Why didn’t GOD forgive the Jews?

[daughterforlight]

[SIZE=medium]Why didn’t GOD forgive the Jews?[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium] [/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium] [/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]Luke.23[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium][33[/SIZE]] and when they came to the place,
[SIZE=medium]that is called Calvary,[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]they crucified him (the God of Israel) and the malefactors there,[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]one on the right hand and the other on the left.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt][34[/SIZE][SIZE=9pt]] Then Jesus (the Son of the Highest), said:[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]Father, (the GOD of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]forgive them,[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]because they do not know what they are doing. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]+++[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]The Apostles also confirm the fact,[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]that the Jews were ignorant about a matter….[/SIZE]

[SIZE=9pt]Acts.3[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt][17[/SIZE]] And now, brethren,
[SIZE=9pt]I (Peter) know that, through[/SIZE] ignorance (darkness),
[SIZE=9pt]you did it[/SIZE][SIZE=9pt],[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]like your rulers also did.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=9pt]1 Cor.2[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt][7[/SIZE]] But we (Apostles) speak the wisdom of GOD,
[SIZE=9pt]in a mystery (puzzle ??),[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]even the hidden wisdom,[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]that GOD ordained (planned)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]before the world (of Israel),[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]to our glory (importance)
[[/SIZE]8] that none of the princes (the Jewish Rulers),
[SIZE=9pt]of this [/SIZE][SIZE=9pt](Jewish) world knew[/SIZE],
[SIZE=9pt]for had they known it,[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]they would not have crucified,[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]the LORD (of Israel) (of) from glory.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]+++[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]GOD destroyed 2/3 of the Jews in circa 66 - 70 A.D.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]Then he cast away the last 1/3 as non Christian Jews. (Eek.5. 2-12)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]GOD emptied the land as he promised. (Isa.13 1-5; Isa.24:1)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]+[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]The Remnant of Spiritual Israel, [/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]who is the children of the Prophets, (the Apostles and converts),[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]GOD gave to Jesus who is his HAND[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]as his inheritance, to by made into Christians.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=9pt]The Anointed Christians are GOD’s NEW People[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]They are a part of a series of NEW things.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]+++[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]The Jews will consider their History to be ‘a taunt’ (Ezek.5 :15)[/SIZE]

[SIZE=9pt]Exek.5[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt][14[/SIZE][SIZE=9pt]] Moreover I (the Father),[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]will make you (Jews) waste,[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]and (I will make you),[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]a reproach among the (local Gentile) nations,[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]who are around you,[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]in the sight of all who pass by.
[[/SIZE]15] So it (your destruction…in 70 A.D.),
[SIZE=9pt]shall be a reproach and a taunt, (an aggravation to you)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]and an instruction (a lesson)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]and an astonishment to the (local Gentiles) nations,[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]who are around you, (in Judaea),[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]when I shall execute (overflowing righteous) judgments in you,[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]in (my) anger and in (my) fury and in (my) furious rebukes.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]+++[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]I the LORD, (the Most high Father), have said it.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]+++[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]Isa.10[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt][21[/SIZE]] The Remnant,
[SIZE=9pt]even the Remnant of Jacob, shall return to (JESUS),[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]the Mighty God.
[[/SIZE]22] For though your (Isaiah’s) people (population) Israel
[SIZE=9pt]are like the sand of the sea,[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]yet a remnant of them shall return.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]The consumption decreed (by the Most High King),[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]shall overflow with righteousness[/SIZE][SIZE=9pt]. (70 A.D.)[/SIZE]

[SIZE=9pt]Luke.23[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt][34[/SIZE][SIZE=9pt]] Then Jesus said:[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]Father,[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]forgive them,[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]because they do not know what they are doing.[/SIZE]

 

[kjw47]

[SIZE=medium]Why didn’t GOD forgive the Jews?[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium] [/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium] [/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]Luke.23[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium][33[/SIZE]] and when they came to the place,
[SIZE=medium]that is called Calvary,[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]they crucified him (the God of Israel) and the malefactors there,[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]one on the right hand and the other on the left.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt][34[/SIZE][SIZE=9pt]] Then Jesus (the Son of the Highest), said:[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]Father, (the GOD of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]forgive them,[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]because they do not know what they are doing. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]+++[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]The Apostles also confirm the fact,[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]that the Jews were ignorant about a matter….[/SIZE]

[SIZE=9pt]Acts.3[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt][17[/SIZE]] And now, brethren,
[SIZE=9pt]I (Peter) know that, through[/SIZE] ignorance (darkness),
[SIZE=9pt]you did it[/SIZE][SIZE=9pt],[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]like your rulers also did.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=9pt]1 Cor.2[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt][7[/SIZE]] But we (Apostles) speak the wisdom of GOD,
[SIZE=9pt]in a mystery (puzzle ??),[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]even the hidden wisdom,[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]that GOD ordained (planned)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]before the world (of Israel),[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]to our glory (importance)
[[/SIZE]8] that none of the princes (the Jewish Rulers),
[SIZE=9pt]of this [/SIZE][SIZE=9pt](Jewish) world knew[/SIZE],
[SIZE=9pt]for had they known it,[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]they would not have crucified,[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]the LORD (of Israel) (of) from glory.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]+++[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]GOD destroyed 2/3 of the Jews in circa 66 - 70 A.D.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]Then he cast away the last 1/3 as non Christian Jews. (Eek.5. 2-12)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]GOD emptied the land as he promised. (Isa.13 1-5; Isa.24:1)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]+[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]The Remnant of Spiritual Israel, [/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]who is the children of the Prophets, (the Apostles and converts),[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]GOD gave to Jesus who is his HAND[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]as his inheritance, to by made into Christians.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=9pt]The Anointed Christians are GOD’s NEW People[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]They are a part of a series of NEW things.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]+++[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]The Jews will consider their History to be ‘a taunt’ (Ezek.5 :15)[/SIZE]

[SIZE=9pt]Exek.5[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt][14[/SIZE][SIZE=9pt]] Moreover I (the Father),[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]will make you (Jews) waste,[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]and (I will make you),[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]a reproach among the (local Gentile) nations,[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]who are around you,[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]in the sight of all who pass by.
[[/SIZE]15] So it (your destruction…in 70 A.D.),
[SIZE=9pt]shall be a reproach and a taunt, (an aggravation to you)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]and an instruction (a lesson)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]and an astonishment to the (local Gentiles) nations,[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]who are around you, (in Judaea),[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]when I shall execute (overflowing righteous) judgments in you,[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]in (my) anger and in (my) fury and in (my) furious rebukes.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]+++[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]I the LORD, (the Most high Father), have said it.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]+++[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]Isa.10[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt][21[/SIZE]] The Remnant,
[SIZE=9pt]even the Remnant of Jacob, shall return to (JESUS),[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]the Mighty God.
[[/SIZE]22] For though your (Isaiah’s) people (population) Israel
[SIZE=9pt]are like the sand of the sea,[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]yet a remnant of them shall return.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]The consumption decreed (by the Most High King),[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]shall overflow with righteousness[/SIZE][SIZE=9pt]. (70 A.D.)[/SIZE]

[SIZE=9pt]Luke.23[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt][34[/SIZE][SIZE=9pt]] Then Jesus said:[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]Father,[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]forgive them,[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]because they do not know what they are doing.[/SIZE]

All through the years the Israelites kept falling from Gods grace. When Jesus came they rejected him and sent him to his death--Jesus tried to correct their bad teachings but they hated him for it. It was the last straw--God cut them off of being his chosen( matt 23:37-38)( the door remained open to anyone who would accept Jesus as the Messiah) But in a new religion--Jesus started with the new covenant.

 

[Floyd]

[SIZE=medium]Why didn’t GOD forgive the Jews?[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium] [/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium] [/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]Luke.23[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium][33[/SIZE]] and when they came to the place,
[SIZE=medium]that is called Calvary,[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]they crucified him (the God of Israel) and the malefactors there,[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]one on the right hand and the other on the left.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt][34[/SIZE][SIZE=9pt]] Then Jesus (the Son of the Highest), said:[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]Father, (the GOD of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]forgive them,[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]because they do not know what they are doing. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]+++[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]The Apostles also confirm the fact,[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]that the Jews were ignorant about a matter….[/SIZE]

[SIZE=9pt]Acts.3[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt][17[/SIZE]] And now, brethren,
[SIZE=9pt]I (Peter) know that, through[/SIZE] ignorance (darkness),
[SIZE=9pt]you did it[/SIZE][SIZE=9pt],[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]like your rulers also did.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=9pt]1 Cor.2[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt][7[/SIZE]] But we (Apostles) speak the wisdom of GOD,
[SIZE=9pt]in a mystery (puzzle ??),[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]even the hidden wisdom,[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]that GOD ordained (planned)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]before the world (of Israel),[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]to our glory (importance)
[[/SIZE]8] that none of the princes (the Jewish Rulers),
[SIZE=9pt]of this [/SIZE][SIZE=9pt](Jewish) world knew[/SIZE],
[SIZE=9pt]for had they known it,[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]they would not have crucified,[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]the LORD (of Israel) (of) from glory.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]+++[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]GOD destroyed 2/3 of the Jews in circa 66 - 70 A.D.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]Then he cast away the last 1/3 as non Christian Jews. (Eek.5. 2-12)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]GOD emptied the land as he promised. (Isa.13 1-5; Isa.24:1)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]+[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]The Remnant of Spiritual Israel, [/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]who is the children of the Prophets, (the Apostles and converts),[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]GOD gave to Jesus who is his HAND[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]as his inheritance, to by made into Christians.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=9pt]The Anointed Christians are GOD’s NEW People[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]They are a part of a series of NEW things.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]+++[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]The Jews will consider their History to be ‘a taunt’ (Ezek.5 :15)[/SIZE]

[SIZE=9pt]Exek.5[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt][14[/SIZE][SIZE=9pt]] Moreover I (the Father),[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]will make you (Jews) waste,[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]and (I will make you),[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]a reproach among the (local Gentile) nations,[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]who are around you,[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]in the sight of all who pass by.
[[/SIZE]15] So it (your destruction…in 70 A.D.),
[SIZE=9pt]shall be a reproach and a taunt, (an aggravation to you)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]and an instruction (a lesson)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]and an astonishment to the (local Gentiles) nations,[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]who are around you, (in Judaea),[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]when I shall execute (overflowing righteous) judgments in you,[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]in (my) anger and in (my) fury and in (my) furious rebukes.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]+++[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]I the LORD, (the Most high Father), have said it.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]+++[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]Isa.10[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt][21[/SIZE]] The Remnant,
[SIZE=9pt]even the Remnant of Jacob, shall return to (JESUS),[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]the Mighty God.
[[/SIZE]22] For though your (Isaiah’s) people (population) Israel
[SIZE=9pt]are like the sand of the sea,[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]yet a remnant of them shall return.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]The consumption decreed (by the Most High King),[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]shall overflow with righteousness[/SIZE][SIZE=9pt]. (70 A.D.)[/SIZE]

[SIZE=9pt]Luke.23[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt][34[/SIZE][SIZE=9pt]] Then Jesus said:[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]Father,[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]forgive them,[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]because they do not know what they are doing.[/SIZE]

They are at present "lo-ammi"; (not my people).
That is not permanent; see Hos.1&2.
The present "age is that of the Gentiles.
When that is complete, the Jews will be readopted, "ammi".
Floyd.


THE BODY OF CHRIST and the BRIDE OF CHRIST




[SIZE=14pt]There is a clear divide between the Body, and the Bride of Christ. That division is at Acts 28:25-28, and is a direct consequence of the failure of Israel to acknowledge and accept Christ Jesus as Messiah of Jehovah God.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]In 1 Cor.12:27; Paul in this reference seems to clearly define the pre - Acts 28:28 Christians as the body of Christ, (it has to be said that different teachers and groups have different interpretations, as to the status of Christians re- the body of Christ, prior to the end of Acts), but that is due to many years of miss-teaching and misunderstanding of Scripture, which is now hidebound in the Training Syllabus of Colleges etc. One of the clearest explanations on this subject is ‘The Wife, The Bride, and The Body’, by Charles Ozanne, and is obtainable through the Open Bible Trust at www.obt.org.uk .[/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]Eph.3:6; Paul here clearly shows in this narrative that Gentiles "should be fellow heirs and of the same body;" Ephesians is dated approx. AD 61/62, and is one of the 7 letters that Paul wrote post Acts 28:28; and therefore of special significance to Christians now, as the post Acts 28:28 Body of Christ! The significance of this is that the Stewardship of God's purpose in His Word, had passed or was passing from the Jews to the Gentiles.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]The significance of 1 Cor. 12:27, and Eph. 3:6, is that the former was written pre. Acts 28:28, and the latter post Acts 28:28. In the former the Jew is still first in the purpose of Almighty God, i.e. they still held the mandate to declare God's Word in truth. Their failure to accept Christ Jesus as Messiah at the last of Paul's visits to the Roman synagogue, placed them in the position of "Lo-Ammi", not My people, (a temporary state).[/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]The Gospel of Redemption and the Kingdom (Millennium) has since been given to the Gentiles to declare, who since that time are the Stewards of the Word of Truth, and still are at the present time.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]The clear definition of the Bride of Christ, is all people, Jew or Gentile who accepted Christ as Messiah and Saviour up to Acts 28:28. Also, righteous OT Jews and Gentiles as per Hebrews, and probably many “overcomers” of Revelation. They will have a life on earth in the flesh in Millennial, and will eventually be “married” to Christ, as described in Rev. 21![/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]The clear definition of the Body of Christ, is all people on earth of all nationalities, who have trusted Christ Jesus for Salvation since Acts 28:28, and whose destiny is a “Glorified body”, as per Christ’s when they are raised or translated, at the return of Christ to earth![/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]It is clear from Scripture that the group before Acts 28:28 are still Jewish in emphasis Rom. 4, and blessed through Abraham, therefore their inheritance and future function is on the earth, Gal. 3:6-9, 4:22-24. Whereas the post Acts 28:28 group have their inheritance in the heavenlies, Eph. 1:3, 2:6, 3:10 and 2Tim. 4:18.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]There is no doubt that there was a special calling through Peter and others starting at Acts 2 to the Jewish people. Peter describes in Acts 2 what was happening in the giving of the Spirit, that had been promised by Christ Jesus prior to His Ascension. The word (ekklesia) is used in the first chapter of Revelation in what are called the 7 Churches and the linking of that description to the Jews at the beginning of the Acts period is clearly similar.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]The implications of this for the study of Revelation are profound, and show (in the view of the writers) that the giving of the Holy Spirit which started at Pentecost, and ceased at Acts 28:28; cannot re-commence with the Jewish nation until similar conditions approximate again on earth, and the Jews are no longer "Lo-Ammi" but "Ammi, My people"; which seems to be at, just prior to, or after our Lord's return, (see: "Joel's Prophecy Past and Futurre", Mike Penny, the Open Bible Trust www.obt.org.uk[/SIZE]).

[SIZE=14pt]This shows that the groupings of peoples described in the early parts of Revelation (the seven churches) are under a new set of conditions, not those of Acts period or Grace period. The Age of Grace is then finished, and “works” and “overcoming" are paramount. The "Overcomers" are a special group of people with special rewards, and special enabling by the Spirit of Christ, see the first 3 chapters of Revelation.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]The fact of the body of Christ being post Acts 28:28 (in the opinion of the writers), and up to an as yet unknown date in the future, shows that they are not the same grouping as the "Overcomers" of Revelation.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]In Romans 11, is described the use of the Gentiles by God, to try to draw Israel back to Him, as is shown in the Acts period. Post Acts 28:28 shows a temporary casting off of Israel "until the fullness of the Gentiles be come in" (v 25). When that has happened Israel shall be saved by Messiah (v.26), because they are elect people (v.28), and because of the promises of God to their forefathers.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]There is therefore a future relationship between the body (Christ's people), and the Israel of the future described in Revelation, Ezekiel, Zechariah and elsewhere. They are not of the same grouping, (i.e. Christ and His people, called His body), and (the true Israel called in the OT "Jeshurun"). From descriptions in the books mentioned, Israel is drawn together from their present "diaspora" world wide, to their "promised land" and the borders promised to their forefathers. The Millennial is a period of 1000 years of dwelling in their "promised land", and during that period they and their King (Christ Jesus Great David’s Greater Son, Psm.132:11, 2Sam.7:12, Jer.23:5) will be revered by the nations of the world that have survived into the Millennial, after the "sheep and goat judgement", see: [/SIZE] Sheep and Goat Judgement [SIZE=medium](Separate study)[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt] They are called a "Kingdom of Priests unto God" Ex. 19:6 and Rev. 1:6, see:[/SIZE] A Kingdom of Priest unto God [SIZE=medium](Separate study)[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt], and their function as such will be to the nations of the world.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]Christ and His people (His body) appear to have a very elevated function, part of which is earthly and partly heavenly. Very little detail is given as to this function but the Apostle Paul, gives some understanding in his writings. We know that Christ Jesus will rule the world from Jerusalem during that period as the Jewish Messiah, and we know also that His body (His people) "are ever with Him". The implications therefore as to the functions of the body during the Millennial appear to be very wide![/SIZE]

 

[RANDOR]

wow....this stuff is way over my pay scale

 

[daughterforlight]

All through the years the Israelites kept falling from Gods grace. When Jesus came they rejected him and sent him to his death--Jesus tried to correct their bad teachings but they hated him for it. It was the last straw--God cut them off of being his chosen( matt 23:37-38)( the door remained open to anyone who would accept Jesus as the Messiah) But in a new religion--Jesus started with the new covenant.

So GOD said "No" to his beloved Son whom he upholds?

I GOD granted Jesus' request, that he always does,
for whom else does he have to take vengeance ??
Discount Jesus.
Who is left .....??

They are at present "lo-ammi"; (not my people).
That is not permanent; see Hos.1&2.
The present "age is that of the Gentiles.
When that is complete, the Jews will be readopted, "ammi".
Floyd.


THE BODY OF CHRIST and the BRIDE OF CHRIST




[SIZE=14pt]There is a clear divide between the Body, and the Bride of Christ. That division is at Acts 28:25-28, and is a direct consequence of the failure of Israel to acknowledge and accept Christ Jesus as Messiah of Jehovah God.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]In 1 Cor.12:27; Paul in this reference seems to clearly define the pre - Acts 28:28 Christians as the body of Christ, (it has to be said that different teachers and groups have different interpretations, as to the status of Christians re- the body of Christ, prior to the end of Acts), but that is due to many years of miss-teaching and misunderstanding of Scripture, which is now hidebound in the Training Syllabus of Colleges etc. One of the clearest explanations on this subject is ‘The Wife, The Bride, and The Body’, by Charles Ozanne, and is obtainable through the Open Bible Trust at www.obt.org.uk .[/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]Eph.3:6; Paul here clearly shows in this narrative that Gentiles "should be fellow heirs and of the same body;" Ephesians is dated approx. AD 61/62, and is one of the 7 letters that Paul wrote post Acts 28:28; and therefore of special significance to Christians now, as the post Acts 28:28 Body of Christ! The significance of this is that the Stewardship of God's purpose in His Word, had passed or was passing from the Jews to the Gentiles.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]The significance of 1 Cor. 12:27, and Eph. 3:6, is that the former was written pre. Acts 28:28, and the latter post Acts 28:28. In the former the Jew is still first in the purpose of Almighty God, i.e. they still held the mandate to declare God's Word in truth. Their failure to accept Christ Jesus as Messiah at the last of Paul's visits to the Roman synagogue, placed them in the position of "Lo-Ammi", not My people, (a temporary state).[/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]The Gospel of Redemption and the Kingdom (Millennium) has since been given to the Gentiles to declare, who since that time are the Stewards of the Word of Truth, and still are at the present time.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]The clear definition of the Bride of Christ, is all people, Jew or Gentile who accepted Christ as Messiah and Saviour up to Acts 28:28. Also, righteous OT Jews and Gentiles as per Hebrews, and probably many “overcomers” of Revelation. They will have a life on earth in the flesh in Millennial, and will eventually be “married” to Christ, as described in Rev. 21![/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]The clear definition of the Body of Christ, is all people on earth of all nationalities, who have trusted Christ Jesus for Salvation since Acts 28:28, and whose destiny is a “Glorified body”, as per Christ’s when they are raised or translated, at the return of Christ to earth![/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]It is clear from Scripture that the group before Acts 28:28 are still Jewish in emphasis Rom. 4, and blessed through Abraham, therefore their inheritance and future function is on the earth, Gal. 3:6-9, 4:22-24. Whereas the post Acts 28:28 group have their inheritance in the heavenlies, Eph. 1:3, 2:6, 3:10 and 2Tim. 4:18.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]There is no doubt that there was a special calling through Peter and others starting at Acts 2 to the Jewish people. Peter describes in Acts 2 what was happening in the giving of the Spirit, that had been promised by Christ Jesus prior to His Ascension. The word (ekklesia) is used in the first chapter of Revelation in what are called the 7 Churches and the linking of that description to the Jews at the beginning of the Acts period is clearly similar.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]The implications of this for the study of Revelation are profound, and show (in the view of the writers) that the giving of the Holy Spirit which started at Pentecost, and ceased at Acts 28:28; cannot re-commence with the Jewish nation until similar conditions approximate again on earth, and the Jews are no longer "Lo-Ammi" but "Ammi, My people"; which seems to be at, just prior to, or after our Lord's return, (see: "Joel's Prophecy Past and Futurre", Mike Penny, the Open Bible Trust www.obt.org.uk[/SIZE]).

[SIZE=14pt]This shows that the groupings of peoples described in the early parts of Revelation (the seven churches) are under a new set of conditions, not those of Acts period or Grace period. The Age of Grace is then finished, and “works” and “overcoming" are paramount. The "Overcomers" are a special group of people with special rewards, and special enabling by the Spirit of Christ, see the first 3 chapters of Revelation.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]The fact of the body of Christ being post Acts 28:28 (in the opinion of the writers), and up to an as yet unknown date in the future, shows that they are not the same grouping as the "Overcomers" of Revelation.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]In Romans 11, is described the use of the Gentiles by God, to try to draw Israel back to Him, as is shown in the Acts period. Post Acts 28:28 shows a temporary casting off of Israel "until the fullness of the Gentiles be come in" (v 25). When that has happened Israel shall be saved by Messiah (v.26), because they are elect people (v.28), and because of the promises of God to their forefathers.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]There is therefore a future relationship between the body (Christ's people), and the Israel of the future described in Revelation, Ezekiel, Zechariah and elsewhere. They are not of the same grouping, (i.e. Christ and His people, called His body), and (the true Israel called in the OT "Jeshurun"). From descriptions in the books mentioned, Israel is drawn together from their present "diaspora" world wide, to their "promised land" and the borders promised to their forefathers. The Millennial is a period of 1000 years of dwelling in their "promised land", and during that period they and their King (Christ Jesus Great David’s Greater Son, Psm.132:11, 2Sam.7:12, Jer.23:5) will be revered by the nations of the world that have survived into the Millennial, after the "sheep and goat judgement", see: [/SIZE] Sheep and Goat Judgement [SIZE=medium](Separate study)[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt] They are called a "Kingdom of Priests unto God" Ex. 19:6 and Rev. 1:6, see:[/SIZE] A Kingdom of Priest unto God [SIZE=medium](Separate study)[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt], and their function as such will be to the nations of the world.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]Christ and His people (His body) appear to have a very elevated function, part of which is earthly and partly heavenly. Very little detail is given as to this function but the Apostle Paul, gives some understanding in his writings. We know that Christ Jesus will rule the world from Jerusalem during that period as the Jewish Messiah, and we know also that His body (His people) "are ever with Him". The implications therefore as to the functions of the body during the Millennial appear to be very wide![/SIZE]

So is that your answer...
He destroyed and emptied Judaea, in 70 A.D.
Did he forgive them as his beloved son asked ?

wow....this stuff is way over my pay scale

Suck up to Jesus and make him, not people, your Teacher...

Best regards to you...

 

[Floyd]

So GOD said "No" to his beloved Son whom he upholds?

I GOD granted Jesus' request, that he always does,
for whom else does he have to take vengeance ??
Discount Jesus.
Who is left .....??

So is that your answer...
He destroyed and emptied Judaea, in 70 A.D.
Did he forgive them as his beloved son asked ?

Suck up to Jesus and make him, not people, your Teacher...

Best regards to you...

daughterforlight

I tested your responses; you are not serious, and not worthy of debate on such an important subject!
Who do you serve!!!?
Floyd.
Satan's people:

 

[daughterforlight]

daughterforlight

I tested your responses; you are not serious, and not worthy of debate on such an important subject!
Who do you serve!!!?
Floyd.
Satan's people:

Jesus was called MAD and possessed by devil...

One can only walk in the light that Jesus gives.
Jesus expects total obedience, to the Apostles,
like he obeyed.

Look in the mirror...
2Tim.2
[24] And the servant of the Lord must not strive;
but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,
[25] In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves;
if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;
[26] And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil,
who are taken captive by him at his will.

 

[Bible_Gazer]

Well when Jesus said that on the cross they did not get destroyed at that time after he died did they ?

Opportunity for forgiveness was there, they just needed to ask for it.

He gave them almost 40 years of preaching of Jesus to correct it.

That is if we are talking about the Nation of Israel on a big scale and not the converted Jews that were forgiven of their sins.

 

[Floyd]

Well when Jesus said that on the cross they did not get destroyed at that time after he died did they ?

Opportunity for forgiveness was there, they just needed to ask for it.

He gave them almost 40 years of preaching of Jesus to correct it.

That is if we are talking about the Nation of Israel on a big scale and not the converted Jews that were forgiven of their sins.

Good comment Bible Gazer!
Floyd.

[SIZE=24pt]God’s Gentiles Blessing.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=18pt]There is much confused thinking and teaching on the subject of the world’s Jews and Gentiles. If people would study the Bible as the only authority as to knowing the answers to such questions; there would not be so much confusion; but; as Satan is the “prince of this world”, and “god of this world” according to statements by both Jesus and Apostle Paul: Jn.12:31, 14:30, 16:11, Eph.2:2, 2Cor. 4:4; and as many people will not refer to Scripture only, the confusion will continue to Satan’s benefit till the end of this Age![/SIZE]
[SIZE=18pt]An old fallacy that is rearing its head again in the world’s teachings, is that Satan was “bound at the cross of Calvary”! If a person accepts that as fact, their Bible study must start at Rev. 20, where the statement is made that Satan is bound! This then throws out of sequence all their subsequent study, as they hang on to that false idea; and leaves them living now in the Millennial; which make all other study difficult if not impossible to reconcile![/SIZE]
[SIZE=18pt]When confronted with this statement recently, the writer pointed out that Jesus made His comments on Satan prior to His [/SIZE][SIZE=18pt] Ascension, but Paul’s was 27 and 31 years after the Ascension; but he refused to budge from his position! This attitude is very common in the world, and is clearly driven and maintained by Satan, and will be until the “age of the Gentiles is complete” Rom.11:25.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=18pt]The reason for mentioning the above encounter is to illustrate the mass of misunderstanding and wrong teaching in the world. When there is a sincere and prayerful desire to know truth from Scripture, it will be given by the Holy Spirit![/SIZE]
[SIZE=18pt]Turning now to the subject of this paper, definition of Jew and Gentile is needed.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=18pt]All Jews are descendants of Abraham and Sarah, and their miracle son Isaac. The only exceptions to that rule are genuine Proselytes. Gentiles are all other people of the world in all nations. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=18pt]The first ref. in Scripture to Gentile blessing is Gen.22:18: “And in thy seed shall all nations of the world be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice”. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=18pt]It needs to be emphasized here that Abraham’s obedience was the key to the Gentile future blessing! Obedience, or the lack of it, was to be the success or failure of Israel’s future progress with Jehovah (God in Covenant relationship with Israel Gen.9:13; 13:17; 17:11; 17:4; 17:13).[/SIZE]
[SIZE=18pt]This principle of obedience, which was a condition stipulated by Jehovah, had to be honored by Israel for all the blessings promised to be delivered by Jehovah![/SIZE]
[SIZE=18pt]At the Exodus, Israel was elevated to “My first born son” by Jehovah Ex.4:22, and the “oracles” of God entrusted to them.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=18pt]This entailed witness to the tribes of the “One true God” they would encounter in the “land of promise”; not engaging in sexual relations with their women; behaving in a way which honored their Jehovah; and not adopting or engaging the pagan gods of the tribes. The details of these stipulations by God were recorded in Deuteronomy, including Israel’s promises to adhere to them. In return for their faithful adherence to their promise; Jehovah promised blessings in the enterprise of protection, growth, success in battle etc.; all of which would be seen by the nations surrounding them in the “promised land”! That would fill them with awe, and make them want to know “the God of the Jews”![/SIZE]
[SIZE=18pt]If Israel did not do the right things by God, and their promises to Him, He spelt out what would be the result in Deut. 28 to 32; which has been, and still is partially their condition today![/SIZE]
[SIZE=18pt]So; we see that Israel has been relieved of their special place as God’s special representative on Earth due to their infidelity to their Jehovah God! See: [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]The position of the Jews in Scripture, Old and New Testaments.[/SIZE] [SIZE=13.5pt]The Scribes and Pharisees[/SIZE] [SIZE=medium]A Kingdom of Priest unto God [/SIZE] [SIZE=medium] Jehovah's dealings with Israel [/SIZE]
[SIZE=18pt]What then has happened to the “Oracles” of God in the world? What is the position regarding God’s witness to all mankind?[/SIZE]
[SIZE=18pt]When Jesus was denounced by the Jewish Sanhedrin, and the people in front of Pilate; sent to the Roman cross for execution; He on the cross, prior to giving up His spirit of life to the Father, said; “Father, forgive them, they know not what they do”![/SIZE]
[SIZE=18pt]At His resurrection He stated to His disciples that at Pentecost they would receive the “Holy Spirit” to enable them in their evangelistic work; and that they would do great things in His Name among His people “and those that though hast given me”, John 17:20, which referred to both Jews and Gentiles; but the Jews were first in order (priority), which was confirmed by Paul and all the apostles. Paul always during his evangelical journeys, visited the local Synagogue first to preach the good news of Christ’s Sacrifice for the Jews; (this was mandated by the Holy Spirit, who was directing Paul’s efforts)![/SIZE]
[SIZE=18pt] All the Synagogue’s rejected Paul’s efforts, the last being Rome, and as one by one they excluded him, he then preached in all areas where he would be heard, including public places and private homes![/SIZE]
[SIZE=18pt]After the rejection by the Rome Synagogue, Paul then made the profound statement in Acts 28:25-28; that he would from then onward “turn to the Gentiles, and they will hear”![/SIZE]
[SIZE=18pt]He had made clear to King Agrippa, that the Risen Christ via the Holy Spirit was instructing him in all his actions; so we know that all that Paul said were the Words of Christ Jesus, as His mouthpiece![/SIZE]
[SIZE=18pt]Since that time at the end of the Acts; the prayer of our Lord on the cross for the Jewish people ran out; and they were “set to one side”, “Lo-Ammi”,(Hos. 1 and 2); which will be the case until they are re-adopted to Ammi; probably in the near future, looking at the world political situations, especially the Middle East![/SIZE]
[SIZE=18pt]The statement by Paul at Acts28:28, has changed the priority of God’s dealings in the world, and the Gentiles became first priority with the Jews second; which is the meaning of the Paul’s statement and teaching of the “mystery” of Rom.11:25, Eph.3:3.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=18pt]This transition has been misused and misunderstood by many groups, starting with the “church fathers” see: [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]Replacement Theology[/SIZE] [SIZE=18pt]This has led to much wrong teaching and wrong attitude towards the Jews, which will not be corrected until the “sheep and goat judgement” of Matt. 25:31-46.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=18pt]Prior to that, this “Age” of the Gentiles must be completed Romans 11:25.[/SIZE]

 

[shturt678]

Thank you for caring again Floyd.

Wrongfully interpreting the Bible's Text going from the English backwards to the ancient languages results in not understanding "Satan's binding" (Rev.20:2, etc.).

Using Interlinears, Lexicons, and the tools God gave us interpreting from the ancient languages forward to the English interpreting the Bible's Context results in the following:

Rev.20:2, etc., "...and bound him for a thousand years." The binding of Satan personally means simply that he shall not prevent this heralding of the gospel to all the nations - simple as that! Only the antichristian propaganda in the face of the heralded everlasting gospel, only the antichristian seduction with its poisoning (Rev.19:20) still deceive the nations - simple as that!

The "thousand years" began at the Cross of course and ends with Satan's personal loosing soon (Rev.20:7).

Old Jack's view

 

[Floyd]

Thank you for caring again Floyd.

Wrongfully interpreting the Bible's Text going from the English backwards to the ancient languages results in not understanding "Satan's binding" (Rev.20:2, etc.).

Using Interlinears, Lexicons, and the tools God gave us interpreting from the ancient languages forward to the English interpreting the Bible's Context results in the following:

Rev.20:2, etc., "...and bound him for a thousand years." The binding of Satan personally means simply that he shall not prevent this heralding of the gospel to all the nations - simple as that! Only the antichristian propaganda in the face of the heralded everlasting gospel, only the antichristian seduction with its poisoning (Rev.19:20) still deceive the nations - simple as that!

The "thousand years" began at the Cross of course and ends with Satan's personal loosing soon (Rev.20:7).

Old Jack's view

As already said on other Subject; you have got it wrong! Same applies on this thread too!
Floyd.

 

[daughterforlight]

Well when Jesus said that on the cross they did not get destroyed at that time after he died did they ?

Opportunity for forgiveness was there, they just needed to ask for it.

He gave them almost 40 years of preaching of Jesus to correct it.

That is if we are talking about the Nation of Israel on a big scale and not the converted Jews that were forgiven of their sins.

This is request from the beloved Son to his Father who upholds him.

Discount Jesus,
Who else did GOD have to take vengeance for??

Keep well..

Grace to you >>

 

[kjw47]

Thank you for caring again Floyd.

Wrongfully interpreting the Bible's Text going from the English backwards to the ancient languages results in not understanding "Satan's binding" (Rev.20:2, etc.).

Using Interlinears, Lexicons, and the tools God gave us interpreting from the ancient languages forward to the English interpreting the Bible's Context results in the following:

Rev.20:2, etc., "...and bound him for a thousand years." The binding of Satan personally means simply that he shall not prevent this heralding of the gospel to all the nations - simple as that! Only the antichristian propaganda in the face of the heralded everlasting gospel, only the antichristian seduction with its poisoning (Rev.19:20) still deceive the nations - simple as that!

The "thousand years" began at the Cross of course and ends with Satan's personal loosing soon (Rev.20:7).

Old Jack's view

How could the 1000 years begin at the cross--that was nearly 2000 years ago---you are mistaken.

So GOD said "No" to his beloved Son whom he upholds?

I GOD granted Jesus' request, that he always does,
for whom else does he have to take vengeance ??
Discount Jesus.
Who is left .....??

So is that your answer...
He destroyed and emptied Judaea, in 70 A.D.
Did he forgive them as his beloved son asked ?

Suck up to Jesus and make him, not people, your Teacher...

Best regards to you...

Individuals accept Jesus as the Messiah--The Israelite religion never will.

 

[shturt678]

How could the 1000 years begin at the cross--that was nearly 2000 years ago---you are mistaken.

Individuals accept Jesus as the Messiah--The Israelite religion never will.

Thank you for your response and caring again!

Agape these low paygrade issues, ie, Lk.11:21, 22: At the Cross! The tertium in the illustration is the fact that complete defeat must precede the act of plundering - God's Kingdom must have come before the demonics could be liberated as Jesus was liberating them kjw47. A syllogism underlies the illustration and its obvious application to Jesus and Satan. Major premise: Only complete vicory allows plundering at will; minor: Jesus plunders Satan at will; conclusion: Jesus achieved complete victory over Satan. Now what do you think of our Godman Lord Jesus Christ, ie, the ol' rugged Cross.

Old Jack

 

[DPMartin]

Who says He didn’t, just what is your expectation of the God of Israel. Didn’t He come to them despite what they where like? Don’t you think God knew what they where like before He sent His Beloved Son into the world? Also, how many years of the preaching of the Gospel was heard through out Jerusalem and Israel before the Romans trampled them? 30 to 40, isn’t it?

And as a people, they still are Jewish, after almost 2000 yr’s. Through turmoil and persecutions most other groups of people would loss their identity as a nation or tribe.
　
No, it seems you see what you value as what God should do for those He has a agreement with. Buy by remaining Jewish they as individuals and as a people continue to remain in that agreement with the Lord God of Israel. The circumcision is the seal of the covenant with Abraham and his seed.

If any Christian does in like manner towards the Lord their God, the Lord may maintain His soul but the life and things the disobedient value don’t have to be fulfilled to the satisfactions of this life, does it? Jesus came to save souls, not to enrich satisfactions in this life. Such things the Lord God has been known to give, but are very low on His priority list.

 

[shturt678]

Who says He didn’t, just what is your expectation of the God of Israel. Didn’t He come to them despite what they where like? Don’t you think God knew what they where like before He sent His Beloved Son into the world? Also, how many years of the preaching of the Gospel was heard through out Jerusalem and Israel before the Romans trampled them? 30 to 40, isn’t it?

And as a people, they still are Jewish, after almost 2000 yr’s. Through turmoil and persecutions most other groups of people would loss their identity as a nation or tribe.
　
No, it seems you see what you value as what God should do for those He has a agreement with. Buy by remaining Jewish they as individuals and as a people continue to remain in that agreement with the Lord God of Israel. The circumcision is the seal of the covenant with Abraham and his seed.

If any Christian does in like manner towards the Lord their God, the Lord may maintain His soul but the life and things the disobedient value don’t have to be fulfilled to the satisfactions of this life, does it? Jesus came to save souls, not to enrich satisfactions in this life. Such things the Lord God has been known to give, but are very low on His priority list.

Thank you for caring!

Rest easy, there will be a remnant of a remnant of Jews that become Jewish Christians prior to Jesus 2nd Coming.

Old Jack

 

[Floyd]

Who says He didn’t, just what is your expectation of the God of Israel. Didn’t He come to them despite what they where like? Don’t you think God knew what they where like before He sent His Beloved Son into the world? Also, how many years of the preaching of the Gospel was heard through out Jerusalem and Israel before the Romans trampled them? 30 to 40, isn’t it?

And as a people, they still are Jewish, after almost 2000 yr’s. Through turmoil and persecutions most other groups of people would loss their identity as a nation or tribe.
　
No, it seems you see what you value as what God should do for those He has a agreement with. Buy by remaining Jewish they as individuals and as a people continue to remain in that agreement with the Lord God of Israel. The circumcision is the seal of the covenant with Abraham and his seed.

If any Christian does in like manner towards the Lord their God, the Lord may maintain His soul but the life and things the disobedient value don’t have to be fulfilled to the satisfactions of this life, does it? Jesus came to save souls, not to enrich satisfactions in this life. Such things the Lord God has been known to give, but are very low on His priority list.

Good comment DP.M. Floyd.


A Kingdom of Priests unto God


[SIZE=14pt]The common view and teaching on this subject, is that the [/SIZE]Redeemed [SIZE=14pt]of the Lord (Jesus Christ), make up the members of “[/SIZE]the Kingdom and Priests[SIZE=14pt]”. The Redeemed are at present drawn from all nations of the world, and all races, and the only criterion is acceptance of [/SIZE]Jesus Christ’s Sacrificial Death on the Calvary Cross[SIZE=14pt]! That “Kingdom” is the [/SIZE]Millennial Kingdom[SIZE=14pt] and [/SIZE]Reign of Christ Messiah Jesus[SIZE=14pt], and is instigated by Him at [/SIZE]His return to Earth to save His people Israel[SIZE=14pt], [/SIZE]and to judge the Gentile nations[SIZE=14pt].[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]Part of the reason for this understanding and teaching is the [/SIZE]mistranslation[SIZE=14pt] by the 1611 King James Version of the Bible, where various words which should have been translated ‘kingdom’,[/SIZE] were translated[SIZE=14pt] ‘[/SIZE]kings[SIZE=14pt]’![/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]Below are two examples of this error in the first chapter of Revelation.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]The simple fact is that the reference in the Old Testament to "Kingdom of Priests" applies to the Jews only; and the source text is Ex. 19:6. When the culmination of that promise transpires, the two references below show the fulfilment.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]Rev. 1:6.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]And made us a (a)[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]kingdom and priests unto God His Father;[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt] to Him be the glory and the dominion for ever and ever. (b)[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]Amen[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt].[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt](a) This in AV, and in the minds of C. of E., and many other groups is translated [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]kings[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]! [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt] This huge error which leaves Christians thinking that it refers to them in the Millennium is not easily changed. However, the true translation is [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]"kingdom," [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]which means that the future Jewish nation in the Millennial Reign of Christ, will be an established Nation to the promised borders (as opposed to the present oppressed tiny nation) part of which will be Priests to Him, (Rev. 5: 9,10. ) (Rev. 20:4-6.) [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]The offer made by Jehovah to Israel in Exodus 19:4-6 & 8; they accepted, and then[/SIZE] [SIZE=12pt]broke their word.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]However, Jehovah again re-offered in Jer. 31:31-34, [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]which Israel again rejected at Acts 28:28. [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]Messiah- Christ's return will restore Israel, some to the Priestly function, (Isa. 61:6 ,66:21 and 1Peter 2:9,) see also later notes.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]Rev. 5:10[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt](a)And hast made them for our God a kingdom, [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]a priestly kingdom,[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt] and (b)[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]the[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]y[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt] shall reign on the earth.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt](a) This verse clearly shows the eventual function of those redeemed out of the 12 tribes of Israel and [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]perhaps[/SIZE] [SIZE=12pt]as described above from the Gentiles, and those retained at the resurrection and judgement of Israel (Ex. 19:6,) they are to be a kingdom of priests to CHRIST (see 1:6,) (called Overcomers.)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt](b) [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]"They;"[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt] the Authorised Version (A.V.,) states "we," as also does INT. However, on examination of the Greek (Str. No. 936 [935]) refers to "power," or "rule." The "we," or "they," must be deduced from the context, which in this case refers to (V.9) those redeemed from the 12 tribes of Israel. Therefore [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]the word in context certainly should be THEY.[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt] Dr. Bullinger gives "they," J.N. Darby "they," N.I.V. "they," Revised Standard "they," and Moffett "they."[/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]Again, most people are taught that Revelation applies to the ‘church’, and to Christians. However, in the view of the writers and many others, it applies to the Jewish nation, and to the Gentile nations (this can be examined in [/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]www.revelationsmessage.co.uk[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt] ).[/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]What then is the basic thesis of the above comments! In [/SIZE]Ex.19:6[SIZE=14pt], Jehovah God stated that Israel would be “[/SIZE]a kingdom of priests and a holy nation[SIZE=14pt]”, with the proviso that they should obey Him, and keep His Covenant! This was confirmed and elaborated by Peter in 1Peter 2:9, in his letters to the Jews of the Diaspora, approx. AD60. He is here talking to Jews, prior to [/SIZE]Acts 28[SIZE=14pt]. As the [/SIZE]Jewish hierarchy rejected Christ as Messiah at Acts 28:28[SIZE=14pt], the fulfilment of their destiny [/SIZE]as a nation of priests[SIZE=14pt] is in abeyance, until that time that they will accept the proviso of [/SIZE]Ex.19:5[SIZE=14pt]![/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]The description of the yet future priesthood of the Jewish nation is well described in[/SIZE] Isaiah 61:6[SIZE=14pt], and [/SIZE]66:21[SIZE=14pt].[/SIZE]

 

[shturt678]

Good comment DP.M. Floyd.


A Kingdom of Priests unto God


[SIZE=14pt]The common view and teaching on this subject, is that the [/SIZE]Redeemed [SIZE=14pt]of the Lord (Jesus Christ), make up the members of “[/SIZE]the Kingdom and Priests[SIZE=14pt]”. The Redeemed are at present drawn from all nations of the world, and all races, and the only criterion is acceptance of [/SIZE]Jesus Christ’s Sacrificial Death on the Calvary Cross[SIZE=14pt]! That “Kingdom” is the [/SIZE]Millennial Kingdom[SIZE=14pt] and [/SIZE]Reign of Christ Messiah Jesus[SIZE=14pt], and is instigated by Him at [/SIZE]His return to Earth to save His people Israel[SIZE=14pt], [/SIZE]and to judge the Gentile nations[SIZE=14pt].[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]Part of the reason for this understanding and teaching is the [/SIZE]mistranslation[SIZE=14pt] by the 1611 King James Version of the Bible, where various words which should have been translated ‘kingdom’,[/SIZE] were translated[SIZE=14pt] ‘[/SIZE]kings[SIZE=14pt]’![/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]Below are two examples of this error in the first chapter of Revelation.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]The simple fact is that the reference in the Old Testament to "Kingdom of Priests" applies to the Jews only; and the source text is Ex. 19:6. When the culmination of that promise transpires, the two references below show the fulfilment.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]Rev. 1:6.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]And made us a (a)[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]kingdom and priests unto God His Father;[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt] to Him be the glory and the dominion for ever and ever. ( B)[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]Amen[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt].[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt](a) This in AV, and in the minds of C. of E., and many other groups is translated [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]kings[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]! [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt] This huge error which leaves Christians thinking that it refers to them in the Millennium is not easily changed. However, the true translation is [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]"kingdom," [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]which means that the future Jewish nation in the Millennial Reign of Christ, will be an established Nation to the promised borders (as opposed to the present oppressed tiny nation) part of which will be Priests to Him, (Rev. 5: 9,10. ) (Rev. 20:4-6.) [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]The offer made by Jehovah to Israel in Exodus 19:4-6 & 8; they accepted, and then[/SIZE] [SIZE=12pt]broke their word.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]However, Jehovah again re-offered in Jer. 31:31-34, [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]which Israel again rejected at Acts 28:28. [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]Messiah- Christ's return will restore Israel, some to the Priestly function, (Isa. 61:6 ,66:21 and 1Peter 2:9,) see also later notes.[/SIZE]

We are nearing the end of the "Millennial." Rev.1:6: Where Christ is and rules wih His power and His grace there He produces his Kingdom, and this is not just a mass of subjects, but recipients of His Kingdom, partakers of it, children, sons, heirs of God, joint heirs of their King, royal like Himself, all kings, who reign with their King on the earth and shall reign with their King on the earth and shall reign with Him in glory forever.

But do we reign on earth, here where the worldly lord it? Some would say that we do so spiritually; but that's inadequate. The Word of our King reigns; that Word is ours, BY IT WE REIGN WITH OUR KING NOW.

Old Jack


[SIZE=12pt][/SIZE]

Rev. 5:10

[SIZE=12pt](a)And hast made them for our God a kingdom, [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]a priestly kingdom,[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt] and ( B)[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]the[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]y[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt] shall reign on the earth.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt](a) This verse clearly shows the eventual function of those redeemed out of the 12 tribes of Israel and [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]perhaps[/SIZE] [SIZE=12pt]as described above from the Gentiles, and those retained at the resurrection and judgement of Israel (Ex. 19:6,) they are to be a kingdom of priests to CHRIST (see 1:6,) (called Overcomers.)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]( B) [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]"They;"[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt] the Authorised Version (A.V.,) states "we," as also does INT. However, on examination of the Greek (Str. No. 936 [935]) refers to "power," or "rule." The "we," or "they," must be deduced from the context, which in this case refers to (V.9) those redeemed from the 12 tribes of Israel. Therefore [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]the word in context certainly should be THEY.[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt] Dr. Bullinger gives "they," J.N. Darby "they," N.I.V. "they," Revised Standard "they," and Moffett "they."[/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]Again, most people are taught that Revelation applies to the ‘church’, and to Christians. However, in the view of the writers and many others, it applies to the Jewish nation, and to the Gentile nations (this can be examined in [/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]www.revelationsmessage.co.uk[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt] ).[/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]What then is the basic thesis of the above comments! In [/SIZE]Ex.19:6[SIZE=14pt], Jehovah God stated that Israel would be “[/SIZE]a kingdom of priests and a holy nation[SIZE=14pt]”, with the proviso that they should obey Him, and keep His Covenant! This was confirmed and elaborated by Peter in 1Peter 2:9, in his letters to the Jews of the Diaspora, approx. AD60. He is here talking to Jews, prior to [/SIZE]Acts 28[SIZE=14pt]. As the [/SIZE]Jewish hierarchy rejected Christ as Messiah at Acts 28:28[SIZE=14pt], the fulfilment of their destiny [/SIZE]as a nation of priests[SIZE=14pt] is in abeyance, until that time that they will accept the proviso of [/SIZE]Ex.19:5[SIZE=14pt]![/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]The description of the yet future priesthood of the Jewish nation is well described in[/SIZE] Isaiah 61:6[SIZE=14pt], and [/SIZE]66:21[SIZE=14pt].[/SIZE]

 

[Floyd]

But do we reign on earth, here where the worldly lord it? Some would say that we do so spiritually; but that's inadequate. The Word of our King reigns; that Word is ours, BY IT WE REIGN WITH OUR KING NOW.

Old Jack

You didn't tell me you were Jewish Jack!!!!!!?????
Floyd.

 

[kjw47]

But do we reign on earth, here where the worldly lord it? Some would say that we do so spiritually; but that's inadequate. The Word of our King reigns; that Word is ours, BY IT WE REIGN WITH OUR KING NOW.

Old Jack

You didn't tell me you were Jewish Jack!!!!!!?????
Floyd.

The kingdom of priests are only the little flock--the bride of Christ--they have been fully numbered--144,000 bought from the earth by Jesus' blood)rev 14

Thank you for your response and caring again!

Agape these low paygrade issues, ie, Lk.11:21, 22: At the Cross! The tertium in the illustration is the fact that complete defeat must precede the act of plundering - God's Kingdom must have come before the demonics could be liberated as Jesus was liberating them kjw47. A syllogism underlies the illustration and its obvious application to Jesus and Satan. Major premise: Only complete vicory allows plundering at will; minor: Jesus plunders Satan at will; conclusion: Jesus achieved complete victory over Satan. Now what do you think of our Godman Lord Jesus Christ, ie, the ol' rugged Cross.

Old Jack

Cross is a trinity translator error---there is 0 proof in existence of what Jesus died on--except the greek word stauros( in bible) trinity translations say cross---greek says--an upright stake or pole.
Gods kingdom was established in heaven-1914---this occurred--rev 6( this was the start of the war in heaven.