What is Glory?

[marks]

Shine? Fame? Importance? How do you answer? What is glory?

Romans 8:28-31 KJV
28) And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29) For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30) Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
31) What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?

Now? Or Later? What is Glory?

John 12:23-33 KJV
23) And Jesus answered them, saying, The hour is come, that the Son of man should be glorified.
24) Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.
25) He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal.
26) If any man serve me, let him follow me; and where I am, there shall also my servant be: if any man serve me, him will my Father honour.
27) Now is my soul troubled; and what shall I say? Father, save me from this hour: but for this cause came I unto this hour.
28) Father, glorify thy name. Then came there a voice from heaven, saying, I have both glorified it, and will glorify it again.
29) The people therefore, that stood by, and heard it, said that it thundered: others said, An angel spake to him.
30) Jesus answered and said, This voice came not because of me, but for your sakes.
31) Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.
32) And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.
33) This he said, signifying what death he should die.

Much love!

 

[marks]

Is there a glory we have now, and a different glory we will know later?

Daniel 12:3 KJV
And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.

1 Corinthians 15:40-44 KJV
40) There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.
41) There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.
42) So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
43) It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
44) It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

Much love!

 

[ScottA]

Now? Or Later? What is Glory?

This is like the Soup or Salad, Paper or Plastic question.

Sadly...the answer for both is, Yes.
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For some--those who believe that "now is the accepted time...now is the day of salvation", they enter(ed) into glory with Christ, when He entered into them, having fully opened the door when they heard Him knocking.

But for others--"now" is not "accepted." So, by their own actions, moving the end from that acceptable time of the Lord (Luke 4:19) from Christ who is the End, they hold out until the time of their passing away--making themselves the end instead of Christ.

Both, sadly, the evidence of freewill.

 

[Not me]

Is there a glory we have now, and a different glory we will know later?

Daniel 12:3 KJV
And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.

1 Corinthians 15:40-44 KJV
40) There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.
41) There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.
42) So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
43) It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
44) It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

Much love!

“What is glory?”

Excellent question!!!

I’m going to ponder that before God.. :)

Thanks for the pointing to…


A fellow follower, Not me

 

[Cross8527]

What is glory? The glory of God is unequaled it's mere mention should not even be spoken by mere mortal lips yet his glory radiates and shines like abursting explosion of light powerfully shaking everything around it the glory of God is love and mercy it is peace and is joy it is warm and inviting a voice that sings out to the lost to share in it's glory. the glory of God is Christs blood the crimson water that covers the heads of those whom he would call his, it is the sacrifice that was made in love for the sake of us lost sinners. The glory of God is many things but then you have the glory we will have but what glory would that be? yes we will have glorified bodies meaning they will be perfect radiant and shine but glory itself i believe each person will receieve a different typoe of glory. for those who were wise will recieve the glory of wisdom for those who were kind and caring will be given the glory of gentleness, for those who were giving and charitable will be given the glory of charity for those who were obedient to his voice and spoke what he gave them to speak will be given the glory of prophecy and so on. of course this is just what i feel i have no evidence to support it but like how we will receive rewards according to our works i also think our glory we recieve will also be based upon our character

 

[marks]

What is glory? The glory of God is unequaled it's mere mention should not even be spoken by mere mortal lips yet his glory radiates and shines like abursting explosion of light powerfully shaking everything around it the glory of God is love and mercy it is peace and is joy it is warm and inviting a voice that sings out to the lost to share in it's glory. the glory of God is Christs blood the crimson water that covers the heads of those whom he would call his, it is the sacrifice that was made in love for the sake of us lost sinners. The glory of God is many things but then you have the glory we will have but what glory would that be? yes we will have glorified bodies meaning they will be perfect radiant and shine but glory itself i believe each person will receieve a different typoe of glory. for those who were wise will recieve the glory of wisdom for those who were kind and caring will be given the glory of gentleness, for those who were giving and charitable will be given the glory of charity for those who were obedient to his voice and spoke what he gave them to speak will be given the glory of prophecy and so on. of course this is just what i feel i have no evidence to support it but like how we will receive rewards according to our works i also think our glory we recieve will also be based upon our character

I like this!

This reminds me of the crowns, Paul wrote, "You are the crown of my rejoicing in the presence of the Lord", We are crowned the life, crowned with righteousness, crowned with rejoicing, like that.

It makes a lot of sense to me that the glory we will have - should we - will reflect who we are.

Much love!

 

[quietthinker]

Shine? Fame? Importance? How do you answer? What is glory?

Romans 8:28-31 KJV
28) And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29) For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30) Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
31) What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?

Now? Or Later? What is Glory?

John 12:23-33 KJV
23) And Jesus answered them, saying, The hour is come, that the Son of man should be glorified.
24) Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.
25) He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal.
26) If any man serve me, let him follow me; and where I am, there shall also my servant be: if any man serve me, him will my Father honour.
27) Now is my soul troubled; and what shall I say? Father, save me from this hour: but for this cause came I unto this hour.
28) Father, glorify thy name. Then came there a voice from heaven, saying, I have both glorified it, and will glorify it again.
29) The people therefore, that stood by, and heard it, said that it thundered: others said, An angel spake to him.
30) Jesus answered and said, This voice came not because of me, but for your sakes.
31) Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.
32) And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.
33) This he said, signifying what death he should die.

Much love!

A good question Mark. I think 'glory' in the context Jesus uses it is the unpacking of God's character, ie, willing condescension even to the point of death. Verse 28 reveals this.

 

[Cross8527]

I like this!

This reminds me of the crowns, Paul wrote, "You are the crown of my rejoicing in the presence of the Lord", We are crowned the life, crowned with righteousness, crowned with rejoicing, like that.

It makes a lot of sense to me that the glory we will have - should we - will reflect who we are.

Much love!

I cannot take the credit often times as i am typing the spirirt just flows and puts words on my heart to type so the credit goes to God. When i was typing it i was envisioning each glory radiating in a unique color like a song singing from each believer each believer while radiating their own kind of glory also had their own kind of song with it

 

[Lambano]

Shine? Fame? Importance? How do you answer? What is glory?

Is glory something one has intrinsically? An intrinsic property of God, perhaps?

Or is glory the honor that can only be given by another?

I'm leaning towards the latter.

 

[David H.]

Shine? Fame? Importance? How do you answer? What is glory?

Romans 8:28-31 KJV
28) And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29) For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30) Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
31) What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?

We are glorified in this world when we are called to make the saintly sacrifice, just like Christ Jesus when he was lifted up on the cross drew men to Him. My experience with this is that when the Holy Spirit came on me in fulness as a teenager, there was a missionary from Africa preaching in my church, I could see his glory with my eyes.... call it an aura or a halo, or a glow... He had this while others did not. I Will always remember this night because it was the first time I met a saint..... But most Christians say we are all saints, if so, show me your glory?

 

[Bob Estey]

Shine? Fame? Importance? How do you answer? What is glory?

Romans 8:28-31 KJV
28) And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29) For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30) Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
31) What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?

Now? Or Later? What is Glory?

John 12:23-33 KJV
23) And Jesus answered them, saying, The hour is come, that the Son of man should be glorified.
24) Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.
25) He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal.
26) If any man serve me, let him follow me; and where I am, there shall also my servant be: if any man serve me, him will my Father honour.
27) Now is my soul troubled; and what shall I say? Father, save me from this hour: but for this cause came I unto this hour.
28) Father, glorify thy name. Then came there a voice from heaven, saying, I have both glorified it, and will glorify it again.
29) The people therefore, that stood by, and heard it, said that it thundered: others said, An angel spake to him.
30) Jesus answered and said, This voice came not because of me, but for your sakes.
31) Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.
32) And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.
33) This he said, signifying what death he should die.

Much love!

Glory is that feeling you get when you do things God's way, because God's way is rooted in love and, therefore, deserving of glory.

 

[marks]

Is glory something one has intrinsically? An intrinsic property of God, perhaps?

Or is glory the honor that can only be given by another?

I'm leaning towards the latter.

Yes, I'd be inclined to say glory is intrinsic to God, and must be conferred to others. True glory, that is, that can only come from God.

Much love!

 

[Lambano]

Yes, I'd be inclined to say glory is intrinsic to God, and must be conferred to others. True glory, that is, that can only come from God.

Much love!

Or do we confer honor glory upon God?

 

[marks]

Or do we confer honor glory upon God?

This reminds me of the passage in Romans 4,

19 And being not weak in faith, he considered not his own body now dead, when he was about an hundred years old, neither yet the deadness of Sarah's womb:
20 He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;
21 And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform.
22 And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness.

This part, was strong in faith, "strong" is actually in the Passive Voice. The ISA Interlinear translates this, "was invigorated".

It seems the passage is saying, Abraham was strengthened in faith, giving glory to God.

In the past I used to read this as, Abraham had strong faith, and he glorified God. But now I understand this as, God made Abraham's faith strong, and so God is due the glory for making this happen.

I think we glorify God when we live as He wants us to, and as His divine will is worked out in our lives, this demonstrates the prefection of His plan, and His ways.

This is good stuff for me to think about!

Much love!

 

[APAK]

@marks the thread does make one rethink this often overlooked taken-for-granted term, called 'glory.'

Glory is closely associated with the acts of worship, honoring, praising and giving. It also describes God's acts of creation as being glorious in all ways and things in this world and universe.

From a general theological and spiritual perspective glory describes God with his presence in this world and also on his 'throne' in heaven.

All things created including mankind and even the Son of God is created in the image of God and are glorified beings as are the angels.

When Yahshua was begotten as a new special glory of God, as his human spitting image, agent and sacrifice who entered the world for the first time, he served to restore us back to God and to nullify the effects on what sin had created.

Sin's appearance tarnished the glory of mankind and God's presence in a personal way and now it became selective and given to those that believed in his image, his Son. These 'believers' regained a renewed glory in Christ they once lost, as a new rebirth and with the new presence of both the Son and the Father in their lives. They now reclaimed their status of being in the glorious company of God presence, along with his human image, his Son, and his and our Messiah, and his angels. The glorious family of God was being reestablished.

So true believers now glorify God, the Father of all spirits, by allowing their new light from his image and Son shine into this world through them, into the world. We are the glory on earth for the Kingdom, as citizens of this glorious Kingdom today.

The full realization and reward of this renewed glory and the Kingdom given by God to us, will be found in the future, when Christ comes again in his own glory that was also given to him by the glory of his Father, with the angels present.

Good thread indeed

 

[marks]

So true believers now glorify God, the Father of all spirits, by allowing their new light from his image and Son shine into this world through them, into the world. We are the glory on earth for the Kingdom, as citizens of this glorious Kingdom today.

Reminds me of,

2 Corinthians 4 KJV
6 For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.
7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

Romans 5 KJV
5 And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.

and . . .

2 Corinthians 3 KJV
17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.

Which leads me to,
1 John 3 KJV
1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.

Which seems largely summed up in your closing statement,

The full realization and reward of this renewed glory and the Kingdom given by God to us, will be found in the future, when Christ comes again in his own glory that was also given to him by the glory of his Father, with the angels present.

Glory sometimes is defined as "weight". God is the true "heavy"!

Much love!

 

[Taken]

What is Glory?
OP^

Gods omnipotents.

 

[APAK]

Reminds me of,

2 Corinthians 4 KJV
6 For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.
7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

Romans 5 KJV
5 And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.

and . . .

2 Corinthians 3 KJV
17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.

Which leads me to,
1 John 3 KJV
1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.

Which seems largely summed up in your closing statement,



Glory sometimes is defined as "weight". God is the true "heavy"!

Much love!

Right on marks!

 

[marks]

The first time Glory is mentioned . . .

Genesis 30:40-31:1 KJV
40) And Jacob did separate the lambs, and set the faces of the flocks toward the ringstraked, and all the brown in the flock of Laban; and he put his own flocks by themselves, and put them not unto Laban's cattle.
41) And it came to pass, whensoever the stronger cattle did conceive, that Jacob laid the rods before the eyes of the cattle in the gutters, that they might conceive among the rods.
42) But when the cattle were feeble, he put them not in: so the feebler were Laban's, and the stronger Jacob's.
43) And the man increased exceedingly, and had much cattle, and maidservants, and menservants, and camels, and asses.
1) And he heard the words of Laban's sons, saying, Jacob hath taken away all that was our father's; and of that which was our father's hath he gotten all this glory.

In the "Rule of First Mention", many students of the Bible see a special significance in the first place a particular thing or concept is mentioned.

My favorite example is the First Mention of Love,

Genesis 22:2 KJV
And he said, Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac, whom thou lovest, and get thee into the land of Moriah; and offer him there for a burnt offering upon one of the mountains which I will tell thee of.

The first place love is named, the love of a father for an only son, being offered in sacrifice.

Here, glory,

43) And the man increased exceedingly, and had much cattle, and maidservants, and menservants, and camels, and asses.
1) And he heard the words of Laban's sons, saying, Jacob hath taken away all that was our father's; and of that which was our father's hath he gotten all this glory.

Your thoughts?

Much love!

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Is there a glory we have now, and a different glory we will know later?

There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.

what are celestial bodies?

what are terrestrial bodies?

1 Corinthians 15:47-50 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven. [48] As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. [49] And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. (?) [50] Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

or what about 2 Corinthians 3:7-11 ? But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away: [8] How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious? [9] For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory. [10] For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth. [11] For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.