WHO DOES BAPTISM SAVE? *****

[Doug]

Only believing Israel is saved by baptism.

Only believing Israel is instructed to be baptized.

1 Peter 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

3:19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;

3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

The ark is not the "like figure" or picture or type: the water is the "like figure". Water saved Noah and his family, and the Jews Peter is speaking to will likewise be saved by baptism. The flood waters put away the filth of the flesh by destroying the wicked.

Baptism will save Israel by the resurrection of Christ.

John 20:31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

Acts 8:36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?


8:37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

Before the dispensation of the grace of God Jews had to believe on the name of Jesus for salvation unto eternal life. They had to believe Jesus was the Christ, the Son of God. Upon belief they were then baptized.

Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Jesus commanded the twelve disciples to baptize. Jesus said in Mark 16:16 that baptism was part of their salvation.

Acts 22:16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

Paul after his conversion was baptized to wash away sin according to the commandment given Israel. Paul submitted to be baptized so as not to give offence to Ananias, who was devout to the law.

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Peter speaking in Acts 2:38 said baptism was for the remission or forgiveness of sins. Peter also said they would receive the Holy Ghost through baptism.

Acts 2:30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;

Jesus was buried and rose again. According to Peter, Christ was raised to sit on the throne of David in the prophetic earthly kingdom (Matthew 8:11 Luke 1:32-33).

Zechariah 13:1 In that day there shall be a fountain opened to the house of David and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem for sin and for uncleanness.

In the day of the coming of Jesus the waters of the fountain will cleanse Israel of sin.

Ezekiel 36:25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.

God made the covenants with Israel alone (Romans 9:4). God made the new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah only (Jeremiah 31:31). The new covenant will cleanse saved Israel with water.

Hebrews 9:28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

Jesus came the first time to bear the sins of Israel. The believing remnant of Israel would be looking for his second coming for salvation. For Israel their salvation rested upon the coming of the Lord Jesus.

Acts 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord.

3:20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:

3:21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.

The times of refreshing was the coming of Jesus. Jesus being resurrected is in heaven. Jesus was first to be received into heaven and upon Israel's conversion, be sent for their salvation when their sins would be forgiven and blotted out (Jeremiah 31:34).

Ezekiel 36:26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

Ezekiel 36:27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

The new covenant gives saved Israel a new spirit. God will put his spirit in them and will cause them to keep the commandments of God. God will do for Israel what Israel was never able, nor never be able to do, of itself.

The death of Jesus put in force the new testament, by which Israel's transgressions under the first testament could be forgiven (Hebrews 9:15-17), and be the means by which God can forgive their iniquity under the new covenant (Jeremiah 31:34).

1 Peter 3:22 Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.

Peter talks of Jesus, who is gone into heaven, in the verse above. This speaks of his resurrection, which will fulfill the future promise of the spirit to renew Israel by the new covenant. The resurrection of Jesus ensured the fulfillment of the kingdom, and the new covenant.

Baptism saved Israel by the remission of sins. The salvation spoken of is not unto eternal life; that came by grace and by the faith of Christ, by which they believed on him as the Christ, the Son of God.The remission of sins gave Israel the answer of a good conscience toward God ( 1 Peter 3:21). The water of baptism provided the remission of sins to cleanse Israel to be priests of God in the kingdom (Exodus 40:12-15 Leviticus 8:6 Hebrews 10:22).

Israel, by the resurrection of Christ, and the new covenant, would be born again to live unto God in righteousness (1 Peter 2:24), and enter the kingdom to be a light to the Gentiles. That which was prophesied will be fulfilled, the nations will be blessed by Israel (Genesis 18:18 Genesis 26:4).

1 Peter 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

Israel has been born again by the lively hope of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus. They can have full assurance that their baptism will save them since Jesus has been raised again and is alive in heaven on the right hand of God to save them, and fulfill the new covenant.

1 Peter 5:4 And when the chief Shepherd shall appear, ye shall receive a crown of glory that fadeth not away.

The resurrection of Jesus assured Israel that their salvation would be realized by his coming.

 

[Timtofly]

That is why water baptism ended on the Cross when Jesus said, "It is finished"

Baptism of the Holy Spirit was given to the church (body of Christ).

 

[Joseph77]

No. Entirely no. Read ACTS. Phillip immersing the eunich from Ethiopia in Jesus' Name.

And so much more , both in Scripture, and from the first century (yet so much corrupted after this to almost unrecognizable) ...

That is why water baptism ended on the Cross when Jesus said, "It is finished"

Baptism of the Holy Spirit was given to the church (body of Christ).

 

[Joseph77]

i.e. Baptism, even immersion in Jesus' Name, won't save anyone if there is too much unbelief in that person. (i.e. just for show, not reality)

 

[BreadOfLife]

Only believing Israel is saved by baptism.
Only believing Israel is instructed to be baptized.

That is why water baptism ended on the Cross when Jesus said, "It is finished"
Baptism of the Holy Spirit was given to the church (body of Christ).

Absolutely false.

Acts 19:1-7
While Apollos was at Corinth, Paul passed through the upper country and came to Ephesus. There he found some disciples. And he said to them, "Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?" And they said, "No, we have never even heard that there is a Holy Spirit." And he said, "Into what then were you baptized?" They said, "Into John's baptism." And Paul said, "John baptized with the baptism of repentance, telling the people to believe in the one who was to come after him, that is, Jesus." On hearing this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Spirit came

Rom. 6: 3-4
Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life.

Gal. 3:27
For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

Col. 2:11-12
In him also you were circumcised with a circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of flesh in the circumcision of Christ; and you were buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through faith in the working of God, who raised him from the dead

Eph. 4:4-6
There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to one hope when you were called; one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.

Tit. 3:4-8
but when the goodness and loving kindness of God our Savior appeared, he saved us, not because of deeds done by us in righteousness, but in virtue of his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal in the Holy Spirit,

 

[Timtofly]

Absolutely TRUE.

Last time I checked Jesus was fire and Spirit. Not water.

It is time to stop inserting water, unless you have proof water was used. Since I do not see water mentioned other than John's baptism, those verses cannot prove anything.

 

[Joseph77]

Since I do not see

That's enough.

CJB
As they were going down the road, they came to some water; and the eunuch said, “Look! Here’s some water! Is there any reason why I shouldn’t be immersed?”
Acts 8:36 As they traveled along the road and came to some ...

Acts 8:36 As they traveled along the road and came to some water, the eunuch said, "Look, here is water! What is there to prevent me from being baptized?"
As they were traveling down the road, they came to some water. The eunuch said, "Look, there's water. What would keep me from being baptized?" Good News Translation As they traveled down the road, they came to a place where there was some water, and the official said, "Here is some water. What is to keep me from being baptized?"

 

[Joseph77]

From the 1st century to this, other pagan religions can 'accept' and tolerate someone who turns to Jesus,

UNTIL they are immersed in Jesus' Name/ baptised-buried-washed under water/ ..... then they reject them - they are no longer in the same kingdom/ sphere of life/ with the pagans.

 

[DPMartin]

Only believing Israel is saved by baptism.

Only believing Israel is instructed to be baptized.

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you are way off base:

Mat_28:19　 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

baptism by water is an open act of repentance/renewal which is not baptism of the Holy Spirit to neither jew or gentile explained by Jesus.


Joh 3:3　 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.　
Joh 3:4　 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?　
Joh 3:5　 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.　
Joh 3:6　 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.　
Joh 3:7　 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.　
Joh 3:8　 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.　


to the Jews first then the gentiles which in salvation of soul terms is the only difference. Grace and faith are the requirements to both jew and gentile and in that there is no difference other than by Grace through faith and by grace through faith explained by Paul.

 

[Candidus]

From the 1st century to this, other pagan religions can 'accept' and tolerate someone who turns to Jesus,

UNTIL they are immersed in Jesus' Name/ baptised-buried-washed under water/ ..... then they reject them - they are no longer in the same kingdom/ sphere of life/ with the pagans.

Where was anyone ever "immersed in a Name"?

To add to your dilemma, where was anyone ever immersed baptized-buried-washed under water in Scripture? I know that Pharaoh's army was!

 

[Philip James]

Absolutely TRUE.

Last time I checked Jesus was fire and Spirit. Not water.

It is time to stop inserting water, unless you have proof water was used. Since I do not see water mentioned other than John's baptism, those verses cannot prove anything.

Hello Timtofly,

Here's a couple:

1 John 5:5-8

Who (indeed) is the victor over the world but the one who believes that Jesus is the Son of God?


This is the one who came through water and blood, 2 Jesus Christ, not by water alone, but by water and blood. The Spirit is the one that testifies, and the Spirit is truth.


So there are three that testify,


the Spirit, the water, and the blood, and the three are of one accord.


John 19:34

but one soldier thrust his lance into his side, and immediately blood and water flowed out.

Peace be with you!

 

[Joseph77]

So, then, from all the posts, (most),
baptism saves no one.
Except the elect/ born again Ekklesia. (where they are).

 

[atpollard]

[Act 16:13-15 NASB] 13 And on the Sabbath day we went outside the gate to a riverside, where we were supposing that there would be a place of prayer; and we sat down and began speaking to the women who had assembled. 14 A woman named Lydia, from the city of Thyatira, a seller of purple fabrics, a worshiper of God, was listening; and the Lord opened her heart to respond to the things spoken by Paul. 15 And when she and her household had been baptized, she urged us, saying, "If you have judged me to be faithful to the Lord, come into my house and stay." And she prevailed upon us.

• They were at a river.
• The LORD opened their heart to the word.
• They were baptized (still at the river).
• Then they returned home.

Of course water was involved in the Baptism ... the very word “baptizo” means ‘to immerse’ or ‘to plunge under’.

 

[Timtofly]

Hello Timtofly,

Here's a couple:

1 John 5:5-8

Who (indeed) is the victor over the world but the one who believes that Jesus is the Son of God?


This is the one who came through water and blood, 2 Jesus Christ, not by water alone, but by water and blood. The Spirit is the one that testifies, and the Spirit is truth.


So there are three that testify,


the Spirit, the water, and the blood, and the three are of one accord.


John 19:34

but one soldier thrust his lance into his side, and immediately blood and water flowed out.

Peace be with you!

Neither have anything to do with salvation. These describe the physical Jesus as being God on earth. Jesus was fully man, water, fully Spirit, God, and fully blood as his own Spirit and did not need the Holy Spirit.

It shows the trinity and that Jesus was fully human and fully God.

 

[Joseph77]

False teachings abound. Go figure that one out.....

 

[Joseph77]

Neither have anything to do with salvation.

WHO told you what you're posting ?

What is their authority ?

If you are conveying what they preach or teach accurately, they have some serious errors.

 

[Timtofly]

[Act 16:13-15 NASB] 13 And on the Sabbath day we went outside the gate to a riverside, where we were supposing that there would be a place of prayer; and we sat down and began speaking to the women who had assembled. 14 A woman named Lydia, from the city of Thyatira, a seller of purple fabrics, a worshiper of God, was listening; and the Lord opened her heart to respond to the things spoken by Paul. 15 And when she and her household had been baptized, she urged us, saying, "If you have judged me to be faithful to the Lord, come into my house and stay." And she prevailed upon us.

• They were at a river.
• The LORD opened their heart to the word.
• They were baptized (still at the river).
• Then they returned home.

Of course water was involved in the Baptism ... the very word “baptizo” means ‘to immerse’ or ‘to plunge under’.

I am not the one saying one cannot be baptized in water. It is a lot safer than fire.

I was baptized in water as a symbol, because people do not go around baptizing with fire.

Paul never said unless you get baptized in water you cannot be saved. If Paul baptized in fire, we are not told. But one cannot claim that water baptism was carried forward instead of the baptism of fire that Jesus said was the new baptism.

I could say in the argument of Lydia, that woman were baptized with water, and men were baptized with fire, and it would be a logical conclusion.

 

[Joseph77]

Logic does not work.

Some possibly good exegesis showed in years past that the repentant or the righteous were baptised(immersed) in water,
and the wicked were baptised (immersed) in fire - i.e. the lake of fire. This was years ago i read it, so I don't have the bibliography.....
i.e. A BLESSING and A CURSE - the two possibilities as God often paired them/ gave them.

The other ideas proposed violate too much that is known from Scripture, the Spirit, and the History and the Testimony of Jesus. i.e. the other ideas are spurious, with unknown origin (not Scripture, and not God nor Heaven).

 

[Philip James]

Neither have anything to do with salvation. These describe the physical Jesus as being God on earth. Jesus was fully man, water, fully Spirit, God, and fully blood as his own Spirit and did not need the Holy Spirit.

It shows the trinity and that Jesus was fully human and fully God.

were that all it showed still it would have everything to do with salvation, but it shows far more.

The water and blood is the Church being taken from His side, the 2 great sacraments of the Church, Baptism and Eucharist.

And it is these 3 still today that testify in the life of believers, the Spirit, the water and the blood...


You too! Are welcome to come to the wedding feast of the Lamb of God!

Peace be with you!

Christ IS risen!
Alleluia!