What is Hearing Only?

[robert derrick]

And we cannot obey Him until He is inside of us, abiding in us, and we abiding in Him. 1 John 3:24. The Jews obeyed God, but God was not inside of them. They kept the letter of the law, and had no way of keeping the Spirit of the law - through Christ.



Yes, the fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom. And that fear, or awe, grows through our lifetime, and He who began a good work in us shall complete it.



Thank you, Robert. But I'm 1stCenturyLady. LOL

And we cannot obey Him until He is inside of us, abiding in us, and we abiding in Him. 1 John 3:24.

True, and he will not dwell within our heart, until we are obeying Him and opening the door to Him with a clean heart.

Hearers only agree it is Jesus knocking at the door, and leave Him standing without.

They kept the letter of the law, and had no way of keeping the Spirit of the law - through Christ.

And the Spirit is given to them that obey Him, not to them that only agree He is Christ.

And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.

But I'm 1stCenturyLady.

Man, woman, what's the diff in Christ?

 

[robert derrick]

Strongs says of grace that it is "favor." Someone added "unmerited" and people who believe that definition stay unworthy. But the apostles taught that grace is the divine power of God. 2 Peter 1:2-4. Acts 4:33.

Romans 1: What is the gospel of grace? It is the power of God.

5 Through Him we have received grace and apostleship for obedience to the faith among all nations for His name, 6 among whom you also are the called of Jesus Christ;

7 Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek. 17 For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, “The just shall live by faith.”

Strongs says of grace that it is "favor." Someone added "unmerited" and people who believe that definition stay unworthy.

True. While grace is unmerited, to whom grace is given is certainly not unmerited, because grace with God's power is only given as help in time of need to endure temptation and overcome sin. As the Scripture says, grace is given for obedience to the faith.

Grace is not given for excusing disobedience to God. The proof that someone does not have the grace of God is their ongoing sins and trespasses, which is because they don't go to God for grace to help overcome sin, but only for a blind cover for their sins.

They reject all Scripture that speaks of winning the race, obtaining salvation, and being worthy to walk with Him in white.

Grace is unmerited, because no man deserves it, but grace is only given to them that are worthy of it: them that need help to overcome sins in this life.

Those only wishing to agree with God have no grace from God, because they have no need of power to overcome their sins and trespasses, since doing so is not judged necessary.

 

[Robert Gwin]

True, and they excuse their choice by teaching we have no choice while yet in this world. They teach remaining subject to the body of flesh, and their only freedom from the sins of the flesh will be at death, which is sinning unto death.

They think agreeing with it is good enough, because it's 'better' than those who reject it openly cursing Jesus' name.

The lukewarm are indeed them that only agree with Jesus, but do not obey Him as Lord. It makes God sick to see 'believers' thinking He would accept their sacrifice of agreement only.

They take up an agreeable cross to celebrate their useless grace. All nice and comfy with ongoing lust and salvation arm in arm.

They teach the blood of the Lamb as that of a bull or a goat, that only covers their lust, but does not purge their souls and hearts from it.

Obedience is the key for sure.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

just imputed. "Imputed" is the key word.

Exactly. I've been coming to the same conclusion, that Scriptural imputed righteousness is not just blanket screen thrown over sin. Sinners by faith now being 'seen' as righteous by God, because He can't 'see' their continued lust of the world in this souls.

Imputed righteousness of God is God putting His righteousness in us to have a right Spirit, whereby we do His righteousness as He is righteous, rather than continuing in sins and trespasses with a spirit of error and of the world.

Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me.

This doctrine of imputed righteousness had to do with Old Testament obedience. Jesus had not come yet to take away our sin nature, the source of sin. Abraham and King David still had their natures from Adam and Satan, so their righteousness was only imputed. Some denominations base their whole gospel on the covering up of sin, not the taking away of the source.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

And we cannot obey Him until He is inside of us, abiding in us, and we abiding in Him. 1 John 3:24.

True, and he will not dwell within our heart, until we are obeying Him and opening the door to Him with a clean heart.

We are saying the opposite.

And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.

And what is it that we are to obey to receive the Holy Spirit?

 

[robert derrick]

We are saying the opposite.



And what is it that we are to obey to receive the Holy Spirit?

And what is it that we are to obey to receive the Holy Spirit?

Since we must obey Him to receive Him, then that is the question few will ask, and even fewer will do it, when they know the answer:

Obey the gospel with the first great commandment.

Obeying God begins in the heart, to cast down and chase off all thought for lust and sins of the flesh, even as Abraham chased away the fowls from his sacrifice to God.

There is no temporal time difference between believing and obeying God, because both begin at the same instant in the heart, to begin loving God with all the pure heart. We cannot possibly being loving God with all the unclean heart of lust.

Until we begin to obey Him within the heart, we are only agreeing with the gospel that God is true, and any works of the body are only good works of man with an unclean heart. We cannot possibly be keeping the second great commandment, until we are obeying the first:

Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.

The Spirit and power of God are given to them that are obeying Him within the heart, that we may becomes sons of God with purified hearts and souls.

Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently.

Obeying Him to purify our hearts is turning the key to open the door unto Him standing and knocking without.

Jesus does not enter into an unclean heart to sup with sinners of lust.

Even as there is no justification by faith alone without works, neither is there any salvation by faith alone without obedience within the heart.

The word of God only becomes effectual within us, when we begin to do the word, first within the heart, that we may also do so with the body.

Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.

Eating and drinking of the Son of God is by obeying His faith. Until we obey Him, we have no life nor Spirit of God within us.

Jesus shed His blood on the cross for one reason only: to forgive sins and give power to man to obediently purify their own hearts, even as He is pure, and so becomes sons of God in deed and in truth, even as He is the Son of God.

For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

And so, how do we obey him to receive His Spirit for power to become His own brother?

Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded.

 

[Happy Trails]

But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

Agreeing only is faith only without works: it is nothing to God to be agreed with, but only obeyed.

God is not searching for agreers with lips, but obeyers with heart.

This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.

Hearers only agree with their mouth only, but obeyers confess Him with the heart.

Confession unto salvation with the mouth is only with obedience of the heart in righteousness.

There is no confession of faith alone, but only agreeable lip service.

1 John 5:3 Loving God IS keeping his Commandments.

Everything else is lip service.

Good posts, my friend.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Since we must obey Him to receive Him, then that is the question few will ask, and even fewer will do it, when they know the answer:

Obey the gospel with the first great commandment.

Obeying God begins in the heart, to cast down and chase off all thought for lust and sins of the flesh, even as Abraham chased away the fowls from his sacrifice to God.

We are on the same page on most things, so I know you will understand this below.

The Jews obeyed God's Ten Commandments, so why didn't keeping the Ten Commandments save them? Romans 7:13. Sin inside the flesh.

Robert, what Paul realized about the Law that there was one commandment that was not a surface commandment, and that is why the only one he mentioned was the 10th commandment on coveting. Why? Because that was inside where the sin nature resided and was constantly being broken.

You: "Obeying God begins in the heart." Correct, but we cannot do that by ourselves. That is why the Ten Commandments did not work. Those commandments must first be written on the heart, and that can only happen through the blood of Jesus cleansing our old sin nature that made us too weak.

So our first step is not being righteous on our own, but acknowledging with total honestly that we CANNOT be righteous on our own. That acknowledgement of our filthyness is REPENTANCE. See? THEN Jesus can enter a repentant heart and kill the old sinful nature, and replace it with a divine nature that CAN BE RIGHTEOUS, because we have the empowerment of God's divine power. 2 Peter 1:2-4, 2 Corinthians 5:17.

 

[robert derrick]

We are on the same page on most things, so I know you will understand this below.

The Jews obeyed God's Ten Commandments, so why didn't keeping the Ten Commandments save them? Romans 7:13. Sin inside the flesh.

Robert, what Paul realized about the Law that there was one commandment that was not a surface commandment, and that is why the only one he mentioned was the 10th commandment on coveting. Why? Because that was inside where the sin nature resided and was constantly being broken.

You: "Obeying God begins in the heart." Correct, but we cannot do that by ourselves. That is why the Ten Commandments did not work. Those commandments must first be written on the heart, and that can only happen through the blood of Jesus cleansing our old sin nature that made us too weak.

So our first step is not being righteous on our own, but acknowledging with total honestly that we CANNOT be righteous on our own. That acknowledgement of our filthyness is REPENTANCE. See? THEN Jesus can enter a repentant heart and kill the old sinful nature, and replace it with a divine nature that CAN BE RIGHTEOUS, because we have the empowerment of God's divine power. 2 Peter 1:2-4, 2 Corinthians 5:17.

THEN Jesus can enter a repentant heart and kill the old sinful nature, and replace it with a divine nature that CAN BE RIGHTEOUS, because we have the empowerment of God's divine power.

Yes, I believe you are correct by half. I say Jesus and His own obey the commandment of God together:

And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power, Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places.

Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?

The works of God our ours to do by His faith, which includes all the working of God both within and without.

Jesus does not do all the killing and cleansing by Himself. If we are empowered by God, as you say, then we also do our part with Him:

But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name.

Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently.

Scripture and Jesus both plainly commands us to kill and to cleanse for our own soul's sake:

Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.

And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts.

Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded.

Therefore, it is we who do so with Him, working with God by his power to do the purifying work of God.

He enters to cleanse our heart and sup with us: but He does not enter like a maid to clean up our house by Himself, that He may be fed by us.

We do it together: Even as He is purifying us, so are we purifying ourselves together with Him.

We are commanded to cleanse with Him, that we may both sit down to sup together as brethren.

We wash our walls with His blood side by side with Him, working together as one with power of God given to His own:

Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.

Even as He is obeying the Father, so are we obeying together with Him.

 

[robert derrick]

Hearers only agree Jesus was innocent as the thief declared.

But unlike the thief, hearers that only agree with Him are not on their own cross beside Him:

Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.

But they are still standing afar off weeping and wailing because of Him.

Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.