Sorry, but, I'm done with this. I feel like you aren't actually responding to anything I say with anything but tautologies ("My view is right because it is right"). I feel like you aren't even listening enough to my posts to understand we are using the terms differently and actually address my points instead of call me a liar and a sinner, say that communism is not what communism is explicitly defined to be (or, even, recognize the definition I am using when I say communism, ignoring me repeat that if the state, rather than the workers, controls the means of production, the term I use is state capitalism, because that type of economy is not a form of communism and could be a form of socialism in only the loosest sense), and make claims which are not even internally consistent about the nations which are supposedly communist.
I have explained, based on the tenets of both communism and socialism how the countries you name follow the principles of neither, and you use this to attack my viewpoint as ignorant of what communist nations do. I know what "communist" nations do, how they are run, and so on, but I also know that they have about as much to do with communism as they do with democracy, or about as much to do with communism as Jim Jones or the Spanish Inquisition had to do with Christianity. Their people and workers are still kept in chains and exploited by their masters, the only difference is that it is simply the state, rather than corporations, which exploit them for personal profit. The "communist" nations you name, economically, run exactly the same as capitalist countries, merely with the state replacing the role of private corporations; the workers do not control the means of production, and this is the most central tenet of communism.
Finally, you ignore any element which you cannot refute with circular tautologies or calling me a liar; first, my question about whose labour it is that makes your shoes, and whose wealth comes from their sale; then you disregard my quote from the scripture. Those work do the work to make things very rarely are the ones who make the profits, being offered a portion far less than their work in even the best cases; the quote, said by Christ, doesn't say to give ten percent of one's wealth to the state, it says to sell everything and give the money away to the poor.
I don't think this debate is going anywhere, and I don't feel that you're really listening to anything I'm saying.
I have one question, after your answer to which, I won't check this thread again. It's pointless and will only create animosity and division.
What is morally wrong about sharing, giving up unneeded wealth to those in poverty, and workers being treated fairly? This is the essence of what I'm arguing, and you keep telling me it is evil. Without conspiracy theories as to who is or isn't communist, bringing up Hitler, or talking about how Obama is a socialist, please explain to me how sharing is evil. That's all I want to know, because all I have been saying this entire time is that sharing is not evil.
Not only have I paid attention to what you've written, but I've pointed to real history of the workings of Communist Socialism, and its philosophy, to show how its ideas and practices are a lie. I have not insulted you in doing any of that. But if you feel I've insulted those who adhere to Communist Socialism and their tenets who started the lie by showing how such a philosophy has never worked, then so be it. Otherwise, your false claim of personal insult is nothing more than an attempt to back out of the debate to save some face.
Moreover, Communist Socialism is NOT about sharing per Biblical doctrine. Nor do those living a monastic life practice the principles of Communist Socialism, simply because they denounce the ownership of goods of THEIR OWN CHOICE. Under Communist Socialism the state removes those rights WITHOUT ASKING. There's a huge difference.