4:1-2, 2 Corinthians 7:1.

BELIEVE.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

I stopped promising God and myself that I will not do a work of the flesh anymore, and I have heard others talking and teaching about it, but I have not seen anyone saying they aren't doing it.

I stopped getting caught up with different teachings a while ago, and I'm not looking for just another one to think about. Some I agree with and some I don't and some I don't know what they're talking about, which is fine, because those things are not what make us saved by Jesus Christ. The only thing that matters to me is being forgiven and saved by Jesus and that is by confessing my sin from the heart to Jesus when I sin, and being forgiven and saved.

I no longer sin all the time nor try to, but I do want to stop doing carnal works of the flesh if possible, and if someone is really freed from doing them, then I want to hear from them how that is. If it is by a teaching, then I want to hear it and see for myself. So if a Christian is still doing a work of the flesh here and there like I am, then I'm sure your teaching is fine, but I am looking for results, not just another teaching that does not deliver the goods when practiced faithfully.

Have you received any post from others where they have stopped doing the works of the flesh? That is not me. But at first I thought your thread was meant to prove as you don’t see the results of freedom from the works of the flesh….then others must not have freedom from works of the flesh either. But in reading your OP again, it sounds as if you sincerely want others who have witnessed the results of freedom from works of the flesh…to share how they have that freedom from the works of the flesh because you are sincerely are interested in knowing how they have that freedom? Did i misunderstand?

 

[VictoryinJesus]

If you are not doing any works of the flesh, then I want to hear from you. But if you are, then I already know how to do that.

you said “But if you are, then I already know how to do that.”
I can relate ..tell me something I don’t know.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

you said “But if you are, then I already know how to do that.”
I can relate ..tell me something I don’t know.

It is like: tell me about having a good conversation in Christ.
If you came to tell to me about having a conversation in the world in lust of the eyes, the pride of life…that conversation, then, I know it already having walked in that conversation of the world of lust and pride.
Tell me about having a good conversation in Christ…that one, I would like to have a good conversation in Christ…but that conversation in the world keeps coming up, that which I know and have lived.
Tell me something “You Live”which leads to freedom, not that which I have already lived which I can see led to death and not freedom.

 

[Always Believing]

It is written,

5 "Trust ye not in a friend, put ye not confidence in a guide: keep the doors of thy mouth from her that lieth in thy bosom.
6 For the son dishonoureth the father, the daughter riseth up against her mother, the daughter in law against her mother in law; a man's enemies are the men of his own house." (Micah 7:5-6).

In addition, would you believe me if I told you about my life? Well, trust needs to be earned. I confide in those who believe the Word of God as I do. Furthermore, it does not matter if most of the whole world was not living correctly. God's Word is still the standard and the standard is not my life alone. God destroyed an entire world with a global flood except for eight people. We walk by faith and not by sight. I am not above God's Word in what it says anymore than you are. If the Bible tells me to be ye holy, that is something I have to accept (Whether I like it or not).

My issue with most of Christianity today is that they are not believing all of the Scriptures. They pick and choose what parts to believe in. Also, you did not really explain the passage put forth to you that demolishes your belief. Making it personal is of course a standard tactic so as not deal with the text I showed you.

Of course I would believe you. I don't need to hear about your life. I only ask if you are a Christian that is not doing works of the flesh anymore. If so, then I want to hear your instruction and exactly how you accomplish it. I am not interested in more teachings from people who are living the same as I do. They are interesting and can be debated for the sake of knowledge, but not here. I am looking for people who teach and are doing the results of it. So, if you can't answer the question plainly, then I'll take it as another no, and wait for someone else.

There are two kinds of Christians in the world, saints and sinners. Saints are not doing the works of the flesh anymore, and sinners like me still are. Which are you?

 

[Always Believing]

This is probably lost on you AB but I will post it anyway....

John 8:31-36
31Then Jesus said to those Jews who believed Him, “If you abide in My word, you are My disciples indeed. 32And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.”
33They answered Him, “We are Abraham’s descendants, and have never been in bondage to anyone. How can You say, ‘You will be made free’?”
34Jesus answered them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, whoever commits sin is a slave of sin. 35And a slave does not abide in the house forever, but a son abides forever. 36Therefore if the Son makes you free, you shall be free indeed.

No problem. And in another area I would be glad to go over it with you, but I'm trying to stay focused on this certain posting. And when I say Christian philosopher I am not saying it negatively, but only that there is a time and place for such things and is not here.

To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven. (Ecclesiastes 3:1)

 

[Always Believing]

We all understand that because of the sin of Adam we all his offspring, inherit sin and death. None of us will ever be perfect in this wicked world we're living in now. However we do have to keep what God's word has to say in our minds also. Like at Galatians 5:19-21 it says, "Now the works of the flesh are plainly seen, and they are sexual immorality, uncleanness, brazen conduct, idolatry, spiritism, hostility, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, dissensions, divisions, sects, envy, drunkenness, wild parties, and things like these. I am forewarning you about these things, the same way I already warned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit God’s Kingdom. The apostle Paul was talking to the members of the Galatian congregation when he was inspired to write Galatian 5:19-21, he wasn't speaking to people in the world who were not baptized members of the congregation.

Now we must understand that scriptures like Galatians 5:19-21 is talking about those who are practicing sin. There's a difference between someone who practices sin and someone who commits a sin or makes a mistake because of weakness. I agree that we should always strive to abstain from sin but that doesn't mean we're going to be perfect at that. But like I said, there is a difference between someone who commits a sin and someone who practices sin.

For example a person may commit a serious sin like adultery. But committing this sin and practicing this sin are two different things. Like a married person may cheat on his/her spouse by sleeping with someone else but then feel guilty and confess their sin to God and ask for forgiveness, and then confess to their innocent spouse. Such a person who genuinely is repentant when they confess their sin to God will be forgiven. Exactly what will happen between the married couple will be up to the married couple, whether they stay together or not.

But let's take the same married couple and a married person is not just committing a sin but having an affair that has been going on for awhile and when the innocent spouse finds out about it, the spouse who is having the affair doesn't stop with the affair but continues with the affair, which shows such a person isn't truly sorry or repentant for what he/she is doing. This is practicing sin. This doesn't mean this person is beyond repentance because if such a person eventually comes to his/her senses and is truly repentant and asks forgiveness will be forgiven.

You are me are the same and I do agree with you about how we Christians no longer try to run with the devil and are proud of it, but we Christian sinners still do sin and commit a work of the flesh.

But I do not agree with you about being born a sinner and so we cannot repent from doing works of the flesh entirely. When I do sin it is all my fault and not my body's not the devil's nor Adam's nor my parents nor anyone else's fault nor even responsibility for it. I reject the devil made me do it, and also my own body or Adam himself. Others can influence me, and the devil is is always trying to tempt me. But the only one to blame for me sinning is me, myself, and I alone. It is only my own sinful desires to corrupt the normal things of the flesh that lead me to sin against God adn even my own body's good health. And it is up to me and me alone to confess it without excuse to Jesus, and He will forgive and restore me to Himself when I do it.

Let no one say when he is tempted, "I am tempted by God"; for God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He Himself tempt anyone.
But each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed. Then, when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, brings forth death. (James 1.13-15)

I know there are Christians saints unlike us that believe we can stop doing the works of the flesh, and that is the one I am looking for here. But I do appreciate your teaching that I mostly agree with. It's just that on this thread I am not looking for teaching on how to do what I am already doing like you.

 

[Always Believing]

I know several Christians who have no known sin in their lives. That is not sinless perfection, it's the end of practicing the same sins over and over. This is what John was referring to, but many have taken it the wrong way and believe John is speaking of sinless perfection.

Personally, it took many years for me, the last practicing sin to overcome for me was smoking cigarettes and cigars. I won that victory just recently, maybe a year ago.

I can say that I no longer practice sin! Far from perfect in character and nature, but no more continuation of repeating the same sins over and over.

What I gave you in my previous post is what I was taught to overcome practicing sin. Some will reach this goal sooner than others, for me, the hardest thing I have ever done in my life was to lay down the smoking, I struggled many years knowing I had to let it go.

As I said, I became sick of it, sick of living with sin, I finally said it's got to go, that's when the Holy Spirit took care of it, The moment I began working with Him instead of against Him in my own will.

It's all about total surrender! He will take care of the rest at that point.

Well, amen then. I believe you when you are able to say plainly that you are not sinning anymore and doing the works of the flesh, and I will go back and look at what you wrote along with what you have here.

In the meantime, what is the difference between not sinning with the flesh and being perfect in character and nature? Isn't your heart pure and perfect toward Jesus? Don't you now have the divine nature of Christ?

Blessed are the pure in heart, For they shall see God. (Matthew 5.8)

I will behave wisely in a perfect way. Oh, when will You come to me? I will walk within my house with a perfect heart. (Psalm 101.2)

"And give my son Solomon a loyal heart to keep Your commandments and Your testimonies and Your statutes, to do all these things, and to build the temple for which I have made provision." (1 Chron 29.19)

So continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, they ate their food with gladness and simplicity of heart, praising God and having favor with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily those who were being saved. (Acts 2.46-47)

Grace and peace be multiplied to you in the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord, as His divine power has given to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of Him who called us by glory and virtue, by which have been given to us exceedingly great and precious promises, that through these you may be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust. (2 Peter 1.2-4)

I am not like you and have put away every work of the flesh and am not able to say it. I cannot say at this time that I am not going to, because I know I have repented of them completely, but that does not mean that I do not have a loyal and single heart towards Jesus and am not having His divine nature, when I am not doing that work of the flesh. I am not at all sinning like I used to with gusto, and I am not sinning all the time. I just know that when I do sin again, that I do not have the fellowship and joy and peace of God's Holy Spirit and divine power and nature working in me.

And so the interesting thing is that if I were in a state of full repentance as you, then I would not be trying to qualify it by suggesting I am not pure of heart toward Jesus and do not have His divine nature and power fully within me, because I do most of the time and know the difference between being right with God and sinning against Him. Unless you are saying something else.

 

[Always Believing]

I’m the one you want to hear from (sorry if this sounds boastful - it’s not intentional).

Do these things:

Read the Bible frequently and completely.

Meditate on the word of God when not reading it.

Keep your thoughts on God as often as possible.

Be ready to suffer wrong doing at any moment so as to not fall into the trap of the flesh.

Quench the flesh immediately once you recognize it’s guiding your actions.

Rebuke unclean thoughts with the word God (reading and meditation will facilitate this).

Remember how Christ suffered for your salvation and suddenly all the problems you face will become trivial.

1-3 I do, and number three I do all day long. I purposely practice believing and knowing that I am believing Jesus is my Lord and Savior and I am saved by Him.

Explain 4: I am not a pacifist and I do not at all believe Christ teaches pacifism. It's one thing to be persecuted for Him, and it's another thing to be attacked for cash or attempted rape and murder and of course there is soldiering which I still do in my heart. You could even bring up being handed to little change when buying something. However I am not a road-rage idiot. And I don't care about the finger, unless they get too close with it.

How exactly do you do 5 and 6? I know what pushing off thoughts are, but it doesn't guarantee anything. And I'd not blame my body for anything either.

And #7 is what I have never considered. I focus on His resurrection and life in me, and I acknowledge His blood shed to forgive me when I sin. But I do not think of His suffering, when I know I am being tempted. It sounds good, but do you have Bible for that?

You are one I am glad to listen to with hope of becoming like you in my walk with Jesus, but that does not mean I'll just swallow anything you have to say. If I am going to do it like you, then I am going to have to believe it like you. I've been down the road of believing what sounds good and not finding the results I am looking for when doing it. That is where everyone has their own favorite teaching, which can all have some importance, but here I am only looking for results.

There are, it may be, so many kinds of voices in the world, and none of them is without significance. (1 Cor 14.10)

Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I have become sounding brass or a clanging cymbal. (1 Cor 13.1)

Then the brethren immediately sent Paul and Silas away by night to Berea. When they arrived, they went into the synagogue of the Jews. These were more fair-minded than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness, and searched the Scriptures daily to find out whether these things were so. (Acts 17.10-11)

As long as you're being fair about it, then I I will be fair minded about what you say.

 

[Always Believing]

@Always Believing

Romans 1:31-32
31 “Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.”

I see equal condemnation to those who do these things.
Also, the idea that one cannot practice sin but we will always commit some kind of sin in this life by popular Christianity is false.
This means one can commit murder every decade or two and it's okay with God because one is not doing it all the time. Granted, I am not saying we cannot be forgiven of that, but if we say we must sin again because we are fallen, then that is a future declaration that one is going to sin again against God when one does not know the future and when the Scriptures teach we can overcome sin in this life. Again, don't believe me. Believe the Scriptures: See again Galatians 5:24, 1 Peter 4:1-2, 2 Corinthians 7:1.

BELIEVE.

I never said I don't believe anything you say, and I completely agree with what you are teaching here, but why aren't you wiling to say you are doing it by not doing the works of the flesh you refer to and are written in other place of the Bible? I agree with your teaching and do not say I must sin again at all, but I cannot say I am no longer doing the works of the flesh and will not.

What about you? Another Christian saint has said so clearly, and so on this posting, that is who I want to hear from on how to do it. You're not teaching anything I am not already practicing while still doing work of the flesh. Maybe not today but I cannot say I have confidence I won't tomorrow or the next. And as you say tomorrow is not for sure.

What I am looking for is at least the confidence to believe I won't in future and so I don't even think about it. It's no longer in the cards so to speak. Are you one that is not doing those works at all, and know you don't have to and have confidence enough to believe you will still be right with God in times to come?

"Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about its own things. Sufficient for the day is its own trouble." (Matthew 6.34)

 

[Behold]

@Always Believing

Romans 1:31-32
31 “Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.”

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This verse is not talking to or abot the born again.
The context is verse 27.
Its talking about Homosexuals.

 

[Always Believing]

Have you received any post from others where they have stopped doing the works of the flesh? That is not me. But at first I thought your thread was meant to prove as you don’t see the results of freedom from the works of the flesh….then others must not have freedom from works of the flesh either. But in reading your OP again, it sounds as if you sincerely want others who have witnessed the results of freedom from works of the flesh…to share how they have that freedom from the works of the flesh because you are sincerely are interested in knowing how they have that freedom? Did i misunderstand?

No you got it exactly right. I have grown tired of hearing or even believing many teachings that do not produce the results I am looking for to become a Christian saint and not a Christian sinner as I am now. It has nothing to do with being saved or not, and I don't reject either of them, just because I am on the sinner side. I have known saints that say sinners are not saved, and sinners who say saints are lying. I don't agree with any of that.

I am one who gives honor their due. I have known soldiers who could be described as the perfect solider and honored them for it. I was not. I was pretty good at it, but not like them. It's the same in Christ Jesus, because Paul says we are to be good soldiers in Christ. The saint to me is the best soldier at what we are supposed to be doing which is not sinning against Jesus by a work of the flesh.

And yes, someone has come forward and stated it plainly on this thread, and I am hearing what that person has to say on how they do it, and if I believe it and practice it, I at least have hope of being able to say the same. I have also heard from people who teach it as doctrine only, but will not say it for themselves, and so I'm not interested in their doctrinal ideals that does not get someone anywhere closer to being a saint than I already am. They are interesting and debatable, but just not serious enough to take to heart. I have learned not to take teachings to heart so that it effects my salvation by Jesus, whether I agree with them or not. As James said, many teachings come and go like the waves of the sea, but only believing Jesus and confessing Him sincerely from the heart is solid salvation by Him.

I do not at all sin like I used to with gusto for the devil, and I am quite saintly in Christ more often than not, but I cannot at all say I will be everyday to come. I want to hear from those saints who do at least say it, that maybe by following their lead, I may even be able to say the same.

I do not say I am not saved because I don't, but I sure would like to be able to. As soldiers in the military I knew I could not possibly be as elite as some others I knew, and I didn't worry about it, and they never did nor really dared to look down on my own professional abilities, but in Christ Jesus I do not see any reason why any Christian sinner like me cannot become a Christian saint at any time in this life.

 

[Always Believing]

you said “But if you are, then I already know how to do that.”
I can relate ..tell me something I don’t know.

Sorry, typo. If you are not a Christian saint that can say you are not doing the works of the flesh and have confidence in not do them in future either, then we are the same. It's not a matter of judgment or condemnation, but just a matter of how we are living as Christians in the same body of Christ.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

#7 is what I have never considered.

Remember how Christ suffered for your salvation and suddenly all the problems you face will become trivial.

It sounds good, but do you have Bible for that?

“…the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.” (Romans 8:18)

“Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin; That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God.” (1 Peter 4:1-2)

 

[Charlie24]

Well, amen then. I believe you when you are able to say plainly that you are not sinning anymore and doing the works of the flesh, and I will go back and look at what you wrote along with what you have here.

In the meantime, what is the difference between not sinning with the flesh and being perfect in character and nature? Isn't your heart pure and perfect toward Jesus? Don't you now have the divine nature of Christ?

Blessed are the pure in heart, For they shall see God. (Matthew 5.8)

I will behave wisely in a perfect way. Oh, when will You come to me? I will walk within my house with a perfect heart. (Psalm 101.2)

"And give my son Solomon a loyal heart to keep Your commandments and Your testimonies and Your statutes, to do all these things, and to build the temple for which I have made provision." (1 Chron 29.19)

So continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, they ate their food with gladness and simplicity of heart, praising God and having favor with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily those who were being saved. (Acts 2.46-47)

Grace and peace be multiplied to you in the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord, as His divine power has given to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of Him who called us by glory and virtue, by which have been given to us exceedingly great and precious promises, that through these you may be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust. (2 Peter 1.2-4)

I am not like you and have put away every work of the flesh and am not able to say it. I cannot say at this time that I am not going to, because I know I have repented of them completely, but that does not mean that I do not have a loyal and single heart towards Jesus and am not having His divine nature, when I am not doing that work of the flesh. I am not at all sinning like I used to with gusto, and I am not sinning all the time. I just know that when I do sin again, that I do not have the fellowship and joy and peace of God's Holy Spirit and divine power and nature working in me.

And so the interesting thing is that if I were in a state of full repentance as you, then I would not be trying to qualify it by suggesting I am not pure of heart toward Jesus and do not have His divine nature and power fully within me, because I do most of the time and know the difference between being right with God and sinning against Him. Unless you are saying something else.

Not all of us take the same understanding from Paul's letters. I don't want the rock the boat, so to speak, because all of us who are trusting in Christ are born-again. It's not doctrine that we are demanded to get correct, it's the object of our faith that we must get right, that being what Christ did for us at Calvary.

Paul teaches at Calvary the believer has been set free from sin, he has been "baptized into Christ" in a new environment. This is not water baptism as some suppose, it's the Holy Spirit, at the point of coming to faith in Christ, immersing us in Christ, the new environment. Water baptism is the public confession of what has happened to us in the spirit. This is why we are commanded to call on the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit at water baptism, they all had an unseen hand in that "baptism into Christ" and it's made seen to the public in this ritual, confessing what the Godhead has done for you.

At this point Paul tells we are a new creature in Christ Jesus, old things are passed and all things have become new. In other words we now have the Holy Spirit of God dwelling inside us and we are God conscious.

Now here comes the problem for some of us! Paul told us we have been set free from sin, we don't have to sin any longer. Then he points to something most have no idea exists in Scripture, and this is the problem with many believing in sinless perfection, that our new nature is now sinless. This is not true and I will show you why.

There is one chapter in all of the Bible that theologians call "the heart of Scripture," it is Rom. 6. As Paul enters into this all important chapter for the believer, he introduces something that most believers miss, and then we have the sinless perfection misunderstanding.

Rom. 5:21
"That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord."

In the Greek, the word sin in this verse has attached to it the "definite article." What it does is change the word "sin" from a verb to a noun! The definite article is referenced as "the." So what Paul is saying is this,

"That as "the sin" hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.

"The sin" is a direct referral to the sin of Adam and Eve in the Garden, where they fell from the innocence nature to the fallen nature. Going into the all important Rom. 6, Paul has introduced the sin nature.

Notice! "That sin (the sin nature) hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord."

The sin that Paul is speaking of here are not the acts of sin (a verb) it is a thing, a nature (a noun).

Paul goes on to tell us the struggle we have with this sin nature, he uses his own life experiences to explain it. The idea is that this sin nature will not "have dominion over us" but will remain dormant as long as our faith in Christ is practiced, but when we are enticed by sin, and give in to sin, the sin nature will rise to the occasion. It will take dominance over the believer. This is proven with many of us backsliding for a season here and there. We have taken our eyes off Christ and have been swept away by sin, and the sin nature comes alive.

This is what I keep a close watch on in my relationship with Christ. I know I can be swept away and backslide with the sin nature that dwells inside me coming alive. Theologians say the sin nature is left in us as a check/a measuring device to see we are heading into trouble. When it begins to rise it will be very evident as to what is happening.

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

Always Believing said,
But I do not agree with you about being born a sinner and so we cannot repent from doing works of the flesh entirely.[/QUOTE\]

No one in this wicked world we're living in will live a sinless life. We all make mistakes.
We all still die, so we all are born in sin. Death is the punishment for sin. The suffering we see in the world is because we all are born in sin. Someone born with a disease or birth defect is because we're born in sin. We all are born with a sinful nature. This is because Adam and Eve chose to disobey God, they became sinners, imperfect and past on sin and imperfection and death to their offspring.

Psalm 51:5 says, "Look! I was born guilty of error,
And my mother conceived me in sin."

Reasons for various suffering today is sin, because of our first human parents, Adam and Eve. YHWH God(Jehovah) created them perfect and put them in paradise surroundings. If they had obeyed God, they would and their offspring, would never have grew old or gotten sick or died. They could have enjoyed perfect human life forever. Sin which produces suffering of all kinds was not part of YHWH God(Jehovah) purpose for mankind. But YHWH God(Jehovah) clearly told Adam that continued enjoyment of what he had given them depended on obedience. Obviously, they had to breathe, eat, drink, and sleep in order to continue living, but they had to keep God’s moral requirements in order to enjoy life fully and to be favored with such life forever. But they chose to go their own way, to set their own standards of good and bad, and thus they turned away from God, the Life-Giver. (Genesis 2:16, 17; 3:1-6) Sin led to death. It was as sinners that Adam and Eve produced children, and they could not pass on to their children what they no longer had.(sinless perfect humans)We are all born in sin, with inclinations toward wrongdoing, weaknesses that could lead to illness, a sinful inheritance that would eventually result in death. Because everyone on earth today was born in sin, all of us experience suffering in various ways.(Genesis 8:21; Roman 5:12)

Romans 6:12-14 says, "Therefore, do not let sin continue to rule as king in your mortal bodies so that you should obey their desires. Neither go on presenting your bodies to sin as weapons of unrighteousness, but present yourselves to God as those alive from the dead, also your bodies to God as weapons of righteousness. For sin must not be master over you, seeing that you are not under law but under undeserved kindness.

Roman 6:12-14 doesn't mean a human being will be perfect without sin. Human beings still die some are still born with genetic defects, and deseases, we all still grow old and die, this is because we're all born in sin.

1 John 2:1 says, "My little children, I am writing you these things so that you may not commit a sin. And yet, if anyone does commit a sin, we have a helper with the Father, Jesus Christ, a righteous one."
Although John didn't want his fellow Christians to commit a sin he knew because we're all born in sin, there will possibly be those who will commit a sin and those that do, if they are truly repentant they will be forgiven when they ask YHWH God in his son name Jesus Christ for that forgiveness.

 

[Blue Dragonfly's]

How do you live?

Your question indicates your focus. Navel gazing is the prison we love.....if it wasn't it wouldn't be engaged.

 

[quietthinker]

No problem. And in another area I would be glad to go over it with you, but I'm trying to stay focused on this certain posting. And when I say Christian philosopher I am not saying it negatively, but only that there is a time and place for such things and is not here.

To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven. (Ecclesiastes 3:1)

Luke 9:57-62
57As they were walking along the road, a man said to him, “I will follow you wherever you go.”
58Jesus replied, “Foxes have dens and birds have nests, but the Son of Man has no place to lay his head.”
59He said to another man, “Follow me.”
But he replied, “Lord, first let me go and bury my father.”
60Jesus said to him, “Let the dead bury their own dead, but you go and proclaim the kingdom of God.”
61Still another said, “I will follow you, Lord; but first let me go back and say goodbye to my family.”
62Jesus replied, “No one who puts a hand to the plow and looks back is fit for service in the kingdom of God.”

 

[quietthinker]

How do you live?

Come and see :)......words are cheap.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

I stopped promising God and myself that I will not do a work of the flesh anymore, and I have heard others talking and teaching about it, but I have not seen anyone saying they aren't doing it.

I stopped getting caught up with different teachings a while ago, and I'm not looking for just another one to think about. Some I agree with and some I don't and some I don't know what they're talking about, which is fine, because those things are not what make us saved by Jesus Christ. The only thing that matters to me is being forgiven and saved by Jesus and that is by confessing my sin from the heart to Jesus when I sin, and being forgiven and saved.

I no longer sin all the time nor try to, but I do want to stop doing carnal works of the flesh if possible, and if someone is really freed from doing them, then I want to hear from them how that is. If it is by a teaching, then I want to hear it and see for myself. So if a Christian is still doing a work of the flesh here and there like I am, then I'm sure your teaching is fine, but I am looking for results, not just another teaching that does not deliver the goods when practiced faithfully.

It is good that you stopped promising God you are not going to do a work of the flesh anymore. I can relate. I also had to come to a place where I realized that I was still weak in my flesh, but that God was stronger than I was and I needed His strength in me. This is exactly why Jesus said we MUST be born again. You haven't been. I went to church for 30 years before I came to this realization that I couldn't keep God's laws on my own. It was then that I could truly repent of that weakness called the sin nature. That is what you need - the death of your sin nature and be born again with a new nature, one that does not love the works of the flesh (Galatians 5:19-21). BTW, ever since I became born again I don't even want to do any of those things. Jesus took the whole desire away by killing my sin nature by His Spirit. Therefore, this is what you need to do.

Ask.

Luke 11:
9 “So I say to you, ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. 10 For everyone who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened. 11 If a son asks for bread from any father among you, will he give him a stone? Or if he asks for a fish, will he give him a serpent instead of a fish? 12 Or if he asks for an egg, will he offer him a scorpion? 13 If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him!”