Where's Jeffry Dahmer Now?

[Webers_Home]

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J.D. was a gay man who murdered upwards of 18 males. I won't go into the
grisly details of those incidents other than to say that he cannibalized,
lobotomized, dismembered, beheaded, eviscerated, and performed
unspeakable acts of necrophilia with their remains.

His primary motivation? Well; none of those murders were done in a spirit of
malice; nor were they kill-for-thrill murders either. His primary motivation
was actually very practical. You see; Dahmer was a lonely gay man plagued
with some serious abandonment issues. So in order to prevent his lovers
from leaving, he simply killed them so they couldn't. His attempts to
lobotomize some of the males and turn them into love zombies resulted in
their demise.

Now what really interests me the most about Dahmer is that it's reported he
became a born-again Christian while in prison. If that report is true, then
according to John 3:3-8 Jeffry didn't go to hell. Well; let me tell you: I
wouldn't be surprised if faithful church-goers in hell, who had been model
citizens all their entire lives; would be very angry with God for Mr. Dahmer's
access to heaven while they're imprisoned in the other place. Surely they
have to question how that's fair.

Buen Camino
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[Dodo_David]

Please tell me that the first post in this thread is sarcasm.

 

[aspen]

Weber are you Catholic? You sure seem interested in the eternal destiny of notorious and famous people who have died.....

 

[williemac]

FYI, to the op. you mention the word 'fair'. Is it fair of God to offer life and forgiveness to one sinner but not another? Was the cross merely a partial sacrifice for sin as long as the sin is not too ugly in man's viewpoint? Got news for you. All sin is the same in God's eyes. If Jesus died for one He died for all. As well, no one in heaven will be unhappy with God's character, I can assure you.

This is a forgiveness issue. I am forgiven my sin. Far be it from me to hold another's sin against him, whom is an object of God's love.
Besides, if J.D. did in fact become a new creation, his sin no longer exists. It died with his old man.
This op, if serious, really demonstrates a severe lack of understanding.

 

[Webers_Home]

faithful church-goers in hell, who had been model citizens all their
entire lives; would be very angry with God for Mr. Dahmer's
access to heaven while they're imprisoned in the other place.

Church-going model citizens in hell? What's with that? Well; I'll tell
you what's with that. They neglected to get themselves born again
before checking out.

†. John 3:3 . .Truly, truly, I say to you: unless one is born again, he
cannot see the kingdom of God.

If Jesus meant what he said; then no one is exempt; viz: even Old
Testament people like Abel, Seth, Noah, Abraham, Sarah, Isaac,
Rebecca, Jacob, Rachel, Joseph, Moses, Aaron, Joshua, Deborah,
Samson, Gideon, Ruth and Boaz, David, Solomon, and all the prophets
had to undergo the Spirit birth about which Jesus spoke at John 3:3-8
just like everybody else in order to make it to safety when they crossed
over to the other side. So; where does that leave the Atheist, the
Agnostic, the secular humanist, the skeptic, the Hindu, the Muslim, and
the Buddhist?

Jesus' version of Christianity is definitely the religion of choice for twisted
men like Jeffry Dahmer because Christ gave his life a conciliatory offering
for the whole world; not just for the do-gooder portion of the world.

†. 1 John 2:2 . . He himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours
only, but also for those of the whole world.

It's fascinating to me that Jesus gave his life to rescue and protect not only
heinous serial killers like Dahmer, but also petty little thieves like Lindsay
Lohan.

But getting back to the Spirit birth about which Jesus spoke at John 3:3-8.
Left up to nature; Jeffry would have gone right on being Jeffry (Jer 13:23).
In other words; he never would have stopped desiring to sleep with a corpse,
and/or the remains of corpse, either in this iife or the next. The Spirit birth
circumvented that so when Jeffry left this life, he went out of here another man.

†. 2Cor 5:17 . . if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation

One of the benefits of the Spirit birth about which the Lord spoke at John
3:3-8, is that it grants people not only release from the wrath of God; but
also release from themselves. The Spirit doesn't renovate people's original
self nor even attempt to reform it. No, the Spirit totally disregards their
original self and gives them a new one. In other words: were you to meet
Jeffry Dahmer today; you would be unable to detect the slightest remnant of
the gay, introverted, anti-social, chronically depressed, serial-killing
necrophiliac he was in this life; and he would be completely free from all of
his previous life's abandonment issues too.

†. Col 2:11 . . In him you were also circumcised, in the putting off of the
sinful nature, not with a circumcision done by the hands of men but with the
circumcision done by Christ

Jeffry's new self is 110% sinless; and thus, right at home in the land of God.

†. 1John 3:9 . .Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed
remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.

You sure seem interested in the eternal destiny of notorious and famous
people who have died

While attending a Billy Graham crusade back in September of 1976, in what
used to be San Diego's Jack Murphy Stadium, I was impressed by the way
he wove the Gospel into current events and contemporary culture. Billy kept
himself informed; and took advantage of things that people were familiar with
to drive home his points. His method got people's attention; and I decided
right then and there that's the way I'd do it if perchance the opportunity ever
arose.

Well; that was before the internet. Now; guys like Billy are dinosaurs, and
those of us on the world wide web are a new breed of crusader. We don't
need a stadium and/or an advance team and a pile of money; all we need
is a computer and internet access. We don't travel the world by airplane
like Billy did; we travel the world by mouse clicks.

Buen Camino
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[Pelaides]

.
J.D. was a gay man who murdered upwards of 18 males. I won't go into the
grisly details of those incidents other than to say that he cannibalized,
lobotomized, dismembered, beheaded, eviscerated, and performed
unspeakable acts of necrophilia with their remains.

His primary motivation? Well; none of those murders were done in a spirit of
malice; nor were they kill-for-thrill murders either. His primary motivation
was actually very practical. You see; Dahmer was a lonely gay man plagued
with some serious abandonment issues. So in order to prevent his lovers
from leaving, he simply killed them so they couldn't. His attempts to
lobotomize some of the males and turn them into love zombies resulted in
their demise.

Now what really interests me the most about Dahmer is that it's reported he
became a born-again Christian while in prison. If that report is true, then
according to John 3:3-8 Jeffry didn't go to hell. Well; let me tell you: I
wouldn't be surprised if faithful church-goers in hell, who had been model
citizens all their entire lives; would be very angry with God for Mr. Dahmer's
access to heaven while they're imprisoned in the other place. Surely they
have to question how that's fair.

Buen Camino
/

It does not have to do with whats right and whats wrong,it has to go with the will of God.You seem offended that our God is a merciful God willing to accept the worst kind of sinners providing they repent of their sins and accept the blood of Jesus.

Jesus loved mary magadalene,a terrible woman who was once possesed by demons,One of the criminals that was crucified with him,was promised salvation.

 

[afaithfulone4u]

FYI, to the op. you mention the word 'fair'. Is it fair of God to offer life and forgiveness to one sinner but not another? Was the cross merely a partial sacrifice for sin as long as the sin is not too ugly in man's viewpoint? Got news for you. All sin is the same in God's eyes. If Jesus died for one He died for all. As well, no one in heaven will be unhappy with God's character, I can assure you.

This is a forgiveness issue. I am forgiven my sin. Far be it from me to hold another's sin against him, whom is an object of God's love.
Besides, if J.D. did in fact become a new creation, his sin no longer exists. It died with his old man.
This op, if serious, really demonstrates a severe lack of understanding.

Well said!
We have all done something worthy of unforgiveness, some worse than others yet Christ died for ALL, so that means it is possible that ALL can receive salvation for their repentant heart who desire a fresh start by receiving Christ to indwell them and renew their way of thinking.

 

[Webers_Home]

mary magadalene,a terrible woman

A what?! A terrible woman?! Where in God's name did you get that idea?!

Now look here; just because somebody's body is playing host to demons
doesn't make them an eo ipso terrible person. There are several instances in
the New Testament where decent folk, even innocent children, were infected
with demons. It's not all that uncommon a malady.

You know what's really terrible? Well; I'll tell you what's really terrible-- that
the reputation of one of the finest women in the Bible has been sullied by
ugly gossip and vicious rumors: that's what's really terrible. Some people
have even stooped so low as to label Jesus' favorite gal pal a whore. Can you
imagine?! Well; there's a day coming when those churlish pigs are going to be
called to account for that kind of talk.

†. Matt 12:36-37 . . I tell you that people will have to give account on the
day of judgment for every careless word they have spoken. For by your
words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned.

Buen Camino
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[Pelaides]

A what?! A terrible woman?! Where in God's name did you get that idea?!

Now look here; just because somebody's body is playing host to demons
doesn't make them an eo ipso terrible person. There are several instances in
the New Testament where decent folk, even innocent children, were infected
with demons. It's not all that uncommon a malady.

You know what's really terrible? Well; I'll tell you what's really terrible-- that
the reputation of one of the finest women in the Bible has been sullied by
ugly gossip and vicious rumors: that's what's really terrible. Some people
have even stooped so low as to label Jesus' favorite gal pal a whore. Can you
imagine?! Well; there's a day coming when those churlish pigs are going to be
called to account for that kind of talk.

†. Matt 12:36-37 . . I tell you that people will have to give account on the
day of judgment for every careless word they have spoken. For by your
words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned.

Buen Camino
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A women with 7 demons in her is not exactly the type of woman you bring home to meet your mother.How many demons do you think jeffery dailmer had in him?And also david berkowitz{the 44 caliber killer)who also claims to have found Jesus.And you also forgett the parable of the prodigal son.Its none of our business who God lets into heaven,and who he doesnt.

 

[Angelina]

Moved this topic to the appropriate forum. :)

 

[JPPT1974]

Praying that he is in heaven. And accepted the forgiveness of Jesus Christ as his Savior and Lord. And repented as well as asked for his families of his victims forgiveness. As will leave it at that!

 

[Webers_Home]

A women with 7 demons in her is not exactly the type of woman you
bring home to meet your mother

Wouldn't that depend upon what those demons were up to inside Mary
Magdalena's body? One of the more common effects of New Testament
demon infestation was simply diminished health. Are you saying that only
women with perfect health are fit to meet your mother?

You see; this is exactly how people's reputations get ruined by people who
neither know all the facts nor know what they're talking about; and I am
going to relish watching Christ hold their feet to the fire for soiling the
reputation of one of the finest female role models in the Bible.

And what's with the remark about it being none of my business who God lets
into heaven, and who He doesn't? Where did you get the idea that I object to
Jeffry Dahmer's salvation? No; on the contrary: he's one of my favorite poster
children advertising the grace of God. Good Lord! nobody's reputation is safe
in the hands of some of you people around here. You're a menace.

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[afaithfulone4u]

Luke 18:10-14
10 Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.
11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.
13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.
KJV
1 John 3:12-15
12 Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.
13 Marvel not, my brethren, if the world hate you.
14 We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.
15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.
KJV

 

[Pelaides]

Wouldn't that depend upon what those demons were up to inside Mary
Magdalena's body? One of the more common effects of New Testament
demon infestation was simply diminished health. Are you saying that only
women with perfect health are fit to meet your mother?

You see; this is exactly how people's reputations get ruined by people who
neither know all the facts nor know what they're talking about; and I am
going to relish watching Christ hold their feet to the fire for soiling the
reputation of one of the finest female role models in the Bible.

And what's with the remark about it being none of my business who God lets
into heaven, and who He doesn't? Where did you get the idea that I object to
Jeffry Dahmer's salvation? No; on the contrary: he's one of my favorite poster
children advertising the grace of God. Good Lord! nobody's reputation is safe
in the hands of some of you people around here. You're a menace.

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Dont worry,an individual like myself is no threat to Mary Magadalenes reputation.

 

[Arnie Manitoba]

Not sure what to make of Dahmer .... but if indeed he is saved .... my next thought would be .... what about his victims .... where are they now ??

 

[Webers_Home]

what about his victims .... where are they now ??

The males whom Jeffry murdered, sodomized, dismembered, beheaded,
eviscerated, cannibalized, lobotomized, dissolved in muriatic acid, and
necrophilia-ized liked to do naughty things with other males. In other words:
his victims were perverts; viz: gays.

So then, if those perverted males departed this life without first undergoing
the Spirit birth about which the Lord spoke at John 3:3-8, then they are
currently being held in the fiery sector of hades awaiting their day in court as
per the Great White Throne event depicted at Rev 20:11-15.

†. 1Cor 6:9-11 . . Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the
kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor
idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor
thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will
inherit the kingdom of God.

Is that saying a pervert can't go to heaven? Or that an adulterer can't go
to heaven? Or that a gigolo can't go to heaven? Or that the immoral
can't go to heaven? Or that an idolater can't go to heaven? Or that the
greedy, an alcoholic, a slanderer and/or a swindler can't go to heaven? No,
it's saying a pervert can't go there as a pervert and that an adulterer can't
go there as an adulterer, and that a gigolo can't go there as a gigolo, and
that the immoral can't go there immoral, and that the greedy, an alcoholic, a
slanderer, and/or a swindler can't go there as themselves.

In other words: in order to get those kinds of people into heaven; something
has to be done to separate them from their intrinsically sinful natures. The
separation I'm talking about is a miraculous surgical process.

†. Col 2:11 . . In him you were also circumcised, in the putting off of the
sinful nature, not with a circumcision done by the hands of men but with the
circumcision done by Christ

So then, when the born-again pervert, the adulterer, the immoral, the
idolater, the greedy, the alcoholic, the gigolo, the slanderer, and the swindler
depart this life, they depart it 110% sinless; and thus, right at home in the
land of God.

†. 1John 3:9 . .Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed
remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.

If Jeffry did indeed undergo the Spirit birth about which the Lord spoke of at
John 3:3-8 prior to departing this life, then I'm confident he's home free;
but I cannot say the same for his victims because I don't know all that much
about them.

Buen Camino
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