What do you think of Billy Graham?

[Follower]

Billy Graham seems like a reasonably good man. His life has been free of scandal. I've not heard him promote heresies. If Graham were any better of a man, it would have eaten into his popularity. He did tell Larry King, when asked, that he doesn't Judge Muslims, Jews, etc. But, when King pressed him and asked about about preachers who do condemn those who reject Jesus, Graham defended these preachers by saying there's some truth to what those preachers say.Other "Christians" have gone a lot further on Larry King in suggesting that Jesus died for nothing.

 

[tim_from_pa]

(Jordan;61317)
Ok, ok, ok, but seriously, even at old age, should we allow ourselves to be so softened, that it might cause us to be in trouble with the Lord? I don't know about you, but I don't want to get into trouble with my God, and my Lord.
The answer is no. We should not soften up. But that is a human tendency which tells me he might have been working in the flesh to begin with, but I'll let God decide that one. This is why I used Balaam's example. If Tom's father-in-law was led to the Lord by this man, that is possible.I'll give an example. We have a woman that teaches our class in church who reminds me much of Christina and we are close. This same woman came to Christ with one of the TV evangelists and touching the TV screen and all that good stuff.Now 30 years later since she has grown (and devotes several hours a day to bible study and Strong's concordance) and she ironically is hard on TV evangelists. Actually when we get away from the milk, we see that some of the stuff is infantile. But the newborns need that.However, I do share your same concern that Billy Graham softened to the point where he no longer believes Christ is the only way. That bothers me tremendously, but I can say that he apparently wasn't originally that way. I'm not sure what went wrong.

 

[Jordan]

(tim_from_pa;61321)
(Jordan;61317)
Ok, ok, ok, but seriously, even at old age, should we allow ourselves to be so softened, that it might cause us to be in trouble with the Lord? I don't know about you, but I don't want to get into trouble with my God, and my Lord.
The answer is no. We should not soften up. But that is a human tendency which tells me he might have been working in the flesh to begin with, but I'll let God decide that one. This is why I used Balaam's example. If Tom's father-in-law was led to the Lord by this man, that is possible.I'll give an example. We have a woman that teaches our class in church who reminds me much of Christina and we are close. This same woman came to Christ with one of the TV evangelists and touching the TV screen and all that good stuff.Now 30 years later since she has grown (and devotes several hours a day to bible study and Strong's concordance) and she ironically is hard on TV evangelists.Actually when we get away from the milk, we see that some of the stuff is infantile. But the newborns need that.However, I do share your same concern that Billy Graham softened to the point where he no longer believes Christ is the only way. That bothers me tremendously, but I can say that he apparently wasn't originally that way. I'm not sure what went wrong.Ah, So Christina and the woman in your church must be twin sisters.

Or rather maybe one of them is the imposter. You know, one is good, and one of them is evil.

Just kidding with you Christina and Tim. I just couldn't resist making some humour (or at least try) once in a while.

Ok, good judgment call Tim. I understand.

 

[tomwebster]

(Jordan;61314)
I completely disagree with you Tom Webster. He is a fool. He said it on Youtube, that he (Billy Graham) doesn't believe that JESUS CHRIST is the only way for salvation / heaven etc. Denies that Jesus Christ only way to the Father.
I don't mind you disagreeing with me. I guess some day we will find out, I am willing to let God judge BG. Jim Bakker was instrumental in my return to Christ.

 

[Jordan]

(tomwebster;61328)
(Jordan;61314)
I completely disagree with you Tom Webster. He is a fool. He said it on Youtube, that he (Billy Graham) doesn't believe that JESUS CHRIST is the only way for salvation / heaven etc. Denies that Jesus Christ only way to the Father.
I don't mind you disagreeing with me. I guess some day we will find out, I am willing to let God judge BG.Jim Bakker was instrumental in my return to Christ.Amen on that we are willingly to let God judge Billy Graham. And Amen on agree to disagree as well.

Who's Jim Bakker? If you don't mind me asking...

 

[Christina]

One thing to remember here there is a difference in one being called to Evangelize and one being called to pastor (teach) an evangelist is supposed awaken your holy spirit bring God onto your life. This was/is most often done in a revial type situation.You are then supposed to find a Pastor/church or teacher and study Gods Word and learn the deeper truths if scripture this is where you are to learn the meat that sticks to one's ribs (heart)

 

[jtartar]

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=TallMan;59431]he's certainly more popular than Jesus and the apostles were in their life on earth, but is that a good sign?He certainly isn't preaching what they preached about the need to get baptised and receive the Spirit and how it is known when people receive, so maybe I shouldn't compare him with them.[/QUOTE]TallMan, You are perspicacious. It may be true that Billy Graham is more popular that Jesus. Let"s see from the scriptures if that is good or bad. A very telling scripture is Luke 6:26, where we see that WOE, to the one who is well spoken of by all people, because that is what was done to the False prophets. Also Matt 5:10-12. Matt 10:22, and Matt 24:9, tells us that Jesus disciples would be HATED by ALL people. 2Tim 3:12, tells us that ALL of Jesus' disciples WILL be persecuted. Is Billy Graham being persecuted?? What about the warning given by Jesus at John 15:18-20. Here we are told that Jesus was persecuted and his disciples WILL also be persecuted. Contrary to what most people believe it is not the rich, the ones with great worldly wisdom that are God's people. Look who God called; 1Cor 1:26-30, Luke 10:21, says that God has carefully hidden his things from the wise and intellectual ones, but has revealed them to BABES. One other thing to remember: It make no difference how beautifully somethng is presented, if it a lie, it is not God's word. God hates liers and will destroy all liers, Ps 5:6, Rev 21:8, Prov 6:16-19, John 4:23,24, 2Pet 3:15-17. The brutal fact is: Billy Graham is worse to mankind than Hitler was. This is because Hitler could only kill the body. Billy Graham can cause a person to lose out on everlasting life, because so many believe what he teaches, Luke 12:4,5, Matt 23:13-15. Billy Graham has stumbled the very ones that Jesus Christ died for, Matt 18:6,7 Rom 14:15, 1Cor 8:11. Teaching false doctrine then, is the worst crime against humanity.

 

[HammerStone]

I've seen a couple of the videos that supposedly show that Billy Graham said Christ wasn't the only way - which really he arguably didn't come out to say. I don't see such a huge issue when you understand that if you've seen the Son, you've seen the Father (John 14:9). I feel like I'm walking my own line having said that, but I think it needs to be said. Christ is the only way, but remember who Christ is!Are we not talking about the same One that would leave the flock to find the one lost sheep (Luke 14)? I have a problem with condemning someone who has arguably brought at least some to God. We'll all have our mistakes, but how many folks have seen Billy and then picked up the Bible and gone deeper as Christina said?I do agree with jtartar that the popular way isn't always the best, but there just seems more to the story here. I really hesitate to condemn a man that has spent a life getting folks at least interested in our Father and His Son over some vague statements made in his later years.And finally, when you get back to his Words, he specifically says know Christ at that time in at least one interview. That statement, to me, suggests that they are gonna know Christ eventually, which is the way.

 

[Jordan]

(Swamp Fox;61349)
I've seen a couple of the videos that supposedly show that Billy Graham said Christ wasn't the only way - which really he arguably didn't come out to say. I don't see such a huge issue when you understand that if you've seen the Son, you've seen the Father (John 14:9). I feel like I'm walking my own line having said that, but I think it needs to be said. Christ is the only way, but remember who Christ is!Are we not talking about the same One that would leave the flock to find the one lost sheep (Luke 14)? I have a problem with condemning someone who has arguably brought at least some to God. We'll all have our mistakes, but how many folks have seen Billy and then picked up the Bible and gone deeper as Christina said?I do agree with jtartar that the popular way isn't always the best, but there just seems more to the story here. I really hesitate to condemn a man that has spent a life getting folks at least interested in our Father and His Son over some vague statements made in his later years.And finally, when you get back to his Words, he specifically says know Christ at that time in at least one interview. That statement, to me, suggests that they are gonna know Christ eventually, which is the way.
Just wanted to ask you a question Swamp Fox, but who is comdemning Billy Graham?

 

[HammerStone]

Well, many of the folks here saying that those that "follow" him will be "damned to hell" or others that keep quoting about him not making it to heaven. I understand II John and the implications of false doctrine, but remember also that we're to judge doctrines, not the person. Father knows his heart and his ultimate judgment will not be made by man.

 

[tomwebster]

(Jordan;61334)
....Who's Jim Bakker? If you don't mind me asking...
Jim Bakker is the former head of the PTL club (a formerly popular TV ministry) and spent time in Federal prison for fraud.

 

[Jordan]

(Swamp Fox;61353)
Well, many of the folks here saying that those that "follow" him will be "damned to hell" or others that keep quoting about him not making it to heaven. I understand II John and the implications of false doctrine, but remember also that we're to judge doctrines, not the person. Father knows his heart and his ultimate judgment will not be made by man.
I agree 100%. I would say that when one starts preaching and believing false doctrines it gets me the impression that the person has become a fool. if you know what I mean.Once again, I agree, we are only allowed to judge doctrines (John 7:24, Matthew 7:16-20) and not the man. (John 8:15, I John 4:1) For God is the only Judge.

(Romans 3:6, Hebrews 12:23, Hebrews 13:4)(tomwebster;61354)
(Jordan;61334)
...Who's Jim Bakker? If you don't mind me asking...
Jim Bakker is the former head of the PTL club (a formerly popular TV ministry) and spent time in Federal prison for fraud.Thanks for the info.

 

[Follower]

(Jordan;61334)
Who's Jim Bakker? If you don't mind me asking...
Jim Bakker is a pentecostal preacher and was a preacher in the Assemblies of God denomination. In the 1980s, he was was of the most popular preachers in America, thanks to his TV show. He was also one of the most corrupt preachers in America. He is a natural con-man who could lie straight to his viewers every day without showing a twitch of guilt. He was doing such things as stealing money and having homosexual affairs. He went to prison and was defrocked. He and his wife, infamous for wearing heavy makeup, divorced and she went on to rub elbows with pornographers and homosexuals, before dying of cancer. He is remarried and now has a small TV ministry televised from a restaurant. He still enjoys an opulent lifestyle. I say this to contrast Jim Baker with Billy Graham. Billy Graham looks very good standing next to just about any pentacostal or mega-church preacher.

 

[tim_from_pa]

It's funny that we are all talking about Billy Graham and then I stumbled across one of his old ministries as I was channel surfing tonight. It was an evangelistic message from 1957, two years before I was born. He sounded OK to me. What he preached was very basic, but that was the object to get people to come to Christ. Otherwise, I did not find anything doctrinally wrong in the 10 or so minutes I was listening.However, I did notice that tendency later on as it's been pointed out regarding him softening up on Christ. Again, I think he started OK and just went south so-to-speak.

 

[Jordan]

(tim_from_pa;61415)
It's funny that we are all talking about Billy Graham and then I stumbled across one of his old ministries as I was channel surfing tonight. It was an evangelistic message from 1957, two years before I was born. He sounded OK to me. What he preached was very basic, but that was the object to get people to come to Christ. Otherwise, I did not find anything doctrinally wrong in the 10 or so minutes I was listening.However, I did notice that tendency later on as it's been pointed out regarding him softening up on Christ. Again, I think he started OK and just went south so-to-speak.
As once again I agree with you Tim.

Youtube video of Billy Graham saying Jesus Christ is the only way to Heaven!Youtube video of Billy Graham denying Christ - a soft water answer / He went south!