What People?

[John S]

Cain killed Abel.
As punishment, Cain was forced to live with other people.
What people?
Either Adam and Eve had alot more children than the Bible states or there were other species of human beings around. Were these the Neanderthals or some other species that we don't know about?
If Adam and Eve were the first homo sapiens (MY conjecture), while other species of humans roamed the Earth, like the history books tell us, then that would be BIBLICAL PROOF that the idea that God created the universe in 6 literal days is wrong.
Of course, you can always claim that the story of Adam and Eve is just a story. I don't but some of you might.

Who were these other people?

 

[JB_Reformed Baptist]

Cain killed Abel.
As punishment, Cain was forced to live with other people.
What people?
Either Adam and Eve had alot more children than the Bible states or there were other species of human beings around. Were these the Neanderthals or some other species that we don't know about?
If Adam and Eve were the first homo sapiens (MY conjecture), while other species of humans roamed the Earth, like the history books tell us, then that would be BIBLICAL PROOF that the idea that God created the universe in 6 literal days is wrong.
Of course, you can always claim that the story of Adam and Eve is just a story. I don't but some of you might.

Who were these other people?

Relative(s). The time Cain left and found himself a wife considerable time had passed.

 

[Suhar]

People lived much longer back then. Eve may have been pushing babies for hundreds of years

 

[horsecamp]

yup Adam lived hundreds of years with out needing Viagra

now days people have to have pills or drugs for darn near every thing even to poop

 

[Rex]

Cain killed Abel.
As punishment, Cain was forced to live with other people.
What people?
Either Adam and Eve had alot more children than the Bible states or there were other species of human beings around. Were these the Neanderthals or some other species that we don't know about?
If Adam and Eve were the first homo sapiens (MY conjecture), while other species of humans roamed the Earth, like the history books tell us, then that would be BIBLICAL PROOF that the idea that God created the universe in 6 literal days is wrong.
Of course, you can always claim that the story of Adam and Eve is just a story. I don't but some of you might.

Who were these other people?

Be careful John, especially If you start to get PM messages about people being on earth prior to Adam and Eve. or Satin having sex with Eve.
It leads to a dark understanding.

 

[John S]

JB - Are you saying that Cain went to live with his children and grandchildren? Why wasn't he living with them? His time with Abel SHOULD have been over many years before. Your interpretation doesn't make any sense. Why would Cain live with his parents and brother instead of with his children?

Suhar - Why doesn't the Bible mention the names of any of the other children?

Rex - Who said anything about Eve having sex with Satan?
Who were these other people?

 

[Suhar]

Suhar - Why doesn't the Bible mention the names of any of the other children?

[SIZE=medium]Bible does not mention a whole lot of things that are not important to the main message. [/SIZE]

 

[John S]

Genesis DOES mention that Cain went to live with other people. Since no one has ever brought the subject up before, it, apparently, isn't part of the "main message".

Suppose an antheist asked you this question, what would be your reply to him? - "Go away, it's not important enough".


MAYBE a minister will answer the question?

 

[Suhar]

Genesis DOES mention that Cain went to live with other people. Since no one has ever brought the subject up before, it, apparently, isn't part of the "main message".

Suppose an antheist asked you this question, what would be your reply to him? - "Go away, it's not important enough".


MAYBE a minister will answer the question?

You can question wisdom of the author of the book all you want. If God did not explain details of something then it is not worth explaining.

 

[Rach1370]

I haven't made a study of this topic, so this could be wrong...even my relation of this 'idea' could be wrong...sorry!
But....I have read (a while ago now), that the story of Adam, Eve and the garden, is of course, true, but in it's way, a focusing on the promised land. Clearly God created the whole world, the whole universe even!! But at times we see scripture focusing in on where 'the real story' is happening at that time. The garden was pretty important...it showed how God created things....good! It shows how mankind chose himself over God and introduces 'the enemy'. And it gives us the first preaching of the gospel from God himself.

Anyway, that's sort of the general idea. That yes, God created man...Adam was even probably 'the first'...but by no means does that mean he was the last! We are not given that exact information, but as you say...clearly there were people around...they had to have come from somewhere, and we know that God created the world. We may not know the why, where, and exact how, but I suspect that while Genesis directs our eyes towards the Garden and the massive, life changing things happening there, that outside it, life was still unfolding...following in the footsteps of our ultimate parents. It's interesting to note that this 'foreshadowing' happens so often in scripture. Something massive happens, and then it echos through scripture and mankind...leading up to an even more momentous occasion...Christ...in which we see everything (even the first event) was only a mere shadow of what God's plan was. And now as we live, Christ's work on the cross still echo's through life...leading to his second coming...dare I say the ultimate event...redemption!

 

[JB_Reformed Baptist]

JB - Are you saying that Cain went to live with his children and grandchildren? Why wasn't he living with them? His time with Abel SHOULD have been over many years before. Your interpretation doesn't make any sense. Why would Cain live with his parents and brother instead of with his children?

Suhar - Why doesn't the Bible mention the names of any of the other children?

Rex - Who said anything about Eve having sex with Satan?
Who were these other people?

No John. What I'm saying is since the banishment of Cain by God considerable period of time had expired. It would have to have been a daughter from the line of Adam and Eve, whether that's by another sibling or not for him to marry. Think in terms of 100's of years not tens of years, before he(Cain) found a wife.

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Where did Cain get his wife?

Most think that there was only Cain and Abel born to Adam and Eve but the Bible actually teaches that by the time Cain took a wife there were many human beings, that came from Adam.

Not everything recorded in the Book of Genesis is written in an exact chronological order. The events of Genesis eleven (the Tower of Babel) happened in the middle of chapter 10, chronologically speaking –Genesis 5:4 states, "Then the days of Adam after he became the father of Seth were eight hundred years, and he had other sons and daughters."

Both Adam and Eve driven out of the garden. Genesis 3:23-24: “therefore the LORD God sent him out of the garden of Eden to till the ground from which he was taken. So He drove out the man; and He placed cherubim at the east of the garden of Eden, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to guard the way to the tree of life.”

All their offspring were [SIZE=12pt]born outside the garden. Gen 5:4 "After he begot Seth, the days of Adam were eight hundred years; and he had sons and daughters.”[/SIZE]The male child born to Adam and Eve after Cain killed Abel was Seth, when Adam was 130 years old.

Gen 5:6 Seth lived one hundred and five years, and begot Enosh. Scripture tells us "After (Adam) he begot Seth, the days of Adam were eight hundred years; and he had sons and daughters." (Gen. 5:4). It also says of Seth "After he begot Enosh, Seth lived eight hundred and seven years, and had sons and daughters (Gen. 5:7). Daughters are not mentioned Gen.5 the phrase had sons and daughters is the key phrase but the first male born in the family is mentioned by name.
So either Cain got his wife sometime after from Seth's lineage or from Adam and Eves lineage that produced numerous children after they left the garden. We see by the record that there were a number of people by the time Cain killed his brother Abel. Genesis 4:15And the LORD said to him, "Therefore, whoever kills Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold." And the LORD set a mark on Cain, lest anyone finding him should kill him.”
Besides these three sons Adam and Eve had many other unnamed sons and daughters.The Bible does not give the exact time period when Cain took his wife. Depending on how much time there was between Cain being married, he either married a distant sister, or if enough time transpired, he could have married his own niece. Probably the later is true.

Marriage to a sister in the early stage of the human race was not considered wrong or unnatural. Even later on Abraham’s wife was his half-sister (20:12); also 24:4 and 28:2. God did not prohibit such marriages until the time of Moses when is was specifically stated it was against the law of God according to Lev. 18:9, 18:11, 20:17, and Deut. 27:22.

Genesis 4:16-17: “Then Cain went out from the presence of the LORD and dwelt in the land of Nod on the east of Eden. And Cain knew his wife, and she conceived and bore Enoch. And he built a city, and called the name of the city after the name of his son-- Enoch.”

We can see by how it is written it is a summary of a whole period of time. He married, his wife conceived and they even built a city; obviously with other people in the area he lived (Nod).

The imperfection from sin accumulated over time and eventually corrupted the gene pool, this made it wrong to marry within the family line. By Moses’ time it was forbidden.

http://www.letusreason.org/Biblexp15.htm

 

[Rex]

JB - Are you saying that Cain went to live with his children and grandchildren? Why wasn't he living with them? His time with Abel SHOULD have been over many years before. Your interpretation doesn't make any sense. Why would Cain live with his parents and brother instead of with his children?

Suhar - Why doesn't the Bible mention the names of any of the other children?

Rex - Who said anything about Eve having sex with Satan?
Who were these other people?

A little story
Soon after I started posting here I asked someone in a topic where did they get that Idea from, a short while latter I got a PM, with a link and a brief statement, "from here but I don't believe everything for this source", or words to that effect.

I got to reading the link attempting to explain this strange point, Then I wondered why didn't they just say this in the thread? and give a link?
Why agree with one point from a bible study site but then say you don't agree with the other teachings, it really made no sense to me, so I got looking around and WOW that's all I want to say it is WOW. Go to the bible study section and you see these two topics.
One right above another.

Mankind; two separate 'creation events'

What was the Real sin in the garden of Eden?

Why would anyone want to reference this site as source is beyond me, that's why I said watch for PMs because that's how I got mine in a similar topic.

Heres another C'P from the bible study link on the home page.
Mankind; the two separate creation events The FORMING of Adam in the Garden of Eden was a long time preceded by the CREATING of all the various peoples of the world. Understand why this was necessary and you are well on your way to understanding the plan of God.

Theses study's to say the least are bazaar,

 

[Suhar]

[SIZE=medium]OP. You are making one major mistake and you do not see it. Instead of believing God you are trying to figure Him out. Instead of believing that God created people you are trying to figure out how He did it. You will fail. You are not God.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium]That is what atheists do. In their pride they try to figure out God and when, predictably, they cannot they declare that there in no God.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium]Instead of trying to figure out God find a way to experience God. Once you experience God’s presence and greatness you will not need to question Him.[/SIZE]

 

[John S]

Rach - Would you want to speculate on who those other people were?

JB - I wasn't questioning your statement that Cain had children and grandchildren. I was wondering why he wasn't living with them instead of with his parents and brother. If he had been, he might not have killed Abel.


Rex - I had never even heard of Eve having sex with Satan until you had mentioned it. The only question that I had was - Who would think of something so sick?

Suhar - So because you can't come up with an answer, you would prefer to call me an atheist. Okey Dokey. Does that make you feel better about yourself?
When you have a question that you can't answer, do you call everyone an atheist or just me?
Do me a favor - Don't talk to me anymore and I won't talk to you.

 

[This Vale Of Tears]

Cain killed Abel.
As punishment, Cain was forced to live with other people.
What people?
Either Adam and Eve had alot more children than the Bible states or there were other species of human beings around. Were these the Neanderthals or some other species that we don't know about?
If Adam and Eve were the first homo sapiens (MY conjecture), while other species of humans roamed the Earth, like the history books tell us, then that would be BIBLICAL PROOF that the idea that God created the universe in 6 literal days is wrong.
Of course, you can always claim that the story of Adam and Eve is just a story. I don't but some of you might.

Who were these other people?

I've always been troubled by this myself because if we read Genesis as a synopsis of all relative facts we should know about the saga of mankind, then we have to think that it was written this way for a reason. The most usual way people deal with this is to interpret this rendering in such way as to avoid looking at the possibility that God created people that formed civilizations before he created Adam because such a conclusion lends validity to the assumption that the Adamic race was superior or at least curative of the shortcomings of previous races.

I do find myself asking, what if God really did create a superior race? Should I ignore that question because I find it repugnant? But I'm forced to ask myself that question because other explanations really stretch the truth. It's difficult to take as credible that the civilizations that Cain referred to by which he would take a wife and by which he feared danger were in fact all family members even if we allowed centuries to take place between the fall of Adam and Eve and the slaying of Cain's brother, Abel. Families grow large and become clans which become tribes who build cities, but for this to reach a point that Cain would be traveling among alien cultures requires more time than we can expect from a single family.

I've written many articles about Western Civilization as a superior culture that brought modernity and civilization to the world. I myself come from a race that was civilized by Europeans. And let's face it, when we're talking about Europeans and Western culture, we're talking about white people. Has God before used one people to bring his blessings to the entire world? Can we compare this to Christianity being brought to the whole world through the wellspring of the Jewish people? (Jn 4:22) It seems that an Adamic race by which all other races are ameliorated does find precedent.

So even though I remain undecided, I do find the courage to ask myself these questions. I do know for certain that if a superior race exists, it's no excuse for that race to mistreat or forcefully subjugate other races in Nietzsche-istic fashion. My race was subject to Manifest Destiny including dislocation, relocation, and outright genocide. I'm better for it today because I'm spared from the primitive ways of my ancestors, but that doesn't make it right.

 

[JB_Reformed Baptist]

Rach - Would you want to speculate on who those other people were?

JB - I wasn't questioning your statement that Cain had children and grandchildren. I was wondering why he wasn't living with them instead of with his parents and brother. If he had been, he might not have killed Abel.


Rex - I had never even heard of Eve having sex with Satan until you had mentioned it. The only question that I had was - Who would think of something so sick?

Suhar - So because you can't come up with an answer, you would prefer to call me an atheist. Okey Dokey. Does that make you feel better about yourself?
When you have a question that you can't answer, do you call everyone an atheist or just me?
Do me a favor - Don't talk to me anymore and I won't talk to you.

Initially Cain lived on his own. It isn't until later he gets himself a bride.


NB: Because he suggested to God he would be the subject of possible numerous beatings and even death doesn't suggest at the time there were other people existing.

 

[John S]

TVOT - You seem to be saying that you are a native American.
Just so you don't misunderstand me, I'm NOT claiming that the white race is superior.
In fact, it's rather doubtful that Adam and Eve were white.

This is off topic, but I believe that the natives of the Americas, along with all of the immigrants, including those who were forced to come here, were adopted into the Tribes of Israel, just like the sons of Joseph were adopted by Jacob.

 

[Arnie Manitoba]

Every human was descended from Adam and Eve

There is enough boring genealogy in the bible ..... be glad there isn't more.

There are a trillion things that are not explained in the bible

Who Cain's wife was , would make it a trillion and one .

When the atheist asks where Cain got his wife ..... ask him where he originally learned about Cain in the first place ..... and he must reply he got it from the bible ...... a bible which he does not even believe in ...... so tell him he stands on a position of nothing , in the middle of nowhere , looking like a complete idiot asking dumb questions.

 

[Rach1370]

Rach - Would you want to speculate on who those other people were?

I don't know that I need to speculate....for me it's enough that the bible said there were other people, and that Cain married one...etc.

But if I were to speculate (and please keep in mind that for me this IS purely speculation...I'm not claiming at all that this is what the bible teaches...I have not studied enough to even suggest that), we know the bible concentrates on 'the promised line'....so to speak. God told Eve after the fall, that her 'offspring' would crush Satan...we know this to be a reference to Christ's defeat of Satan on the cross. And so the bible follows the decendants of Adam and Eve, the forming of Israel, the new covenants God makes with Abraham and then David....this is the story we need to know...it speaks of our salvation.

But the bible says that there were other people present when Cain was banished. So...do we assume that by the time this had happened Eve had had dozens and dozens of babies...and that Cain married his sister? Or do we speculate that while Adam and Eve were the dawning of manking through God's hands...that perhaps after them he made more. Just as God made the earth on day one...but not the stars until day 4...the story is clearly seen and set on earth, we don't hear of any of those stars really....but clearly he created all of them!

Anyway....it's just a thought. I'm not sure we NEED to know...it's certainly not necessary to know this sort of thing for our salvation. I suppose it will something we will come to understand when we are in the next life with Christ.

 

[Rex]

Rex - I had never even heard of Eve having sex with Satan until you had mentioned it. The only question that I had was - Who would think of something so sick?

The same people that teach Gen 1:27 is evidence of people being created before Adam. The common denominator is this, whether you believe the Satan and Eve sex thing the end result is, from the very beginning all people that were born of Cain "son of Satan" were and have been destine to damnation and all people born of Seth are destine for salvation.

It's the same thing taught with Gen 1:27, all people that were created before Adam are not of the promise, and those born of Seth are. Ether of these twisted interpretations leads down the road of secular racism. Another place that some find refuge that believe this stuff is Calvinism, it provides a nice umbrella of cover for these believers because even though they believe it they rarely openly publicly testify to it. But Calvin supported the notion that your ether an elect or the damned. Same thing being taught here. In that this information becomes something of a kind of secret knowledge, known only to those that have been enlightened.

You can read about the Gen 1:27 interpretation from the same web site I posted that contained the Satan Eve sex thing.
What I am saying is there are explanations for your question but they are rather strange. By your own admition, it leads to things you have never heard before,
It's just a friendly warning.


http://biblestudysite.com/creation.htm
And below is a quote from the page,
one thing that can be learned though, it becomes easier to identify people that believe things like this If you understand what they do believe.

This is those whom we refer to as the Sixth Day Creation. We observed that male and female were created at the same time on that sixth day (after all the animals are created). We also notice that Adam and Eve are not yet on the scene, they will not be mentioned by name until the next chapter.
The people created on the above sixth day, are all the separate races. All the distinct and diverse races were created on this sixth day. Someone asked me how it was that I knew that God created all the various races on this Sixth Day since it does not specifically say that there were different races created, just that mankind were created at the same time both males and females. I answered him: "Because they are here."
The same as I know that God created the Dolphin and the Butterfly, though the Bible never comes right out and says that God created them by name. God created everything and everyone, "All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made." (John 1:3).
There are two perversions of God's natural order, they are the Kenite (sons of Cain) and the Giants (the sons of the fallen angels from Gen 6:4), in both instances it was the specific females of Adam's line (family-race) that the females were taken from to fashion the abomination (i.e.; not of the Sixth Day peoples). God set these two events apart and dealt with them in the Scriptures, explaining what had happened.
God created the differences in the races and he made them just the way He wanted them to be, He loves all His children. This is the significance of the use of the word "God" in these creation verses. As we saw, the word "God," is translated from the Hebrew word 'elohiym (el-o-heem'), and in English here it refers to: "God and the Angels". The Angels have individual looks and so do flesh mankind.

(For a thorough foundation, see: WHEN WAS THE BEGINNING , MANKIND; THE TWO SEPARATE 'CREATION' EVENTS, WHAT WAS THE REAL SIN IN THE GARDEN OF EDEN?!?).