I'll take that as a "no."Very funny. Since God personally officiated at this marriage, looks like you either (a) do not believe God or (b) do not believe the Lord Jesus Christ.
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I'll take that as a "no."Very funny. Since God personally officiated at this marriage, looks like you either (a) do not believe God or (b) do not believe the Lord Jesus Christ.
I thought they were created together.Correct God created Eve to be a partner, a wife to Adam.
Another funny one.CP,,,,you kind of have to learn the difference between when someone is AGREEING with a statement or when someone is just explaining something.
I was explaining what a priest is and how his work is honored before God...even though HE is not. I WAS NOT agreeing that a priest should NOT be holy....priests are called to be holy.
Problem is, they're human just like the rest of us. I don't any human that does not sin.
As to a newer Covenant than the New Covenant...
First you said you knew a new covenant...
then you called it a doctrine.
Two different animals.
So what is the new thing you know (whatever it's called).
How refreshing to hear you say that Giuliano. My thoughts exactly.I suspect only He knows; but I think it's only really done after the two love each other in a way that the Old Testament uses the word "knew."
I don't think God is going to "join" a man who beats his wife or a woman who cheats on her husband. Those may be marriages in the eyes of the government or in a church; and they are even valuable if the two are still trying to love each other better. I couldn't say how or when God does it.
How did he officiate? As far as I can tell he just left them to it and let nature take it's course. Two became one without and human involvement and to me that is still what a marriage should be; a personal commitment between a man and a woman.Since God personally officiated at this marriage
We've obviously read differing accounts.No, marriage as you describe it was an institution already established with God's covenant people (ISRAEL). That is an obvious truth because the RCC did not write the scriptures they received them from the Jews. Israel set the standard , no one else.
It was an agreement between two people - man and woman - to be joined together without the involvement of a third party.How could marriage be a *civil contract* when God instituted marriage (Genesis 2)? If Christians can't be clear about this, how do you expect the heathen to understand? Even Christ pointed to Genesis 2 as the foundation of marriage, and He did not distinguish between the saved and the unsaved in this matter.
I believe "Abba" means "Father" in Aramaic, the language Jesus spoke.What is Abba, what's it mean?
"Abba" is the affectionate term for father in Hebrew.What is Abba, what's it mean?
Obviously you do not have the Christian understanding of marriage. I would have expected that kind of remark from a heathen (and even heathens have priests involved).It was an agreement between two people - man and woman - to be joined together without the involvement of a third party.
Hebrew?"Abba" is the affectionate term for father in Hebrew.
You're better than everybody else, aren't you?However, if Pope Francis knew his Bible, he would understand that "the Light" and "the Creator" apply to Jesus, not the Father.
There you go again!Obviously you do not have the Christian understanding of marriage. I would have expected that kind of remark from a heathen (and even heathens have priests involved).
This is also for @GiulianoObviously you do not have the Christian understanding of marriage. I would have expected that kind of remark from a heathen (and even heathens have priests involved).
Actually, Adam was created first, and then Eve.I thought they were created together.
Genesis 5:2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.
So when they become one flesh are they male or female?Actually, Adam was created first, and then Eve.
Genesis 2:18
The above just refers to the fact that there is a male and female.
In my estimations this is critical to understanding Christ.So when they become one flesh are they male or female?
Yes, they still retain that bit of real tradition that goes back to the pre-Christian era; but then they "add" to it, saying it's not a valid marriage in their eyes without the priest being present to bless it.This is also for @Giuliano
Did you know that in the CC, which does happen to be the first church, when there is a wedding ceremony, the two persons are establishing the relationship between themselves...God is acting as a witness.
CCC no. 1623
1623 According to Latin tradition, the spouses as ministers of Christ's grace mutually confer upon each other the sacrament of Matrimony by expressing their consent before the Church. In the tradition of the Eastern Churches, the priests (bishops or presbyters) are witnesses to the mutual consent given by the spouses, but for the validity of the sacrament their blessing is also necessary.
It was when they appointed themselves vicarious.Yes, they still retain that bit of real tradition that goes back to the pre-Christian era; but then they "add" to it, saying it's not a valid marriage in their eyes without the priest being present to bless it.
Section 1210 is what really makes me scratch my head.
1210 Christ instituted the sacraments of the new law. There are seven: Baptism, Confirmation (or Chrismation), the Eucharist, Penance, the Anointing of the Sick, Holy Orders and Matrimony. The seven sacraments touch all the stages and all the important moments of Christian life:1 they give birth and increase, healing and mission to the Christian's life of faith. There is thus a certain resemblance between the stages of natural life and the stages of the spiritual life.
That is so odd since people didn't get married in churches for centuries and centuries of Christian history. I think the Council of Trent is when it was officially proclaimed a sacrament. Apparently the Catholic Church sees the marriages of non-Catholics as inferior to marriages conducted by priests inside churches. They don't believe people were married before Jesus instituted the sacrament of matrimony? They do, but somehow the "sacrament of matrimony" is superior to "ordinary marriage." If it is a sacrament that bestows grace in a way that ordinary marriage doesn't, why did it take so long to make it official if Jesus had instituted it centuries before?
Did Jesus tell Peter his marriage was inferior? Did Jesus bless the marriage of Peter and his wife to make it into matrimony?
I'm also left wondering how and when Jesus instituted holy orders. How the Catholic theologians can make things complicated.