WHO IS IT THAT DWELLS IN GOD?

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Belief only? That's negates many scriptures that say more than just belief is required. Belief only is a false, unscriptural, and dangerous doctrine that will nit save your soul.
That's not what the passage says. "to as many as received Him" & "to them that believe on His Name".

I'm going to believe this passage. Do you not believe it?

You've indicated you believe water baptism is required, is that right? So there is no such thing as a "deathbed conversion" for instance? Someone about to die, who calls upon the Lord Jesus for salvation, they will not be saved, because they are not being water baptized?

Much love!
 

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That's not what the passage says.

Much love!
You said it, "the passage". What about the myriad of other passages that say additional things are required? As I said, belief only is unscriptural as it negates other passages that state otherwise. You just confirmed what I (and the Bible) stated.
 

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You said it, "the passage". What about the myriad of other passages that say additional things are required? As I said, belief only is unscriptural as it negates other passages that state otherwise. You just confirmed what I (and the Bible) stated.
Remember, there won't be any contradictions in the Bible, and you won't have to negate or overlook any passages.

"All who call upon the name of the LORD shall be saved"

"If you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus, and believe in your heart God has raised Him from the dead, you shall be saved".

Do you find these passages to be misleading?

Much love!
 

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You just confirmed what I (and the Bible) stated.
You've indicated you believe water baptism is required, is that right? So there is no such thing as a "deathbed conversion" for instance? Someone about to die, who calls upon the Lord Jesus for salvation, they will not be saved, because they are not being water baptized?

Much love!
 

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Remember, there won't be any contradictions in the Bible, and you won't have to negate or overlook any passages.

"All who call upon the name of the LORD shall be saved"

"If you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus, and believe in your heart God has raised Him from the dead, you shall be saved".

Do you find these passages to be misleading?

Much love!
Yes, if the reader lacks understanding when reading them. The passage is clear, but not on a stand alone basis and viewed as such.. Scripture must be linked to other corresponding or related scripture so one can get the complete understanding of the message.
 

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Yes, if the reader lacks understanding when reading them. The passage is clear, but not on a stand alone basis and viewed as such.. Scripture must be linked to other corresponding or related scripture so one can get the complete understanding of the message.
So to clarify, you are of the mind that other Scriptures will show these to be not exactly true, not telling the full story. Is that correct?

Much love!
 

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Yes, if the reader lacks understanding when reading them.
You've indicated you believe water baptism is required, is that right? So there is no such thing as a "deathbed conversion" for instance? Someone about to die, who calls upon the Lord Jesus for salvation, they will not be saved, because they are not being water baptized?

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So to clarify, you are of the mind that other Scriptures will show these to be not exactly true, not telling the full story. Is that correct?

Much love!
They are true but not when viewed and considered when isolated on a stand alone basis. And how do you know that and what raises the red flag? Simply by the existence of all the other scriptures that say that other things also are required. If those were taken individually woukd they individually tell the truth? No. When they are also considered, it's impossible to read them without asking the question as to which one individually is true, since they all say something different! One says repentance is required. Another says belief is required. Another says faith is required and yet too others say baptism is required. If each were considered individually, it would be contradictory to the others. In Romans 8:24 says 24"For we are saved by hope:". So, are we saved by hope as thus scripture says? That's contrary to what you believe! So, which is right? None is on its own is the right answer. Is Romans 8:24 wrong? No, but it could be if considered by tge errant reader on a stand alone basis.
 

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They are true but not when viewed and considered when isolated on a stand alone basis.
You are contradicting yourself here.

Either they are true and accurate in what they say or they are not. The statements made are extremely simple, clearly stated.

Meanwhile,

You've indicated you believe water baptism is required, is that right? So there is no such thing as a "deathbed conversion" for instance? Someone about to die, who calls upon the Lord Jesus for salvation, they will not be saved, because they are not being water baptized?

Much love!
 

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You are contradicting yourself here.

Either they are true and accurate in what they say or they are not. The statements made are extremely simple, clearly stated.

Meanwhile,

You've indicated you believe water baptism is required, is that right? So there is no such thing as a "deathbed conversion" for instance? Someone about to die, who calls upon the Lord Jesus for salvation, they will not be saved, because they are not being water baptized?

Much love!
They are not true if the reader doesn't understand and applies his misunderstanding to them incorrectly. They are true but not on a standalone basis. They can't be because they could/would conflict with other scriptures that say something different, something more is required. IS THIS THAT HARD TO UNDERSTAND FOR YOU, OR ARE YOU TOO BIASED SO TRUTH CAN'T THROUGH YOUR HEAD?? They can't all be true if they all say something different and conflict with one another; so, how do you make their truth cone out? You simply combine them all to get to the entirety of tge message, which is any one of them alone. Not belief alone, not confession with the mouth alone as Romans 8:9-10 says, not repentance alone, not baptism alone, or faith alone, not hope alone, and not God's grace alone. ARE YOU BLIND???
 

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ARE YOU BLIND???
You've indicated you believe water baptism is required, is that right? So there is no such thing as a "deathbed conversion" for instance? Someone about to die, who calls upon the Lord Jesus for salvation, they will not be saved, because they are not being water baptized?

Much love!
 

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You've indicated you believe water baptism is required, is that right? So there is no such thing as a "deathbed conversion" for instance? Someone about to die, who calls upon the Lord Jesus for salvation, they will not be saved, because they are not being water baptized?

Much love!
No such thing as a deathbed confession to be saved. No examples of it recorded, plus it would make everything else in scripture null and void, making everyone a liar including Jesus. The written word woukd be meaningless and untrustworthy. Is that what you believe? Would that satisfy you?
 

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IS THIS THAT HARD TO UNDERSTAND FOR YOU, OR ARE YOU TOO BIASED SO TRUTH CAN'T THROUGH YOUR HEAD??
You seem to be getting angry and I don't want to do that. I'll try to be more clear in this reply, but I don't want to keep rehashing this endlessly.

If God gives the not only the right to be born again, but actually gives them regeneration, because they believe in Jesus, receiving Him, then either He does or He doesn't.

I'm saying He does, you are saying He doesn't, because, in fact (you say), more is required. So that would render John's Gospel to be false, because he tells us that those who receive Jesus, believing in His name, these are the ones. You would have us to understand that the actual number of saved may be fewer than these, if they have not completed your "additional" whatever.

As though there were anything we can do to add to what our Eternal God did for us.

OK. That's it. I'll just leave you with this:

You've indicated you believe water baptism is required, is that right? So there is no such thing as a "deathbed conversion" for instance? Someone about to die, who calls upon the Lord Jesus for salvation, they will not be saved, because they are not being water baptized?

Much love!
 

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You seem to be getting angry and I don't want to do that. I'll try to be more clear in this reply, but I don't want to keep rehashing this endlessly.

If God gives the not only the right to be born again, but actually gives them regeneration, because they believe in Jesus, receiving Him, then either He does or He doesn't.

I'm saying He does, you are saying He doesn't, because, in fact (you say), more is required. So that would render John's Gospel to be false, because he tells us that those who receive Jesus, believing in His name, these are the ones. You would have us to understand that the actual number of saved may be fewer than these, if they have not completed your "additional" whatever.

As though there were anything we can do to add to what our Eternal God did for us.

OK. That's it. I'll just leave you with this:

You've indicated you believe water baptism is required, is that right? So there is no such thing as a "deathbed conversion" for instance? Someone about to die, who calls upon the Lord Jesus for salvation, they will not be saved, because they are not being water baptized?

Much love!
Don't bother anymore. I'm done. There's no more room for discussion. This is the foolishness of preaching in living color.
 

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No such thing as a deathbed confession to be saved. No examples of it recorded, plus it would make everything else in scripture null and void, making everyone a liar including Jesus. The written word woukd be meaningless and untrustworthy. Is that what you believe? Would that satisfy you?
Thank you for at last answering!

So, not everyone who calls upon the Name of the LORD will be saved. Those who confess the Lord Jesus, and believe God raised Him from the dead, not them, nope! I could go on but why?

In your answer, you've negated quite a number of passages in Scripture.

I'm so glad that God saves us even with a word, as we call upon Him, as I'm thinking of my father in law, who was in fact saved nearly on his deathbed, and there was not opportunity to baptize him, if we'd tried, he had so much wrong with him, it would have likely killed him. But in fact God received him, and I know this for fact. God made this very clear.

I commend to you the joy of God's grace!

Much love!
 
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John's preaching centered solely on believing on the name of Jesus for eternal life. According to John, Jesus was the Saviour of the world to all who would only believe on his name.
And we know Jesus compared this salvation to Israel in the wilderness, and the plague of serpents. Just like Moses set up a pole with a bronze serpent, and if you were bit, you only need look at the serpent on the pole, and you wouldn't die.

Just look!

Wow! No complications there!

Much love!
 

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Belief only? That negates many scriptures that say more than just belief is required. Belief only is a false, unscriptural, and dangerous doctrine that will not save your soul.

Non-True (Heartful) Belief..
IS
THE Highest, most Egregious, SIN Against God.

Men, who Confess Their True Heartful Belief…(and continue mortally Living)…

ARE: Forgiven for having HAD, Not Believed…
(from the day of their birth , to the Day they confess Belief)

ARE: Accounted Bodily Dead Having been Crucified with Jesus’ Body.

ARE: Soul restored, back to Very Good, as it WAS When they received their Very Good Soul at Birth… Now Called a Saved Soul.

ARE: Given The Seed of God, IN their “circumcised” Heart.

That Given “SEED of God”…
Re-Births that Man NATURAL “spirit” …
(which IS a man “Natural Truth)…
To become Born Again…
From Gods Seed, WITH Gods TRUTH.
* That Seed of God IS CHRIST.
* The Power of God, Called Almighty, IS CHRIST.
* That Holy Spirit of God, Called The Word of God, Call Truth, IS JESUS.

* the Holy Spirit, such a living Confessed man receives…
IS called : The Spirit of Truth.

* such a man IS called:
Forgiven
Saved
Born Again
Converted in Christ
IN Christ
Christs Church member
Christs Bride
A new Creature

Such a person, continuing to “Mortally Live” After “Accounted Crucifixion with Christ”…
Is Accounted, LIVING IN Christ Jesus’ Risen Living Body”…. Aka… “IN Christ”.

And “Christ is accounted” Living IN that mans Mortal Body.

Aka… Greater is He that is “IN you”, than he that is IN the World.

***
And certainly there ARE men who “Heartfully Believe”….but that have “NEVER” “confessed their Belief …To the Lord God

Too bad for them?

No…at the moment of “their MORTAL Death”…
God Himself “searches their Heart… and IF He Finds they DID, truly Believe…”
“He” Saves Them

They are “Not” Christs Church.
They are bodily mortally dead…soul saved, spirit reborn, and soul and spirit risen to heaven to Wait for Their Body to be resurrected, glorified, their soul and spirit to reenter their body…
and stand judged holy … and live with God forever on restored the Earth.

Saved By CHRIST, IN Christ, are Risen up before the Trib from Heaven…

1 Thes 4:
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Not IN Christ, saved By God…
1 Thes 4:
14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

God is Faithful.
God is Just.
No man whose True Belief in His Heart (while Alive), shall Be Prohibited from Receiving Gods Salvation.

Glory to God,
Taken
 

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Non-True (Heartful) Belief..
IS
THE Highest, most Egregious, SIN Against God.

Men, who Confess Their True Heartful Belief…(and continue mortally Living)…

ARE: Forgiven for having HAD, Not Believed…
(from the day of their birth , to the Day they confess Belief)

ARE: Accounted Bodily Dead Having been Crucified with Jesus’ Body.

ARE: Soul restored, back to Very Good, as it WAS When they received their Very Good Soul at Birth… Now Called a Saved Soul.

ARE: Given The Seed of God, IN their “circumcised” Heart.

That Given “SEED of God”…
Re-Births that Man NATURAL “spirit” …
(which IS a man “Natural Truth)…
To become Born Again…
From Gods Seed, WITH Gods TRUTH.
* That Seed of God IS CHRIST.
* The Power of God, Called Almighty, IS CHRIST.
* That Holy Spirit of God, Called The Word of God, Call Truth, IS JESUS.

* the Holy Spirit, such a living Confessed man receives…
IS called : The Spirit of Truth.

* such a man IS called:
Forgiven
Saved
Born Again
Converted in Christ
IN Christ
Christs Church member
Christs Bride
A new Creature

Such a person, continuing to “Mortally Live” After “Accounted Crucifixion with Christ”…
Is Accounted, LIVING IN Christ Jesus’ Risen Living Body”…. Aka… “IN Christ”.

And “Christ is accounted” Living IN that mans Mortal Body.

Aka… Greater is He that is “IN you”, than he that is IN the World.

***
And certainly there ARE men who “Heartfully Believe”….but that have “NEVER” “confessed their Belief …To the Lord God

Too bad for them?

No…at the moment of “their MORTAL Death”…
God Himself “searches their Heart… and IF He Finds they DID, truly Believe…”
“He” Saves Them

They are “Not” Christs Church.
They are bodily mortally dead…soul saved, spirit reborn, and soul and spirit risen to heaven to Wait for Their Body to be resurrected, glorified, their soul and spirit to reenter their body…
and stand judged holy … and live with God forever on restored the Earth.

Saved By CHRIST, IN Christ, are Risen up before the Trib from Heaven…

1 Thes 4:
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Not IN Christ, saved By God…
1 Thes 4:
14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

God is Faithful.
God is Just.
No man whose True Belief in His Heart (while Alive), shall Be Prohibited from Receiving Gods Salvation.

Glory to God,
Taken
Like I said, belief only negates many other scriptures that say more is required. You can disregard them if you like or make believe they aren't there, but they are. Goodbye
 

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Like I said, belief only negates many other scriptures that say more is required. You can disregard them if you like or make believe they aren't there, but they are. Goodbye

Negating Scripture is NOT an Option.

It Is True “Heartful Belief” before Death, that is “Critical”… and Determines “Salvation”.

All men are “individuals”…IF, When, How long, Carnal belief, Heartful belief, Doubt, Sure…is not the same for every “individual”….

So ONE Scripture may APPLY to ONE “Individual”, but not “Another”…

Point…you can not appoint yourself to decide which Scriptures APPLY to other specific men.

Once any man HAS Fulfilled The Scriptures, and Received his gift of Salvation…
Many Scriptures … warnings, Do this to become Saved…etc.
Are Moot….Accomplished…Do not require Repeating… henceforth, no longer Apply to that individual.

Glory To God,
Taken