Where is heaven going to be?

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afaithfulone4u

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We all talk about going to heaven... but doesn't heaven come down to earth literally after the 1,000 yrs? And we reign upon the earth?
Didn't Martha know that there was going to be a resurrection in the LAST DAY? But she knew nothing of heaven. And what did Jesus tell her?
John 11:21-26
21 Then said Martha unto Jesus, Lord, if thou hadst been here, my brother had not died.
22 But I know, that even now, whatsoever thou wilt ask of God, God will give it thee.
23 Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again.
24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.
25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?
KJV

What can that mean if we still go into the ground, and what exactly did Jesus mean we shall never die if we do just the same as all men in the past have done, passed on? If he said that he would rise now because Jesus is the resurrection, then what about others.
Jesus also told us where the kingdom of God is, he said it is WITHIN US, meaning we each must find our path by following Christ and seeking the KEYS(the principles) and the keys boil down to faith in God and His Word, seedtime & harvest, sowing and reaping.
Matt 10:7-10
7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.
8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.
9 Provide neither gold, nor silver, nor brass in your purses,
10 Nor scrip for your journey, neither two coats, neither shoes, nor yet staves: for the workman is worthy of his meat.
KJV
Matt 13:44
44 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto treasure hid in a field; the which when a man hath found, he hideth, and for joy thereof goeth and selleth all that he hath, and buyeth that field.
KJV
Mark 4:26-29
26 And he said, So is the kingdom of God, as if a man should cast seed into the ground;
27 And should sleep, and rise night and day, and the seed should spring and grow up, he knoweth not how.
28 For the earth bringeth forth fruit of herself; first the blade, then the ear, after that the full corn in the ear.
29 But when the fruit is brought forth, immediately he putteth in the sickle, because the harvest is come.
KJV
Mark 10:15
15 Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child, he shall not enter therein.
KJV


A little child believes every Word that proceeds from their father's mouth and trust him completely! And so must we if we ever plan to take possession of our promised land. Many of the Hebrew children did not see their promised land due to unbelief.... let that not be us!

Luke 17:20-21
20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is WITHIN YOU.
KJV

Blessings


How is it that we think that only at the end when Jesus comes can we see part of our promisedland?
The Hebrews,of who did not live in unbelief, seen their promised land before Jesus ever came. Abraham went to the land that God to him and was rich inside and out.

Gen 24:35
35 And the LORD hath blessed my master greatly; and he is become great: and he hath given him flocks, and herds, and silver, and gold, and menservants, and maidservants, and camels, and asses.
KJV

Evil people gain ill gotten wealth.. but God's people know that it is the LORD who prospers them and they understand that it is for their obedience of His Word & by faith and not of their ownself.
All who put their trust in themselves to gain wealth without God's hand in it, will be put to shame and it will rot or be given to another!

When you seek to be rich in your inwardly parts, expect God to bless you accordingly! He promises it and I believe it! Do you?
Isa 31:1
31:1 Woe to them that go down to Egypt for help; and stay on horses, and trust in chariots, because they are many; and in horsemen, because they are very strong; but they look not unto the Holy One of Israel, neither seek the LORD!
KJV
While this is speaking of coming against enemies, it applies to all who call Him their LORD for all their needs in life!
 

Rach1370

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I tend to think that there is a difference between "heaven" and "the new heavens and new earth". I think "heaven" is the current dwelling place of the Lord...the place that souls go once their bodies are in the ground. There they wait until they are resurrected and given a 'new' body....just as both heaven (the stars!) and this earth, will be made anew...no longer groaning under the weight of sin.

So yeah...I think ultimately all Christians will end up living in the New Jerusalem...the city described in Revelations...the one that comes down from heaven after the world has been remade. This is where we will spend eternity.

But truly....while I believe that's what scripture teaches....I don't care 'where' it will be...as long as I'm with Jesus.
 

Axehead

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Amen Rach!

As i was reading through this I had the same thought you had, and then I saw you made the statement I was going to make. "...as long as I'm with Jesus".

Since, Jesus is our Life, Heaven is not heaven, without Jesus. How could it be?
 

Arnie Manitoba

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In the future the new Jerusalem will come down to where mankind is.
That indicates the New Jerusalem exists somewhere right now.
We generically call it .... "Heaven" .....
It is also the place where the departed Christian currently resides
As well as thousands of angels

Hebrews 12 describes it too
22 But you have come to Mount Zion, to the heavenly Jerusalem, the city of the living God. You have come to thousands upon thousands of angels in joyful assembly, 23 to the church of the firstborn, whose names are written in heaven. You have come to God, the judge of all men, to the spirits of righteous men made perfect, 24 to Jesus the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood that speaks a better word than the blood of Abel.

In summary .... that is where we Christians come up with slogans like ..... "we go to heaven when we die" ..... "we go to be with the angels" .... etc.

Then at the very end God makes a new heaven and new earth and they are together ...... God is with man and man is with God.
 

afaithfulone4u

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Arnie Manitoba said:
In the future the new Jerusalem will come down to where mankind is.
That indicates the New Jerusalem exists somewhere right now.
We generically call it .... "Heaven" .....
It is also the place where the departed Christian currently resides
As well as thousands of angels

Hebrews 12 describes it too
22 But you have come to Mount Zion, to the heavenly Jerusalem, the city of the living God. You have come to thousands upon thousands of angels in joyful assembly, 23 to the church of the firstborn, whose names are written in heaven. You have come to God, the judge of all men, to the spirits of righteous men made perfect, 24 to Jesus the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood that speaks a better word than the blood of Abel.

In summary .... that is where we Christians come up with slogans like ..... "we go to heaven when we die" ..... "we go to be with the angels" .... etc.

Then at the very end God makes a new heaven and new earth and they are together ...... God is with man and man is with God.
We must understand that ministers of God and His kingdom powers, are the angels. Just as we are being trained up in the Word to be angels rulers with Christ in the new earth to come. Mountain means kingdom or power. A fallen angel is one who did rule at one time as son's of God over the earth but they fell into sin and down to the lower depths of living. Even though men do not know God or believe in Him, changes nothing, police, militaries and all authorities that have been given power to rule over men in some way are MINISTER'S for God and they are either good or evil.. yet it is only those who are righteous that are vessels of honor.
Heb 1:7
7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.
KJV
Rom 13:1-7
13:1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:
4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.
5 Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.
6 For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing.
7 Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tri
KJV

Who makes laws in this world? Authorities right? And who did it say added more laws due to transgressions of the original 10 commandments? Angels, meaning authorities.
Gal 3:19
19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
KJV

God is ALWAYS in control of everything that happens on the earth, nothing escapes His eyes nor is allowed without His permission.
Blessings