David in NJ
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Paul never taught saturday sabbath keeping is required to be saved/justified.
The LORD Jesus Christ did = when HE replaced saturday sabbath with Himself = Matthew 11:25-30
Did you read posts 154 & 158 ???
What exactly is ''resting'' on the Sabbath as to keeping it 'Holy'?
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The LORD Jesus Christ did = when HE replaced saturday sabbath with Himself = Matthew 11:25-30
Did you read posts 154 & 158 ???
Jesus taught Paul the Gospel >>>Gal 1:1-12
The request was to list the verses where Paul teaches Sabbath as a justification requirement today.
All I can find is :-
Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
LawofLove
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You keep using your words as if they trump the words of our LORD. God cared about 1 tree, He is specific this is the same logic that deceived our first parents- what different does a tree make, yet it made all the difference in the world- it separated man from God and man from the Tree of Life. If God didn't care about which day He would not have come down from heaven and personally and divinely wrote it out. He would not have blessed and sanctified the seventh day if He didn't care. He would not have named the seventh day the Sabbath which He called it the Sabbath of the LORD thy God Exo20:10 if He didn't care- the Holy Day of the LORD thus saith the LORD Isa58:13. We can always choose to think we know better, its not a new argument. Its the same as many who came before us. As Solomon said, nothing new under the sun.
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LawofLove
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One day it would be nice to see someone actually looking at the context of this passage that Paul never left out.
I posted it before, but I'll repost it. If you can please take a look at what Paul is quoting. Paul was a professed servant of the LORD Acts 1:1 not His corrector.
There are several different Sabbaths in the Bible that uses the same word, but has very different meanings.
There is the seventh day Sabbath- instituted at Creation Exo20:11 Gen2:1-3, came before sin, reaffirmed in the Ten Commandments Exo20:8-11, written by God personally Exo31:18, placed inside God’s ark Exo40:20 God called it “the holy day of the Lord” Isa58:13
There are the annual sabbath(s) feast days that are always tied to animal sacrifices, they don’t always fall on the seventh day can be on any day and came after the fall and were handwritten by Moses, placed besides the ark of God’s covenant came after sin.
- 1st day of Unleavened Bread
- 7th day of Unleavened Bread
- Pentecost
- Trumpets
- Day of Atonement
- 1st day of Tabernacles
- 8th day of Tabernacles
So I think we are being quick to assume by seeing the word Sabbath that has different meanings and assuming it means the Holy Day of the Lord that comes with God's blessing and sanctification , without looking at the context that Paul carefully gave and we should let the Bible interpret itself.
Col 2:14 KJV Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to His cross.
Col 2:14 NASB having canceled the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us, which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.
Greek word for handwriting: χειρόγραφον (cheirographon)
Literally: “something written by hand
Ordinances
τοῖς δόγμασιν (tois dogmasin)
Meaning: “decrees,” “regulations,” “legal demands”
It is a legal document that condemns sinners why Paul used the word “against us” and “contrary to us”. The law does not condemn the righteous, it condemns the sinners.
Just from this context that Paul gave we can eliminate the Ten Commandments, but lets let Scripture interpret Scripture.
Who wrote the handwritten ordinances?
2 Chron 33:8 and I will not again remove the foot of Israel from the land which I have appointed for your fathers—only if they are careful to do all that I have commanded them, according to the whole law and the statutes and the ordinances by the hand of Moses.
What law is the law that was contrary and against?
Deut 31:24-26 So it was, when Moses had completed writing the words of this law in a book, when they were finished, 25 that Moses commanded the Levites, who bore the ark of the covenant of the Lord, saying: 26 “Take this Book of the Law, and put it beside the ark of the covenant of the Lord your God, that it may be there as a witness against you;
It appears from the text that this is not referring to the Sabbath in the Ten Commandments that was written by God Himself by His finger Exo31:18 placed inside the ark of the covenant, not besides like the annual sabbath(s) connected to animal sacrifices.
This is the law that was taken away at the Cross.
Col 2:16 let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
This is the exact language referring to the annual sabbath(s) that were handwritten by Moses, placed besides the ark that refer to annual feasts days, sacrifices and offerings that some were also called sabbath(s)
Eze 45:17 and it shall be the prince's part to give burnt offerings, and meat offerings, and drink offerings, in the feasts, and in the new moons, and in the sabbaths, in all solemnities of the house of Israel: he shall prepare the sin offering, and the meat offering, and the burnt offering, and the peace offerings, to make reconciliation for the house of Israel.
What did Jesus say He would come to put an end to? (compared to magnifying another law- by placing it in our hearts Isa42:21 Heb8:10)
Dan 9:27 Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week;
But in the middle of the week
He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering.
Col 2:17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ
What are the shadows laws? Lets let the Scriptures define what they are
Heb 10:1 For the law, having a shadow of the good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with these same sacrifices, which they offer continually year by year, make those who approach perfect. 2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? For the worshipers, once []purified, would have had no more consciousness of sins. 3 But in those sacrifices there is a reminder of sins every year. 4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and goats could take away sins.
5 Therefore, when He came into the world, He said:
“Sacrifice and offering You did not desire,
But a body You have prepared for Me.
6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin
You had no pleasure.
7 Then I said, ‘Behold, I have come—
In the volume of the book it is written of Me—
To do Your will, O God.’ ”
8 Previously saying, “Sacrifice and offering, burnt offerings, and offerings for sin You did not desire, nor had pleasure in them” (which are offered according to the law), 9 then He said, “Behold, I have come to do Your will, []O God.” He takes away the first that He may establish the second. 10 By that will we have been []sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all
This fits the context of this passage perfectly and makes the Bible harmonize because we see Sabbath-keeping (every Sabbath) 30+ years after the Cross just as Jesus Himself indicated Isa 56:6-7 Acts 13:42, Acts 13:44 Acts 15:21 Acts 18:4 and up to His Second Coming Mat24:20-30 and forever Isa66:22-23
As it will be nice when people today realize that Christ gave Paul the role to teach salvation to believers today.
I'm taught how to be saved by Paul, not Hebrews, John, Peter, Matthew etc
Please list the verses where Paul teaches KEEP SABBATH as a justification requirement for today, just the verses please :)
David in NJ
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No - never have!!!
Listen to the words of CHRIST
All things have been delivered to Me by My Father, and no one knows the Son except the Father. Nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and the one to whom the Son wills to reveal Him.
Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.
For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.”
You keep using the OT to trump the words of Christ and the Apostles
LawofLove
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Paul taught everything according to Christ
“Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ” — Colossians 2:8 (NKJV)
Jesus is LORD of the Sabbath day, that is according to Christ. Paul would never teach against one of God's commandments and God's own Testimony, thats not what a servant of God does.
“To the law and to the testimony! If they do not speak according to this word, it is because there is no light in them” — Isaiah 8:20 (NKJV)
LawofLove
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Paul kept every Sabbath decades and decades after the Cross Acts 13:42 Acts 13:44 Acts 15:21 Acts 17:2 Acts 18:4 etc. etc, just as Jesus indicated His people would Mat24:20 and continues Isa66:23
Paul was never in rebellion to the commandments of God- He taught keeping them is what matters 1Cor7:19
If you ask me for verses and I give you verses then I'm being respectful
If you ask me for verses and I give you opinions then I'm being disrespectful.
Out of respect, please list THE VERSES where Paul teaches KEEP SABBATH is a justification requirement today :)
LawofLove
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Where in this verse does Jesus say not to keep the Sabbath? You seem to be adding that when He did not.
The rest in this verse is not the Sabbath.
ἀναπαύω anapaúō, an-ap-ow'-o; from G303 and G3973; (reflexively) to repose (literally or figuratively (be exempt), remain); by implication, to refresh:—take ease, refresh, (give, take) rest.
Jesus said this and still kept the Sabbath Luke4:16 John15:10, it was never one or the other. No one is resting in Christ by being in rebellion to one of His commandments. I understand why this sounds good, we can do whatever we want on God's Sabbath and think we are doing the will of God when He commanded us to keep the Sabbath day holy Exo20:8-11
LawofLove
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You're missing the whole point of the Sabbath and any law for that matter. People are so focused on what is the least one has to do to be saved, instead of how do I serve the LORD the way He asks Isa56:6
Keeping the Sabbath is a response to our love to God Exo20:6 John14:15 1John5:3 that we want to spend holy time with God on the day He blessed and sanctified to do so and asked- He even said Remember so it must be really important to Him. We are not justified by the law, we are justified by our faith. Obeying God's commandments is a response to faith, not a means to salvation. Not obeying God or His commandments is rebellion no matter how we try to dress it up.
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David in NJ
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Simple - Find the verse in the NT where JESUS or the Apostles said we must keep saturday sabbath to be saved.
LawofLove
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Same response:
You're missing the whole point of the Sabbath and any law for that matter. People are so focused on what is the least one has to do to be saved that they miss out on Christ invitation to join themselves to Him and serve Him Isa56:6
Keeping the Sabbath is a response to our love to God Exo20:6 John14:15 1John5:3 that we want to spend holy time with God on the day He blessed and sanctified to do so and asked- He even said Remember so it must be really important to Him. We are not justified by the law, we are justified by our faith. Obeying God's commandments is a response to faith, not a means to salvation. Not obeying God or His commandments is rebellion no matter how we try to dress it up. Rom8:7-8
Paul didn't have this issue, he kept every Sabbath because Jesus who is God said His faithful would be doing so decades after the Cross and up to His Second Coming Mat24:20 and will for eternity Isa66:23 Paul taught what matters is keeping the commandments of God. 1Cor7:19
David in NJ
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Your not understanding what CHRIST did for us when HE went to the Cross.
CHRIST Says: "It is FINISHED"
saturday sabbath keeping will NEVER make anyone righteous before GOD
Brothers, my heart’s desire and prayer to God for the Israelites is for their salvation. For I testify about them that they are zealous for God, but not on the basis of knowledge.
Because they are ignorant of God’s righteousness and sought to establish their own, they did not submit to God’s righteousness.
For Christ is the end of the law, to bring righteousness to everyone who believes.
Again the respectful request remains :-
Please list the verses FROM PAUL that teach KEEP SABBATH is a justification requirement today.
If you come back with anything else you have then confirmed that Paul does not teach it
LawofLove
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I understand perfectly what Christ did at the Cross. I also know what He did not do, die so we can live in our sins and break the law of God. If that was the case there would be no point to His Great Sacrifice, He could have just removed the law. To think we can continue sinning and breaking the law of God considering what that did to Christ at the Cross....well the Bible tells us what that does, our words do not matter.
LawofLove
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Where did Paul ever teach we do not have to obey God or keep God's commandments- find that first. Paul taught everything had to be according to Christ. All the thus saith the LORDS in the Bible and there are many GOD tells us not break the Sabbath. Paul certainly would never countermand God the Testimony of God Exo31:18
I'll answer that when you are respectful enough to answer my first request to you.
List the verses where Paul teaches KEEP SABBATH as a justification requirement today
LawofLove
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I have already
1 Cor 7:19 Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing, but keeping the commandments of God is what matters.
Col 2:8 Beware lest anyone [a]cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ.
The Sabbath is a commandment of God- written personally by God who claimed it in His own words as His commandments Exo20:6
Paul taught everything has to be according to Christ. Find one thus saith the LORD where Christ said we do not need to keep the 4th commandment? Again why Paul never rebelled against God's commandments including the Sabbath and kept it in a holy manner every Sabbath decades and decades after the Cross Acts 13:44 Acts 13:44 Acts 15:21 Acts 17:2 Acts 18:4 just a Christ said Isa 56:6-7 Mat24:20 and will continue for God's saints Isa66:23 - do you really think the God of love would force someone for all eternity to come before Him every Sabbath for worship if they are so opposed to it now? I do not think so, its why I believe His judgement is one of love. Not everyone will be happy in heaven without sin John3:19-21
Its weird that one would require Paul to disprove God's own Testimony, when it should be the other way around, just as Paul taught, everything according to Christ. The servant is not greater than the master. John13:16
So now your turn, where is a thus saith the LORD that we do not need to keep the 4th commandment? Every thus saith the LORD God asks us to keep the Sabbath and not profane it, over and over again. If God removed His 4th commandment that He came down from heaven to personally wrote our and said Remember because He knew everyone would try to forget, we would have at least one verse saying so.
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