Where's James Gandolfini now?

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[SIZE=11pt]†.[/SIZE][SIZE=11pt] Ecc 7:2 . . It is better to go to a house of mourning than to go to a house[/SIZE]
[SIZE=11pt]of gaiety, for death is the destiny of every man; the living should take this[/SIZE]
[SIZE=11pt]seriously.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=11pt]Gandolfini won three Emmys, three SAG Awards, and one Golden Globe for[/SIZE]
[SIZE=11pt]his performance as Tony Soprano on the acclaimed HBO drama "The[/SIZE]
[SIZE=11pt]Sopranos". It remains HBO's highest-rated series ever, with 13.4 million[/SIZE]
[SIZE=11pt]viewers tuning in for the Season 4 premiere in 2002. But none of that[/SIZE]
[SIZE=11pt]matters in the afterlife.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=11pt]†.[/SIZE][SIZE=11pt] Matt 16:26 . . And how do you benefit if you gain the whole world but[/SIZE]
[SIZE=11pt]lose your own soul in the process?[/SIZE]

[SIZE=11pt]†.[/SIZE][SIZE=11pt] Luke 12:16-21 . . He spoke a parable to them, saying: The ground of a[/SIZE]
[SIZE=11pt]certain rich man yielded plentifully. And he thought within himself, saying:[/SIZE]
[SIZE=11pt]What shall I do, since I have no room to store my crops? So he said: I will[/SIZE]
[SIZE=11pt]do this; I will pull down my barns and build greater, and there I will store all[/SIZE]
[SIZE=11pt]my crops and my goods. And I will say to my soul: Soul, you have many[/SIZE]
[SIZE=11pt]goods laid up for many years; take your ease; eat, drink, and be merry. But[/SIZE]
[SIZE=11pt]God said to him: Fool! This night your soul will be required of you; then[/SIZE]
[SIZE=11pt]whose will those things be which you have provided? So is he who lays up[/SIZE]
[SIZE=11pt]treasure for himself, and is not rich toward God.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=11pt]Sudden deaths like Gandolfini's are the scourge of so-called death bed[/SIZE]
[SIZE=11pt]conversions. The Bible says to make peace with God now, while you have[/SIZE]
[SIZE=11pt]the opportunity, lest the hour should come when there's no time.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=11pt]Famed water-sports actress Esther Williams died this month on June 6,[/SIZE]
[SIZE=11pt]2013. How many people under 30 even knew who she was? Yes; it will only[/SIZE]
[SIZE=11pt]be a matter of time before every one of us passes into obscurity; right along[/SIZE]
[SIZE=11pt]with Esther Williams.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=11pt]†.[/SIZE][SIZE=11pt] Jas 4:14 . .You know not what shall be on the morrow[/SIZE]. For what is your
[SIZE=11pt]life? It is even a vapor, that appears for a little time, and then vanishes[/SIZE]
[SIZE=11pt]away.[/SIZE]

Buen Camino
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[Arnie Manitoba]

[SIZE=11pt]with 13.4 million[/SIZE][SIZE=11pt] viewers tuning in for the Season 4 premiere in 2002. [/SIZE]

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Who is to blame ..... [SIZE=11pt]Gandolfini ....?? ... or the 13.4 million viewers ...??[/SIZE]

I say it all starts with the viewers.

And that is you and me and our neighbors.

 

[Niki]

Personally, I'm wondering which way Solomon went.

He was much more interesting than this guy. ;)

 

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[SIZE=medium]According to one report I read; James Gandolfini is in a morgue in Rome, and soon to be in[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]transit to New York.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium]Pop Quiz: Jesus was buried on the surface of the earth in a rock-hewn tomb; but according to[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]Mtt 12:40 he was also in the heart of the earth. What's your guess as to how Christ could be in[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]two places at once?[/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium]BTW: While Jonah was undergoing digestion in the fish's tummy, Jon 2:6 says he was situated[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]at the roots of the mountains. What's your guess as to how Jonah could be in two places at once?[/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium]Question: Could it be possible that Gandolfini also, even right now, is in two places at once? If so;[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]where might the second be?[/SIZE]

Buen Camino
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[aspen]

Why do people speculate on the eternal destination of famous people when they die? I think it is as vain as speculating on the return date of Christ - not only do we have no idea what we are talking about, but it reveals our malnourished spiritual condition.

 

[Rex]

Why do people speculate on the eternal destination of famous people when they die? I think it is as vain as speculating on the return date of Christ - not only do we have no idea what we are talking about, but it reveals our malnourished spiritual condition.

LOL
Hello beam meet speck in the eye.

I suggest you recite your statement to your Bishop at the next saint feast day. Just pick any one of the thousands your church has proclaimed saintsand and honor with special days according to the RCC, Then consider the thousands they also condemned to hell LOL. It would seem that beam can't stand someone horning in on the action.

Tell us apsen whats the difference between your church leaders and anyone else that chooses to speculate about things they know nothing about or have never seen?

Why do you embrace one and critique another?

 

[JB_Reformed Baptist]

Why do people speculate on the eternal destination of famous people when they die? I think it is as vain as speculating on the return date of Christ - not only do we have no idea what we are talking about, but it reveals our malnourished spiritual condition.

WOW, I actually concur 100%. :)

LOL
Hello beam meet speck in the eye.

I suggest you recite your statement to your Bishop at the next saint feast day. Just pick any one of the thousands your church has proclaimed saintsand and honor with special days according to the RCC, Then consider the thousands they also condemned to hell LOL. It would seem that beam can't stand someone horning in on the action.

Tell us apsen whats the difference between your church leaders and anyone else that chooses to speculate about things they know nothing about or have never seen?

Why do you embrace one and critique another?

Excellent point(s). :) SHALOM

 

[aspen]

LOL
Hello beam meet speck in the eye.

I suggest you recite your statement to your Bishop at the next saint feast day. Just pick any one of the thousands your church has proclaimed saintsand and honor with special days according to the RCC, Then consider the thousands they also condemned to hell LOL. It would seem that beam can't stand someone horning in on the action.

Tell us apsen whats the difference between your church leaders and anyone else that chooses to speculate about things they know nothing about or have never seen?

Why do you embrace one and critique another?

Oh Rex, you're so clever.....

You know very well that the RCC does not make saints or damn souls. There is a big difference between singling out a person who has walked with Christ during their lives as an example for others AND picking out someone who has engaged in behavior or acted in violent films so that you can pretend that they might be in Heaven when you really expect them to be in Hell. It is vanity.

 

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[SIZE=11pt]High-profile celebrity deaths like Gandolfini's are handy for reminding people that[/SIZE]
[SIZE=11pt]sometimes the Grim Reaper shows up uninvited when we least expect him; for[/SIZE]
[SIZE=11pt]example Michael Jackson. No doubt the last thing on the king of pop's mind that[/SIZE]
[SIZE=11pt]day was the possibility of it being his last on earth. No; he was all geared up for a[/SIZE]
[SIZE=11pt]concert tour when poof! he was gone; and never knew what hit 'em. The gloved[/SIZE]
[SIZE=11pt]one was not yet 50.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=11pt]All I'm saying is: young people shouldn't count on getting old. Sudden death via[/SIZE]
[SIZE=11pt]crime, health, freak accident, or an act of God, makes living to old age iffy at best.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=11pt]On a different note: there's an actual case history of a man in hell depicted at Luke[/SIZE]
[SIZE=11pt]16:19-31. He's miserable of course; and his tongue is parched. But those are minor[/SIZE]
[SIZE=11pt]concerns. What he was really worried about is the family he left behind. So he[/SIZE]
[SIZE=11pt]begged his paterfamilias to send a messenger to his kin to let them know where he[/SIZE]
[SIZE=11pt]is because he was very afraid they were all going to follow him right down there.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=11pt]But Abraham pointed out that his request isn't possible.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=11pt]Question: Depending upon Gandolfini's current afterlife location; what do you[/SIZE]
[SIZE=11pt]suppose he would tell his wife and 13 year-old son if it were possible to get a[/SIZE]
[SIZE=11pt]message to them?[/SIZE]

Buen Camino
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[Rex]

Oh Rex, you're so clever.....

You know very well that the RCC does not make saints or damn souls. There is a big difference between singling out a person who has walked with Christ during their lives as an example for others AND picking out someone who has engaged in behavior or acted in violent films so that you can pretend that they might be in Heaven when you really expect them to be in Hell. It is vanity.

I Suppose that saying the RCC doesn't make saints is akin to saying to saying the RCC doesn't advocate homosexuality, but is very comfortable allowing the practice to flourish with-in it's structure. In that lays a phrase "actions speak louder than words"

Now notice the requirements in the

hand book to become a saint recognized in the RCC.
It looks as though the pope is very involved. See below

Back to the original question you dodged, why do you reprove someone "rightfully so" for speculating on someones eternal destination, yet embrace the same practice out of the other side of your face? By your own distorted standards is this "unconditional loving" or picking and choosing? You see where my confusion is aspen? their is nothing nothing special about your church or your own standards of "justification" as compared to any other person or institution, it's all very biased, right and wrong are subject to people and conditions, such as who you are and whether or not the church recognizes it or not.

http://www.dummies.com/how-to/content/how-to-become-a-saint-in-the-catholic-church.html

How to Become a Saint in the Catholic Church

First of all, a clarification: The Catholic Church doesn’t make saints like Hollywood makes movie stars. Catholics saints are men and women who lived holy lives in obedience to God’s will, and they became saints at the moment they entered heaven. However, the Church does recognize those souls that the Church can confirm are in heaven as saints.
The process for being declared a saint is ancient, traditional, and often mysterious. Evidence must be presented to persuade Church officials that the person in question in fact lived a virtuous life, had faith, and had the support and help of God. The Church also looks at miracles as evidence that God is working through that person.



Stages on the road to sainthood
Usually, the process of recognizing a saint starts no earlier than five years after a person’s death. Usually, the potential saint’s pastor presents the case to the bishop. Specific stages are met on the path to being declared a saint:

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  Servant of God: As soon as the person is accepted for consideration, she’s called a Servant of God.
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  Venerable: After the Vatican Congregation for the Causes of Saints determines that the servant of God lived a life of heroic virtue, she is granted the title of venerable. Heroic virtue doesn’t mean a person was perfect or sinless, but that she worked aggressively to improve herself spiritually and never gave up trying to be better and grow in holiness.
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  Blessed: After the Church establishes one miracle, the venerable person’s cause is presented to the pope to see whether he deems her worthy of being called blessed. This step is called beatification and is the next-to-last step.
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  *Saint: Another miracle and the blessed person’s cause is presented to the pope again for his judgment. If he determines that the evidence is clear and that contrary reports aren’t credible, he may initiate the canonization procedure. If all goes well, the candidate is publicly recognized as a saint.

The process
Only people whose existence can be verified and whose lives can be examined are possible candidates for canonization. Candidates for sainthood undergo an investigation:

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  Informative inquiries are made into the person’s life, reputation, and activities while they lived on earth
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  Proof that no one has proclaimed or is already proclaiming and honoring the person as a saint before it’s been officially declared
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  A thorough examination of the person’s written and spoken (transcripts) works

If the thorough background check leads the investigators to declare the candidate venerable, evidence of miracles attributed to the candidate’s intercession with God is sought. Miracles need to be documented and authenticated, so eyewitnesses alone are considered insufficient. Medical, scientific, psychiatric, and theological experts are consulted, and evidence is given to them for their professional opinion. If a scientific, medical, or psychological explanation exists for what had only appeared to be a miracle, then it isn’t an authentic miracle. Only immediate, spontaneous, and inexplicable phenomena are up for consideration as authentic miracles.
A group of Italian doctors (Consulta Medica) examine the healing miracles. Some of the doctors aren’t Catholic and some are, but all are qualified and renowned physicians. They don’t declare a healing a miracle, but instead say, “We can find no scientific or medical explanation for the cure.”
Besides miraculous healings, the commission examines other phenomena:

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  Incorruptibility: Long after the saint is dead, the body is found free of decay when exhumed from the grave. The Church considers St. Catherine of Siena to be an example. She died in 1380, and 600 years later without any embalming, her flesh hasn’t decomposed.
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  *Liquefaction: The dried blood of the saint, long dead, miraculously liquefies on the feast day. The Church considers St. Januarius (San Gennaro in Italian; A.D. 275?–305), the patron saint of Naples, to be an example. According to the Church, a vial of his dried blood liquefies every year on September 19.
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  Odor of sanctity: The body of the saint exudes a sweet aroma, like roses, rather than the usual pungent stench of decay. The Church considers St. Teresa of Avila (1515–82) to be just such an example. The Church believes her grave exuded a sweet fragrance for nine months after her death.

The pope alone decides who is publicly recognized as a saint in churches all over the world and gets a feast day.
The actual act of beatification, in which a person is declared blessed, or of canonization, which is officially recognizing a saint, usually takes place in St. Peter’s Square outside the Vatican and St. Peter’s Basilica. Sometimes, though, the pope beatifies and canonizes in the country where the person lived and died, as in the case of St. Juan Diego. He was an Aztec peasant, and the Church believes Mary, as Our Lady of Guadalupe, appeared to him in Mexico in 1531. In his case, 12,000 people were present in the Basilica in Mexico City, and 30,000 waited outside, watching on video monitors.

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You see aspen this is where it gets confusing this quote from a book begins as you did,
quote aspen "You know very well that the RCC does not make saints or damn souls."

But then as the book and yourself say, you turn right around and end the bottom line with
"The pope alone decides who is publicly recognized as a saint in churches all over the world and gets a feast day."

I'm sorry but I find such hypocritical mind sets to be unhealthy, irrational and not founded in christian attributes.
Love your neighbor as yourself, doesn't mean whats ok for for me, is not ok for you.
I pray that someday you are rescued from the condition of hypocritical confusion. So then you can accept everyone, even those outside your church even when they practice the same things your church does. Such as declaring who is and who isn't a saint ect ect ect.

 

[Niki]

Oh ouch. Anyone want a flak jacket? I may have one in the attic somewhere.............. :unsure:

I still wonder where Solomon went..................

(an attempt at levity before I'm forced to choose sides...I like both you guys!)

 

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[SIZE=11pt]Webers_Home, on 22 Jun 2013 - 08:48 AM, said:[/SIZE][SIZE=11pt] The gloved one was not[/SIZE]
[SIZE=11pt]yet 50.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=11pt]Correction: 51[/SIZE]

Buen Camino
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[Rex]

Oh ouch. Anyone want a flak jacket? I may have one in the attic somewhere.............. :unsure:

I still wonder where Solomon went..................

(an attempt at levity before I'm forced to choose sides...I like both you guys!)

Nothing cuts quite like the truth
And blatant denial is rather a poor shelter to wrap ones self in,

You may as well ponder David's and Mose's fate as well, they weren't exactly without faults or weaknesses, or maybe it because Solomon pondered the very question in depth you are now?

 

[aspen]

Give up Rex. If you really believe that the Pope decides who goes to Heaven and who goes to Hell, you need to go get a Catechism and straighten out your twisted understanding. Your confusion is too great to be clarified on a message board. I will be praying the God gives you wisdom.

 

[Niki]

Nothing cuts quite like the truth
And blatant denial is rather a poor shelter to wrap ones self in,

You may as well ponder David's and Mose's fate as well, they weren't exactly without faults or weaknesses, or maybe it because Solomon pondered the very question in depth you are now?

Well that is not quite right. There are many things that cut others. Truth, sets us free. I don't see that happening here...nothing personal, I just found it got nasty
and that shuts people down.

Faults and weaknesses? Actually they were just real good at sinning like the rest of us ;) That's why we need a Savior! :)

 

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People in various places are still referring to James Gandolfini as Mr. Gandolfini.
But he's no longer a "Mr" anything: he's a corpse-- just another insignificant skull
in the gene pool facing an uncertain future.

†. Dan 12:2 . . And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake,
some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

†. John 5:28-29 . . A time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his
voice and come out-- those who have done good will rise to live, and those who
have done evil will rise to be condemned.

Buen Camino
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