Infant Baptism is not given in scripture.

[Marymog]

I sin everyday. By word or thought. Why? Because im a sinner. I dont need a priest to tell me to say a hail Mary to be forgiven. I go directly to God the Father. You see, Jesus fixed it for me.Praise his name.

Hi Searcher,

What verse in the NT tells you to confess your sins directly to God?

What do you make of James 5:16, John 20:23 and Acts 19:18?

Curious Mary

 

[Marymog]

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its just that the idea of stuffing bread into an infants mouth to remove sin

or even the parent taking the infants little hands and guiding its little hands to place money into a Catholic money box

the little innocent feller has no idea what is happening - is this not the same with infant baptism.

Hey SL,

Infants do not partake of communion and communion (what you call bread) does not remove sin.

Hope that clears up your false beliefs on the matter.

Mary

 

[Grailhunter]

Grail hunter,

Post #199 debunks your version, or the version your men taught you, of our Christian history.

Christening is a new concept and was not practiced among NT Christians.

I did not say it was practiced among "NT" Christians.

 

[Marymog]

I did not say it was practiced among "NT" Christians.

I know you didn't say that. The point is that Christening is a new concept created by modern day (within the last 500 years) Christian denominations and it is not based on the teachings of Scripture. It is based on the teachings of men, and you "agree" with this teaching of men.

Mary

 

[Grailhunter]

I know you didn't say that. The point is that Christening is a new concept created by modern day (within the last 500 years) Christian denominations and it is not based on the teachings of Scripture. It is based on the teachings of men, and you "agree" with this teaching of men.

Mary

You are right and you are right.
The Protestants made a chuch wedding ceremony a requirement to be married in the 16th century.....and I agree with that too.
Children in church is a newer concept and I agree with that....
The scriptures never put an end to polygamy or concubinage or fathers “selling” their daughter to grooms or slavery but we put an end to that…..sometimes the teaching of men can be seen as God driven or the evolution of Christianity….

 

[DJT_47]

Immersion is not the only meaning of baptizo. Sometimes it just means washing up (Luke 11:38, Mark 7:3) so baptizo can mean cleansing or ritual washing as well as immersion.

But back to our discussion about the Apostolic Fathers. None of the Apostolic Fathers (Clement, Ignatius and Polycarp) wrote about pouring or sprinkling HOWEVER The Didache did authorize pouring/sprinkling as a method if immersion wasn't available. The Didache was written BEFORE some NT letters and the Apostolic fathers. It was considered "scripture" by the early church.

Scripture does NOT say that pouring or sprinkling is an invalid form of baptism. Where do you get this teaching that pouring/sprinkling is an invalid form of Baptism since Scripture does not say it's invalid?

You alleged the Apostolic Fathers changed what the Apostles taught. Do you have any examples?

Curious Mary

PS maybe @David Lamb can help you out since they liked your inaccurate post

Immersion is not the only meaning of baptizo. Sometimes it just means washing up (Luke 11:38, Mark 7:3) so baptizo can mean cleansing or ritual washing as well as immersion.

But back to our discussion about the Apostolic Fathers. None of the Apostolic Fathers (Clement, Ignatius and Polycarp) wrote about pouring or sprinkling HOWEVER The Didache did authorize pouring/sprinkling as a method if immersion wasn't available. The Didache was written BEFORE some NT letters and the Apostolic fathers. It was considered "scripture" by the early church.

Scripture does NOT say that pouring or sprinkling is an invalid form of baptism. Where do you get this teaching that pouring/sprinkling is an invalid form of Baptism since Scripture does not say it's invalid?

You alleged the Apostolic Fathers changed what the Apostles taught. Do you have any examples?

Curious Mary

PS maybe @David Lamb can help you out since they liked your inaccurate post

Does the word 'cat' have a specific meaning? Likewise, does the word 'dog' have a specific meaning? If someone used the word cat to reference a dog, would that be OK? Could someone, cuz they felt like it, say the words cat and dog now mean the same thing? Well, there you go. That's what someone did with the word 'baptizo'. They said that other Greek words mean the same thing, distorting the meaning and actual practice of baptizing, claiming pouring and sprinkling mean the same thing. They don't. And cleansing, as you claim, is really cleansing by baptizing, through the process if dipping or submerged an item. Ah, the did ache: yes, it still does ache, like a headache. A secondary, unscriptural, uninspired creation of man.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

Like who being a Christian would be against water baptism of their Baby's ? only a fool !

Like who stood against any of the Jews getting Baptised by John ?

When one is Baptised you are not Saved, but you are a member of the Church ! So now the Church has a responcability ? so do your godmother and godfather in fact and ones mum and dad have made a commitment to all in fact, it's offical dec.

If one is not worthy Christian maybe one would not want to or hide away from making such a commitment openly for your Child to all ! or not strong enough to make such openly ? why because you do not have enough faith to do so, openly to all.

Or Oh the child has to make that on his own bat ? as if water baptism saves one ? so they think such is Saved for doing so ?
No one need not inform anyone that you are Saved in fact, that is betwen God and you in fact ! Telling one you are Saved is of no value, to them. or does one think they must or owe you service ?
I know morons who demand to all that they are Saved ! but they clearly are not and are only religious nut cases, who make demands on others Thinking they are above others.

 

[Seeding Loving]

Yes - Paul is here equating Baptism to Circumcision in that He commands that we be baptized

but explains in 1Pe 3:21

:21 even baptism doth also now save us

Baptism is - (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God

a sleeping man who is dragged to a baptism would not be awake to have a good conscience toward anything - he would be sleeping - unconscious


Rom 3:1 What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision

Yet we see Roman Catholcs in the EARLY DAYS OF CHRISTIANITY demanding that

little infant babies who die without being baptized will be sent to eternal hell fire, but nearly 2000 years later Pius VI resolved this matter " In the bull “Auctorem Fidei” (1794) "

the Pope condemned the teaching that places babies into hell fire and flames and pain who have not baptized and whose sins are ONLY the sin of " ORIGINAL SIN "

Pius VI also called """ ‘ Limbo of Children """"" was not the same punishment as the punishment of the condemned as - punishment of fire....

so much for the early days.