What is in The Principalities

[Joseph77]

So? Those things are not in line with Scripture. No, not at all.

 

[Man on Fire]

So? Those things are not in line with Scripture. No, not at all.

I am not Catholic or Orthodox at this time. I have not been baptized into those Churches. History did not start with Martin Luther or John Calvin. Working to understanding God and the Principalities, and what God has been doing in history, someone may need an understanding of Catholic and Orthodox Theology.

The Body of Christ

Christians are a Body of Christ. When they take communion they eat of the body and drink of the blood. In the Body, some are the hands, some the feet, some the mouth, some the eyes. Some are Apostles, some are Prophets, some are Pastors, some are Evangelists. We all have a function in the Body. A society of believers. We are a Body of Christ, an Organic Society. (Ephesians 4:11-16)

Where this is profound for teachers and understanding:

Atomism - A belief that society is made up of a collection of self-interested and largely self-sufficient individuals or atoms, rather than social groups. (Liberal Belief on Society)

Organicism - A belief that society operates like an organism or living entity, the whole being more than a collection of its individual parts. (Conservative View on Society.)

(“Political Ideologies An Introduction” Third Edition by Andrew Heywood.)

Many people may have grown up think Atomistically for example. A Conservative Republican in the US may have grown up with "Rugged Indivisualism." Rugged Individualism comes more from Classical Liberalism and the Enlightenment. Rugged Individualism may be sort of ok in the context of early Christian Desert Fathers and hermits. Liberalism as an ideology has tended to be reactionary against Christianity working off the Christianity and developing ideologies and ideas that are not aligned Biblically. Society is not atomistic. It is organic consisting of many parts which make a whole.

 

[Man on Fire]

More Brainstorm on The Principalities:

Christians are to be Law Abiding. (Jeremiah 35)(Romans 13)(1 Peter 2)

Early Christianity started in Pagan Rome. Early Christians at the start of the Book of Acts, may have been obligated to obey the ways in the Province of Judea, and Roman Law as it applied to them. God has all authority. Somewhere in the "Chain of Command" there was Pagan Roman Law. Christians were given The Great Commission. Working to evangelize, Christians worked to convert people in the Chain of Command so that all authority was under God.

Given Rome ruled at God's pleasure, are certain laws or edicts unlawful? Given a Christian during the reign of Caligula was in a court of law, would he have to, by law, acknowledge the Cult of the Roman Emperor? That may have been unlawful. Christians refused.

Given The Orthodox and Catholic Churches, and they were anointed, there may have been good and bad Patriarchs similar to how there were Good and Bad Kings of Israel. Did a Patriarch work to grab up authority that he didn't have, or work to institutionalize something that was wrong? This is an interesting question with some hard to deal with realities for certain people.

 

[Man on Fire]

That may have been unlawful.

Question: Why do you use the word may as you have been?

In an understanding of The Power of the Tongue, and serving God, and someone serving God was being affirmative, that may have meant someone was "Setting something in the principalities" or giving something. May in the quote suggests I may be 99% sure, and Christians should come to a consensus.

 

[onlyme17]

God gave Adam authority. Adam lost authority with original sin. When Jesus was being tempted by Satan, Satan offered to give Jesus rulership.

How did Satan have authority? Working in reasonable ways, there is an understanding that there were Occult Pagan Mystery Schools all over.

Satan had authority because God gave it to him.
He was cast out of heaven to the earth. It says so.
Jesus Himself said - John 14:30
" Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me."

And John 12
"And Jesus answered them, saying, The hour is come, that the Son of man should be glorified."

31 "Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out."

Yes , he has authority and Jesus recognized that authority , knowing that He Himself had come to put an end that authority over mankind, once and for all.

Satan is God tool..always has been . Seen clearly in the book of Job. The angels were gathered before God , and it says 'Satan was also there in the midst'..God speaks to him, asks what he thinks of Job, God sets up Job to be tested by Satan. He had authority , but his authority was limited, God says -"he's yours, but do not touch his life" Satan is God's Tester.
God is , and always has been , in full control.

 

[Man on Fire]

Satan had authority because God gave it to him.
He was cast out of heaven to the earth. It says so.
Jesus Himself said - John 14:30
" Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me."

That does not say that God gave authority to satan. Satan being "the prince of this world" suggest that Satan had "some authority." How did he receive it? Authority was given to Adam in Genesis 2. Adam lost authority in original sin.

“The first man Adam became a living being”; the last Adam became a life-giving spirit. (1 Cor. 15:45)

I have liked the following song towards brainstorming on God, with God. Am I presenting it as something that is theologically correct? I am presenting it as something that has been good for brainstorming with God.

Satan is God tool..always has been . Seen clearly in the book of Job. The angels were gathered before God , and it says 'Satan was also there in the midst'..God speaks to him, asks what he thinks of Job, God sets up Job to be tested by Satan. He had authority , but his authority was limited, God says -"he's yours, but do not touch his life" Satan is God's Tester.
God is , and always has been , in full control.

God has law. (Psalms 1:1-4) How did Satan gain authority to do what he did in the Book of Job? He knew something of God's law.

Angels have had functions. Satan was an Accuser. Arch Angel Michael has been known as Mankind's Advocate. God is a Judge. Satan may have gained some authority in understanding of God's law. In the Book of Revelations, Satan was thrown from heaven. Between original sin, Jesus Christ, and Satan being thrown from heaven, and now, God may have done very specific things towards "Every knee shall bow and every tongue confess." Bringing all mankind under God, living with God. The Kingdom of God.

 

[onlyme17]

If Satan wasn't God's Tool..they God wouldn't have placed him right in the middle of Eden. Satan did not 'slip in' without God knowing it!!
God obviously gave him the authority to be there...or he couldn't have got in there in the first place.

 

[Man on Fire]

God hasn't been a micromanager. Man has had freewill.

God obviously gave him the authority

Was he given authority, or was he just there being Satan? Satan who knew something of God's law. Have you ever seen a Lawyer look for loopholes and ways to manipulate something? The Talmud is a big collection of writings that is complicated towards a Pharisee and incorrect understanding of Torah.

The Bible juxtaposes that God is always present and sees everything, and at times, he is away. In Luke 20:9-19, mankind is like God's Vineyard. He rented it out to some tenant farmers. These tenant farmers were teachers of religious law. Were the tenant farmers doing the right things?

 

[101G]

I am talking more about delegated authority. Pharaoh in Egypt had authority as a King. He delegated authority to Joseph. The Queen of Britain has had authority. She is Head of State and Church. She has delegated authority. The Prime Minister has served The Queen. It is The Queen's Justice. The Queen is Governor of The Anglican Communion. Authority has flowed through The Queen. In an understanding of The Principalities, in a way, may the Queen or someone connected to her been shaping the principalities some how? This is complicated and it gets into some conspiracy. The Queen as head of the Anglican Communion has said some off things about Jesus, and she was married to a Freemason. Under the Queen's Reign, many have turned away from God towards atheism. She has had bad fruit?

The Queen of Britain, when she was coronated, was coronated in a ceremony similar to King Saul and Prophet Samuel. Does that make her Anointed of God to rule? Does she have a divine right to rule? Given she has been a Bad Queen, she still may have been anointed similar to how there were Good and Bad Kings of Israel?

An understanding of these things may lead to a greater understanding of what has been happening in the principalities.

You are right that there is no authority but God. God delegated authority and Nations have ruled at God's pleasure.

sure I understand what you're speaking of but keep Roman 13:1 in mind, ok.

be blessed,

PICJAG.

 

[Enoch111]

What is in The Principalities

The term principalities is used in the Bible in connection with the hierarchies of angels (both good and evil). Satan is the "prince of the power of the air" and under him are the following hierarchies:

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood [spirit beings not human beings], but
1. against principalities,
2. against powers,
3. against the rulers of the darkness of this world,
4. against spiritual wickedness in high places.

So principalities are the highest levels of evil angels and presumably control major nations of the world. Then we have others under them.
There is no question that Satan is the puppet master pulling the strings of evil world leaders through his evil angels.

 

[Man on Fire]

puppet master

Puppet Master has been an interesting understanding.

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