Why Creation cannot be mixed with Theistic Evolution.

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Hobie

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We find many texts in the scriptures that show how God was the Creator..
By the word of the LORD were the heavens made, their starry host by the breath of his mouth”, Psalms 33:6.

Creation is very clearly laid out especially in Genesis and we see it throuout the Bible. But man has come up with other ideas such as evolution rather than believe that God made things with just a word. Most every time you visit a state park, museum, or display of archeological evidence you are confronted with the question as you read, "Five hundred thousand years ago." or "one million years ago" or "Ten Million Years ago".

There are those who question whether understanding the Creation account as literal or non-literal, affects our understanding of Gods truth. And some Christians have taken a the middle of the fence view when it comes to Creation, and it can have grave consequences. Its Theistic evolution, the belief that God used processes of evolution to create, and it implies that God is bound to the laws of nature, and worse, at least believing “an account of origins at odds with the biblical record of history,” The exact definition is “Theistic evolution (also known as theistic evolutionism or God-guided evolution) is a theological view that God creates through laws of nature”.

The issue at heart is that theistic evolution would alter or modify key doctrines of the Bible. So are the words by writers intended as a literal historical account, as a non-literal reading must provide evidence of specific figurative indicators in the text. So lets look at Genesis 1 on Creation..

“1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

God gave names to the dark and light portions of time, calling them “day” and “night.” And after the first day, God then went through six days of Creation as we see..

"6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day."

"9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.13 And the evening and the morning were the third day."

"14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day."

"20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day."

"24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so. 25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth."

"29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day."


Well it is very clear that it was days and the weekly cycle was set up and Sabbath was given to us at creation as the seventh day of the week as we read in the Bible in Genesis.

Genesis 2

"1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. 2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. 3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made. 4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens,"

God created our world in six literal 24-hour days, and rested on the seventh day and "blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it".

We find a second issue and that is Marriage, as if we evolved, there really is no marriage between man and woman under God. Its just kind of a get together between whatever they have evolved into thus it can be same sex or transferring in between sexes or utter confusion as we see happening.
 

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And some Christians have taken a the middle of the fence view when it comes to Creation, and it can have grave consequences. Its Theistic evolution, the belief that God used processes of evolution to create, and it implies that God is bound to the laws of nature, and worse, at least believing “an account of origins at odds with the biblical record of history,” The exact definition is “Theistic evolution (also known as theistic evolutionism or God-guided evolution) is a theological view that God creates through laws of nature”.
I'm not necessarily on board with this characterization. Theistic Evolution is not my preferred view, but neither would I condemn a Christian scientist who favors that view. He may very well believe that Moses, in writing his account, was giving a short abbreviated version of what took place in a format that suggests some kind of spiritual order or prioritized order.

For example, man is created on the 6th day to indicate he is the object of this creation with respect to man, and so is viewed at the end of a progression of 6 days. It may appear to be well out of balance to place man on little earth at the center of the creation story when earth is only taking the tiniest place in a vast universe. The story, therefore, seems produced to tell man the story, instead of giving a precise scientific sequence.

I don't at all agree that Theistic Evolution is forcing God to be viewed as subject to the laws of nature. Rather, the laws of nature simply suggest what He has done in fact. At the same time, we know that God is not part of Nature, and Pantheism is a false conception of God. God is not subject to a uniformitarian model, such that time cannot be speeded up for Him, ie He is not subject to operating at the speed of light.
The issue at heart is that theistic evolution would alter or modify key doctrines of the Bible. So are the words by writers intended as a literal historical account, as a non-literal reading must provide evidence of specific figurative indicators in the text. So lets look at Genesis 1 on Creation..

“1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

God gave names to the dark and light portions of time, calling them “day” and “night.” And after the first day, God then went through six days of Creation as we see..
Calling each day "evening and morning" seems more like "bookends" surrounding each "Day," rather than actual 24 hour days. It suggests an end even before a beginning, and as such, a "start" of something. It doesn't have to be a literal 24 hour day, since the heavenly lights, created for earth's time measures, aren't even created on the 1st day.

I don't wish the non-Christian world to think that Christians would corrupt scientific inquiry due to their supposed biblical scenario. I have full confidence that the history of the world and of the universe will agree with everything we know about God from the Bible. God doesn't need any help. But honesty is a virtue we must demonstrate as Christians, or lose the value of our testimony to Christ.
 

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Creation is the story of Creation from the sheep's perspective; Evolution is the story of Creation from the wolf's perspective.

Jesus said He was sending us out among wolves (therefore knowing a little of the wolf's perspective is instructive).

What Jesus didn't say was "settle on the wolf's perspective and not the sheep's" (all things need to be taken with a grain of salt).
 

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Calling each day "evening and morning" seems more like "bookends" surrounding each "Day," rather than actual 24 hour days. [...]

The point is that the revolutions of the Earth were not fixed in length. Day One was far slower than Day Two; Day Two was far slower (but not as slow) than Day Three [and so on and so forth]

The revolutions of the Earth sped up, yielding fruit as pertained to the varying speeds.

The point is, God did not just impregnate the Earth with a disease, He slowly and gradually built up a great Creation.
 

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Creation is the story of Creation from the sheep's perspective; Evolution is the story of Creation from the wolf's perspective.

Jesus said He was sending us out among wolves (therefore knowing a little of the wolf's perspective is instructive).

What Jesus didn't say was "settle on the wolf's perspective and not the sheep's" (all things need to be taken with a grain of salt).
Well yes, but the million dollar question is: what actually *is* the "sheep's perspective?" There are Christians who have looked at both Scriptures and Science who have come up with different perspectives. They are not "goats" simply because they don't hold to a Young Earth perspective.

The "wolf's" view dismisses Scriptures entirely, and doesn't believe in them. Or, they dismiss their reliability, compromising with what they wish to believe Science teaches.

The wolves clearly don't wish to have God create and intervene in His Creation such that He is someone we must take seriously in our lives. And so, ignoring the absence of God from their idea of Science, they are forced to explain that different species of animals came to exist on earth, fossils appearing at different times. Evolution is their only answer, barring God's intervention.

Theistic Evolutionists believe God created the world, and may even intervene in it. But they prefer to think that God established history in a fixed way, accepting uniformitarianism, as if events must proceed along a natural course.

Creationists, both young and old earth types, feel that God may have a mix of natural development and supernatural interventionism. The universe and the earth may have left a trail of historical data for us to discover, while at the same time accepting God created things, whether through evolution or by fiat.

I personally take an "old earth" perspective, while accepting that God created species. He likely only allowed for, in His creative plan, certain kinds of evolution, depending on how one defines that term.

I accept that Science is going to be true only if we read the data properly, without inserting our presuppositions. God is clearly the orchestrator of it all, no matter how He did it. And I do believe the Scriptures tell the story as it really was. It is a matter of knowing how much Science Moses really meant to put into His inspired text?
 
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The point is that the revolutions of the Earth were not fixed in length. Day One was far slower than Day Two; Day Two was far slower (but not as slow) than Day Three [and so on and so forth]

The revolutions of the Earth sped up, yielding fruit as pertained to the varying speeds.

The point is, God did not just impregnate the Earth with a disease, He slowly and gradually built up a great Creation.
I really couldn't say. But I do agree that much of this is relative and has to be interpreted as such. The basis for determining "days" was either not established at the 1st day, or it is a metaphor for a period of time, which seems to be what you're saying? If so, I agree.
 
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For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them.
For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse,

Every Christian should SEE this and KNOW this and BELIEVE this.

Attempting to elevate human intellectual prowess before the LORD is like a fly hitting your windsheild at 50mph.

That's what it looks like.