While they are saying Peace and Safety

[Davy]

Rightly divide scripture, Davy.?
Just a simple, straightforward reading and understanding is all that is needed.

Isaiah 25:1-2 Lord, You are my God, I shall exult and praise You, for You have done wonderful things, long planned and sure. You have turned cities into heaps of ruin, fortifications into rubble. Buildings are swept away, never to be rebuilt. For this, many cruel nations will then respect You and treat You with awe.

Isaiah 25:4a & 9 Truly, You have been a refuge to the poor and a help to the needy in their distress, a shelter from the tempest and shade from the heat. On that Day, people will say: See this is our God – we have waited for Him and He will deliver us. This is the Lord, for whom we have waited, let us rejoice and exult in His deliverance.

Isaiah 25:4b & 11-12 For the enmity of the godless is like a storm, like the desert heat, but You silence the clamour of the foe and their noise dies away. For the hand of the Lord will come upon this mountain and the inhabitants will be trampled under Him, as straw is trodden into a dunghill. They will try to escape, but the Lord will bring down their pride, despite their clever plans. He will destroy the fortified defenses, they will be brought down to dust.

Isaiah 26:4-6 Trust in the Lord forever! For He is an eternal Rock, He humbles all those high and mighty dwellers of a towering city. He levels it to the ground – lays it to the dust, so that the oppressed may tread it underfoot.

Reference: REB, NIV, KJV. Some verses abridged.


You silence the enemy – Those who hate Israel. Psalms 83:13-17, Isaiah 34:2-3

despite their clever plans – They devise a cunning plot against them. Psalms 83:2

this mountain – this refers to the holy Land. Micah 4:2

the inhabitants trampled – All of the Middle East virtually wiped out. Ezekiel 30:2-5

cities ruined – The fire storms and earthquakes of a huge CME will do this. Isaiah 17:1-3, Habakkuk 3:12-13, Revelation 6:12-17

the proud dwellers of a tall city – Babylon; the ungodly peoples. Jeremiah 50:22-24, Revelation 18:8

fortresses and defences into rubble – All military installations, missiles, etc will be destroyed. Psalms 76:3, Amos 5:9

nations will be in awe – All false religions and gods will be discredited. Isaiah 2:17-18, Isaiah 66:17


refuge to the poor and needy – This is a metaphor for the Lord’s righteous people. Isaiah 41:17, Psalms 70:1-5

He will deliver us – those who keep the faith and trust the Lord. Psalms 72:12-14
Deliverance by protection, not removal. Isaiah 43:2, Isaiah 41:13, Zechariah 9:15-16

shade from the heat – the strike on earth of a superheated Coronal Mass Ejection. Isaiah 30:26, Isaiah 43:2, Isaiah 31:5, Isaiah 60:2, Zephaniah 2:3, Psalm 61:1-5

on that day – The Day of the Lord’s vengeance and wrath, the next prophesied event. His enemies are punished, but His faithful Christian believers will be protected and will soon move into the holy Land, to fulfil their destiny. Romans 9:24-26

Simple reading of Scripture is what I do.

2 Peter 3:10
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
KJV

Heb 12:25-29
25 See that ye refuse not Him That speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused Him That spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from Him That speaketh from heaven:
26 Whose voice then shook the earth: but now He hath promised, saying, 'Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven.'
27 And this word, 'Yet once more', signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.
28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:
29 For our God is a consuming fire.
KJV

1 Thess 5:2-3
2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
3 For when they shall say, "Peace and safety"; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
KJV

Zech 14:1-5
14:1 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
4 And His feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with Thee.
KJV

Rev 16:15-17
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
16 And He gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, 'It is done.'
KJV

Jesus' coming "as a thief" on the 7th Vial, on the "day of the Lord", a "sudden destruction" happens upon the wicked on earth, Jesus brings His saints to Jerusalem on earth with Him to battle and reign over all nations, the elements of man's works burned off this earth, ALL... on the SAME DAY OF HIS 2ND COMING AS A THIEF.

 

[Keraz]

ALL... on the SAME DAY OF HIS 2ND COMING AS A THIEF.

So Zechariah 14:3, Mathew 24:30 and Revelation 19:11, are all describing His Return as being unexpected and a nasty shocking surprise to all? I don't think so!
Your theory also conflicts with the given sequence of Revelation, from Rev 6:12 to Rev 19:11.
When do you think all those prophesied things will happen?

 

[Keraz]

The Elephant in the Room
People today are mostly in denial of what the future may hold for them. Worldwide natural disasters and manmade problems seem to be proliferating with no easing up or solutions in sight. It may just be possible for mankind to overcome its plagues, economic woes, resource shortages and rebuild earthquake damage, etc, but a prospective World War 3, starting in the Middle East, has the potential to practically wipe us out and pollute large areas of the earth.

A lot of people do not want to be concerned about the future, it’s hard enough just to get by without any extra worry and it is right that we must carry on doing what we have to for survival. Those whom God has called for a specific task must continue to do it and we all need to plan and provide for the future as though things will continue as usual. It is a mistake to sell up and withdraw to a hideout, as many failed doomsday proponents have shown.

However, ‘You, My friends are not in the dark’ about end times events. ‘It is ‘While they are saying: All is peaceful: sudden destruction will come upon them’. 1 Thess. 5:3-4
‘My friends’- those who love the Lord and keep His commandments. Luke 21:34-36

‘they/them’- godless people, who don’t know that God Himself will act against them. Micah 4:12

The Bible [and the Apocrypha] have a very large amount of unfulfilled prophecy, that is not there for no reason; God expects us to take note of what He has told us through His prophets. Because so many incorrect ideas and notions about what God has planned abound in the church and in the secular world, it is difficult for us to overcome them and just simply believe the literal words of the prophets. Excepting for the obvious metaphors, which are used to describe events and scenes unknown in their time.


With the current world situation as it is, then we must expect something dramatic to change the situation and commence the end times events. The Lord had told us, through the ancient prophets, what this will be – in over 100 prophecies, of the great and terrible Day of the Lord’s vengeance and wrath, a judgement of fire that destroys His enemies. We are clearly informed of the nature and extent of this event, it will be a gigantic fireball exploded from the sun – a Coronal Mass Ejection of superheated particles that will envelope the earth and literally cause all the prophesied disasters. But there will be plenty of survivors, just a matter of staying under shelter until the CME passes and fervent prayers for the Lord’s protection. Acts 2:21

The so called prophecy gurus, don’t have the truth and while their motivation is money and adulation, God will not enlighten them. Demonic entities can perform certain signs and wonders and I guess they know what the Bible says, therefore they may give mankind information or dis-information, for their own reasons. So, people are now without any real idea of how and when this huge threat will impact their existence.

The fulfilment of the Lord’s Day of vengeance and wrath is ‘the Elephant in the Room’, the event that ‘comes like a thief’, but we who ‘are His friends’ can and should know of what the Lord has planned for His creation.

 

[Davy]

So Zechariah 14:3, Mathew 24:30 and Revelation 19:11, are all describing His Return as being unexpected and a nasty shocking surprise to all? I don't think so!

Yes, as that is how both Apostles Paul and Peter also taught about the "day of the Lord" coming "as a thief in the night". It sounds like you have gotten ahold of a bunch of secret rapture theory philosophy by not being able to recognize this directly from God's Word.

 

[Keraz]

Yes, as that is how both Apostles Paul and Peter also taught about the "day of the Lord" coming "as a thief in the night". It sounds like you have gotten ahold of a bunch of secret rapture theory philosophy by not being able to recognize this directly from God's Word.

But Davy; Jesus will NOT Return like thief, He will appear in the clouds and descend in a blaze of glory. Plus; we will know the Day, as it will be exactly 1260 days after the Temple is desecrated by the AC.

What I have gotten hold of; is Bible truth, the revelation of a forthcoming terrible Day that the Lord will send fire to destroy His enemies and commence all the prophesied things that must happen before Jesus Returns.
That Day is the sudden destruction, that Paul clearly says will happen when people are thinking - peace and security.

Believe this, or remain in the dark and be surprised and shocked when that fire strikes.

 

[Josho]

But Davy; Jesus will NOT Return like thief, He will appear in the clouds and descend in a blaze of glory. Plus; we will know the Day, as it will be exactly 1260 days after the Temple is desecrated by the AC.

What I have gotten hold of; is Bible truth, the revelation of a forthcoming terrible Day that the Lord will send fire to destroy His enemies and commence all the prophesied things that must happen before Jesus Returns.
That Day is the sudden destruction, that Paul clearly says will happen when people are thinking - peace and security.

Believe this, or remain in the dark and be surprised and shocked when that fire strikes.

Come like a thief, because we do not know when the day or hour of the Lord will be.

 

[Keraz]

Come like a thief, because we do not know when the day or hour of the Lord will be.

This refers only to when the Lord will come in fire, on His terrible Day of vengeance and wrath. Isaiah 66:15, Zechariah 3:8, 2 Peter 3:7, +
Why is it so difficult for people to see these two separate Days?

 

[Davy]

But Davy; Jesus will NOT Return like thief, He will appear in the clouds and descend in a blaze of glory.

Well, you totally missed our Lord's idea on that. For those waiting and looking for Him, He definitely will not arrive "as a thief". But for the wicked and the deceived, yep! He is coming to them exactly... "as a thief", just like He said...

Rev 16:15
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
KJV

He will come "as a thief" to those who are NOT watching, and do NOT keep their garments. It is those who will be surprised when He appears, and thus they will be spiritually naked, others seeing their shame. He is speaking that specifically to His Church there, by the way.

HOW will they be found spiritually naked in shame when Lord Jesus appears coming in the clouds? Simple. They will be found spiritually 'with child' from another, the pseudo-Christ that is to come first! Remember that guy? I've preached that specific warning from our Lord Jesus a lot in my various posts. Don't you recall Apostle Paul warning us about the "another Jesus" in 2 Corinthians 11? and how he wants to present us to Christ as "a chaste virgin"? Paul was pulling from Isaiah 54 about the barren whose wombs did not give suck, which is a spiritual metaphor about not falling away to harlot idolatry with the coming Antichrist.

THAT... is what our Lord Jesus was referring to with His coming "as a thief" idea.

 

[Keraz]

Well, you totally missed our Lord's idea on that. For those waiting and looking for Him, He definitely will not arrive "as a thief". But for the wicked and the deceived, yep! He is coming to them exactly... "as a thief", just like He said...

Talking about scriptures totally missed; you are the prime example!
Revelation 16:14 says that the armies of the world are mustered to fight Jesus on the Great Day of the sovereign Lord.
They do know why and when they will go to battle.

The next verse is for us Christians, the ones who have failed to understand the prophesies and aren't clothed in the white robes of righteousness.

 

[Davy]

Talking about scriptures totally missed; you are the prime example!
Revelation 16:14 says that the armies of the world are mustered to fight Jesus on the Great Day of the sovereign Lord.
They do know why and when they will go to battle.

The next verse is for us Christians, the ones who have failed to understand the prophesies and aren't clothed in the white robes of righteousness.

You need to go back into the Book of Isaiah and read the prophecies about that day, because that is where Lord Jesus and His Apostles were pulling from about the 'shock' upon many on that day.

Isa 29:5-7
5 Moreover the multitude of thy strangers shall be like small dust, and the multitude of the terrible ones shall be as chaff that passeth away: yea, it shall be at an instant suddenly.
6 Thou shalt be visited of the LORD of hosts with thunder, and with earthquake, and great noise, with storm and tempest, and the flame of devouring fire.
7 And the multitude of all the nations that fight against Ariel, even all that fight against her and her munition, and that distress her, shall be as a dream of a night vision.
KJV

1 Thess 5:2-3
2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
KJV

 

[Keraz]

You need to go back into the Book of Isaiah and read the prophecies about that day, because that is where Lord Jesus and His Apostles were pulling from about the 'shock' upon many on that day.

There is a Day of the Lord's vengeance and fiery wrath. He is not seen on that Day. Psalms 11:4-6
And there is a Day when Jesus will Return in Glory and dispose of Satan and his army. Seen by all. Revelation 1:7

Two Days, as clearly stated in Revelation; the first in Revelation 6:12-17, the second at least 7, probably 10 years later; Revelation 19:11-21
Confusing and conflating those two Days, is quite unscriptural and illogical.
Your 2 scriptures refer to the Lord's Day of fiery wrath, that will change the world and lead up to the Return.

 

[Davy]

There is a Day of the Lord's vengeance and fiery wrath. He is not seen on that Day.

Yeah He is seen on that day, by the wicked too, as written in Revelation 1 that even those who pierced Him will see His coming in the clouds, and your quotes from Psalms don't disagree.

 

[Keraz]

Yeah He is seen on that day, by the wicked too, as written in Revelation 1 that even those who pierced Him will see His coming in the clouds, and your quotes from Psalms don't disagree.

Amos 5:18-20 Woe betide those who look forward to the Day of the Lord!
What will the Day of the Lord mean to you? It will be darkness, not light, it will be as when you run from a lion, or are confronted by a bear....gets bitten by a snake! That Day will be darkness....without any light.
Amos 5:4 These are the Words of the Lord to the people of Israel...... Israel; now every faithful Christian person. Galatians 6:14-16

So Davy; tell us you believe this happens at at the glorious Return of Jesus.

No; your belief of all the prophecies of the Lord's wrath happening when He Returns, are quite wrong. Proved by Revelation 15:1

 

[Davy]

Amos 5:18-20 Woe betide those who look forward to the Day of the Lord!
What will the Day of the Lord mean to you? It will be darkness, not light, it will be as when you run from a lion, or are confronted by a bear....gets bitten by a snake! That Day will be darkness....without any light.
Amos 5:4 These are the Words of the Lord to the people of Israel...... Israel; now every faithful Christian person. Galatians 6:14-16

So Davy; tell us you believe this happens at at the glorious Return of Jesus.

No; your belief of all the prophecies of the Lord's wrath happening when He Returns, are quite wrong. Proved by Revelation 15:1

Lot of Scripture jumping in the above, which is NOT the way of understanding in God's Word. It's obvious with your error in that too, because while you keep preaching a gathering of the house of Israel to the middle east, even before Jesus returns, you haven't understood the very Amos 5 Scripture about the day of The Lord that you quote.

In Amos 5, God is speaking to the "house of Israel" (ten northern tribes of Israel). He is warning them of the coming destruction of their northern kingdom with its capital city at Samaria. That past history about the "kingdom of Israel" up to 2 Kings 17 & 18 serves as a parallel for the end with the "day of the Lord" (the last day of this world). Many among the "house of Israel" will be ashamed on that day, which is why the warning for the last day also when Jesus returns. But you apparently missed that point, and the fact that Ephraim is left out of the Rev.7 list in prep for the tribulation (because the majority of them will be deceived).

So while you're preaching falseness of salvation prior... to Christ's coming, just as the pre-trib rapture theory does, what you're presenting is a false wall daubed with untempered mortar.

 

[Keraz]

So while you're preaching falseness of salvation prior... to Christ's coming, just as the pre-trib rapture theory does, what you're presenting is a false wall daubed with untempered mortar.

You fail to understand God's Plans for His people. That they are in the holy Land before the Return, is proved by Daniel 7:25 and Revelation 13:7
The Lord’s people will enter the holy Land with joy and thanksgiving:

Isaiah 35:10 The Lord’s people, set free, will enter Zion with shouts of triumph… Gladness and joy will come upon them, while suffering and sorrow will pass away.

Psalms 149:4-5 For the Lord accepts the service of His people and crowns the lowly with victory. Let His loyal servants exult in triumph!

Jeremiah 33:6 & 25 I shall restore the Land, My people will live there. They will shout: Praise the Lord of Hosts, for He is good and His love endured forever.


Psalms 69:36 Those who serve the Lord and love His Name, will inherit the Land.

Psalms 37:9 Those who trust in the Lord, will inherit the Land.

Isaiah 57:13b but, he who makes Me his refuge, will possess the Land.

Psalms 85:9 Certainly, His loyal followers will soon experience His deliverance, then glory will appear in our Land.

Isaiah 61:3-6 My righteous people, planted in the Lord’s holy Land, to display His glory.

Matthew 5:5 Blessed are the humble, for they will inherit the Land.

Isaiah 29:19-22 The lowly and poor will once again rejoice in the Lord, sinners will be cut down.

Jeremiah 12:14-15 The Lord says: I shall uproot those evil people who occupy My holy Land…. Judah may come back only if they learn the ways of My [Christian] people.

Isaiah 32:15-20 The Land has been [will be] made forsaken and desolated….but in a very short time, it will become a garden Land, where My people will dwell in peace.


Zechariah 9:16 The Lord will save His people like a flock, for they are like precious jewels, that sparkle all about His Land.

Jeremiah 23:3-4 I will bring My sheep back to the Land, they will increase and be fruitful. I shall appoint shepherds who will tend them, they will live in peace.

John 10:16 There are other sheep of Mine, not of this fold. I will lead them, they will listen to My voice. Then there will be one flock, one Shepherd.

Ezekiel 34:11-31….You are My flock, the sheep that I feed and I am your God…


Isaiah 66:18b-21 I will gather My people from every race, nation and language. They will come on every type of conveyance, as an offering to the Lord in Zion.

Psalm 107:1-3 & 36-38 Let those redeemed by the Lord, give thanks. All of His righteous people, gathered from around the world. They are blessed with peace and prosperity.

Psalms 147:12-20 The Lord has brought peace and plenty to His Land.
Praise the Lord!

Reference: REB. Some verses abridged

 

[Davy]

You fail to understand God's Plans for His people. That they are in the holy Land before the Return, is proved by Daniel 7:25 and Revelation 13:7

That idea is blatantly false!

The Daniel 7:25 event is when the false-Messiah HAS POWER OVER THE SAINTS!

Dan 7:25
25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
KJV

Revelation 13:4-8 is about the SAME event of the time that the "dragon" will have power over ALL nations and peoples on earth! You simply could not be more wrong!

 

[Keraz]

That idea is blatantly false!

The Daniel 7:25 event is when the false-Messiah HAS POWER OVER THE SAINTS!

Dan 7:25
25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
KJV

Revelation 13:4-8 is about the SAME event of the time that the "dragon" will have power over ALL nations and peoples on earth! You simply could not be more wrong!

You are denying plainly stated scripture.
It is obvious to anyone that Daniel 7:25 and Rev 13:7, are referring to Gods holy people and they are present in the holy Land.

Your vehement rejection of what God has planned for His people in the end times, is a sad reflection of the ignorance in the Church of the Prophetic Word and of the false teachings accepted by many.

 

[Davy]

You are denying plainly stated scripture.
It is obvious to anyone that Daniel 7:25 and Rev 13:7, are referring to Gods holy people and they are present in the holy Land.

Your vehement rejection of what God has planned for His people in the end times, is a sad reflection of the ignorance in the Church of the Prophetic Word and of the false teachings accepted by many.

 

[Keraz]

I reported you for calling me 'mad'. The Mod has just deleted your rude comment, but in my opinion, should have chucked you off this forum.
Your inability to understand God's Plans for His people and the world, in the end times; is quite a normal thing. Not many will understand, as Daniel 12:10 says.
But to dismiss and make unacceptable comments to someone who does try to point out what the Prophets have told us, is another matter and puts you into Judgment for rejecting scripture and false teaching.

 

[Davy]

I reported you for calling me 'mad'. The Mod has just deleted your rude comment, but in my opinion, should have chucked you off this forum.
Your inability to understand God's Plans for His people and the world, in the end times; is quite a normal thing. Not many will understand, as Daniel 12:10 says.
But to dismiss and make unacceptable comments to someone who does try to point out what the Prophets have told us, is another matter and puts you into Judgment for rejecting scripture and false teaching.

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