Why does Israel still reject Jesus as Messiah?
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God has given us the answer in the Bible. Kindly read and study Romans chapters 9 through 11. Also 2 Corinthians 3.
14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail [veil] untaken away in the reading of the Old Testament; which vail [veil] is done away in Christ. 15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail [veil] is upon their heart. 16 Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail [veil] shall be taken away.
Israel (as a whole) has been judicially blinded "in part" by God for their rejection of the Lord Jesus Christ. But many Jews are being saved today in spite of that.
DoveSpirit05
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They got the coming of Christ back to front, they fort he was coming as a king on a horse 1st but the word say's he would come as a suffering servant 1st, it say's it in Isiah 53. Here's a bible study on it. gives the whole break down on it by David Pawson
Pride, a hard heart and the continuation of their idolatrous worship, even today after a round 2,000 years of the visitation of their iniquities on their children and their children's children. Ex_20:4-6.
The rejection and crucifixion of Christ had no part in the visitation of their iniquities on their children during the next two ages/days of the lord. Only their idolatrous behaviour cause the visitation of this iniquities.
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Hidden In Him
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If you were looking for doctrinal reasons (which I'm assuming you were), I found this:
"Rabbis, religious leaders and religious followers will respond to this question that Jesus cannot be the Messiah because he did not fulfill the job requirements. 'Judaism does not believe that Jesus was the Messiah because He did not fulfill any messianic prophecies. "Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, nor shall they learn war anymore" (Isaiah 2:4).' Far from establishing world peace, Jesus himself said he came to divide 'father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother' (Luke 12:53, ESV). In fact, there has been more bloodshed in the name of Jesus rather than peace. How can anyone argue that Jesus is the promised Messiah according to the Jewish Scriptures?"
Hidden In Him
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Hidden In Him
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LoL! They're Cessationists! Which means this particular group of Jews have practically NO hope of believing in their true Messiah. My, my, how faithlessness in the God of All Power and Might can be destructive to the human soul....
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2) Jesus Did Not Embody the Personal Qualifications of Messiah
A. Messiah as Prophet
The Messiah will become the greatest prophet in history, second only to Moses. (Targum – Isaiah 11:2; Maimonides – Teshuva 9:2)
Prophecy can only exist in Israel when the land is inhabited by a majority of world Jewry, a situation which has not existed since 300 BCE. During the time of Ezra, when the majority of Jews remained in Babylon, prophecy ended upon the death of the last prophets – Haggai, Zechariah and Malachi.
Jesus appeared on the scene approximately 350 years after prophecy had ended, and thus could not be a prophet.
Hidden In Him
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That's just amazing to me. He prophesied their own destruction at the hands of the Romans, not once but several times, and yet He was "not a prophet" because the prophets ended with Malachi. The power of the Devil to deceive is utterly amazing.
Hidden In Him
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They are citing the Targum and Maimonides; Jewish tradition. Moses was the end-all and be-all of Judaism even during NT times, so little has changed in their opinions.
Hidden In Him
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Man, Oh man. Taking another second to read through some more of this, and it reads just like modern faithless Christianity; illogical, faithless, and poorly reasoned out:
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(4) Jewish Belief is Based Solely on National Revelation
Throughout history, thousands of religions have been started by individuals, attempting to convince people that he or she is God's true prophet. But personal revelation is an extremely weak basis for a religion because one can never know if it is indeed true. Since others did not hear God speak to this person, they have to take his word for it. Even if the individual claiming personal revelation performs miracles, they do not prove he is a genuine prophet... Of the thousands of religions in human history, only Judaism bases its belief on national revelation – i.e. God speaking to the entire nation. If God is going to start a religion, it makes sense He'll tell everyone, not just one person.
Maimonides states (Foundations of Torah, ch. 8):
The Jews did not believe in Moses, our teacher, because of the miracles he performed. Whenever anyone's belief is based on seeing miracles, he has lingering doubts, because it is possible the miracles were performed through magic or sorcery. All of the miracles performed by Moses in the desert were because they were necessary, and not as proof of his prophecy.
What then was the basis of [Jewish] belief? The Revelation at Mount Sinai, which we saw with our own eyes and heard with our own ears, not dependent on the testimony of others... as it says, "Face to face, God spoke with you..." The Torah also states: "God did not make this covenant with our fathers, but with us – who are all here alive today." (Deut. 5:3)
Judaism is not miracles. It is the personal eyewitness experience of every man, woman and child, standing at Mount Sinai 3,300 years ago.
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Get that! The "basis of Jewish belief [is] the Revelation at Mount Sinai, which we saw with our own eyes and heard with our own ears." As if no one other than Jesus alone saw Him do miracles!
And what happened at Mt.Sinai? God displayed himself in more supernatural power than at any time in human history, LoL.
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(4) Jewish Belief is Based Solely on National Revelation
Throughout history, thousands of religions have been started by individuals, attempting to convince people that he or she is God's true prophet. But personal revelation is an extremely weak basis for a religion because one can never know if it is indeed true. Since others did not hear God speak to this person, they have to take his word for it. Even if the individual claiming personal revelation performs miracles, they do not prove he is a genuine prophet... Of the thousands of religions in human history, only Judaism bases its belief on national revelation – i.e. God speaking to the entire nation. If God is going to start a religion, it makes sense He'll tell everyone, not just one person.
Maimonides states (Foundations of Torah, ch. 8):
The Jews did not believe in Moses, our teacher, because of the miracles he performed. Whenever anyone's belief is based on seeing miracles, he has lingering doubts, because it is possible the miracles were performed through magic or sorcery. All of the miracles performed by Moses in the desert were because they were necessary, and not as proof of his prophecy.
What then was the basis of [Jewish] belief? The Revelation at Mount Sinai, which we saw with our own eyes and heard with our own ears, not dependent on the testimony of others... as it says, "Face to face, God spoke with you..." The Torah also states: "God did not make this covenant with our fathers, but with us – who are all here alive today." (Deut. 5:3)
Judaism is not miracles. It is the personal eyewitness experience of every man, woman and child, standing at Mount Sinai 3,300 years ago.
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Get that! The "basis of Jewish belief [is] the Revelation at Mount Sinai, which we saw with our own eyes and heard with our own ears." As if no one other than Jesus alone saw Him do miracles!
And what happened at Mt.Sinai? God displayed himself in more supernatural power than at any time in human history, LoL.
DoveSpirit05
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You make some good points but we still need our sins washed clean, we can't do that by lamb sacrifice over and over again!! God said in the garden of eden the son of man would bruse the serpant.
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Israel never did reject Jesus Christ at all.
Who do you all think Nathanael was ?
Not to mention Jesus disciples they were all true Israelites in fact, that Holy Moses was pointing out that would know who he was, because they abide in Holy Moses believing in him, so that they will believe in the Christ Jesus who was to come.
So the Jews who did not follow in Holy Moses are not truly Israel (Servants of God) the same is with todays Jews, they do not look to Holy Moses, for if they did they would understand. sadly they are controlled by the Golden Calf mob that is called the Talmud now, but not all Jews are that stupid as about 10% of truly devout OT Jews do know that the Talmud is a whore and say that the Talmud Zionist do not represent them at all, as they are disgusted in them and see them as the Nazis that they truly are.
True Christianity is Israel (Servants of God) in fact and only a Satanist would reject this fact that has always been preached in the church, or who the hell do you think Christianity is ? not the Servants of God ? who do Christians serve ? who is the Christ ? do they understand who Jesus is ? if they don't know all this, then they are in fact Anti-Christ.
If one truly serves the Lord Jesus they are Israel (Servants of God)
If one is looking to the Jews nowadays, such a one has turned their back on our Lord and Saviour and are condemned Anti-Christ in fact because they do not truly believe in him and are looking to another.
Who do you all think Nathanael was ?
Not to mention Jesus disciples they were all true Israelites in fact, that Holy Moses was pointing out that would know who he was, because they abide in Holy Moses believing in him, so that they will believe in the Christ Jesus who was to come.
So the Jews who did not follow in Holy Moses are not truly Israel (Servants of God) the same is with todays Jews, they do not look to Holy Moses, for if they did they would understand. sadly they are controlled by the Golden Calf mob that is called the Talmud now, but not all Jews are that stupid as about 10% of truly devout OT Jews do know that the Talmud is a whore and say that the Talmud Zionist do not represent them at all, as they are disgusted in them and see them as the Nazis that they truly are.
True Christianity is Israel (Servants of God) in fact and only a Satanist would reject this fact that has always been preached in the church, or who the hell do you think Christianity is ? not the Servants of God ? who do Christians serve ? who is the Christ ? do they understand who Jesus is ? if they don't know all this, then they are in fact Anti-Christ.
If one truly serves the Lord Jesus they are Israel (Servants of God)
If one is looking to the Jews nowadays, such a one has turned their back on our Lord and Saviour and are condemned Anti-Christ in fact because they do not truly believe in him and are looking to another.
One of the problems is that they have been misled by their rabbis. According to at least one of the ancient targums (translations of Torah from Hebrew to Aramaic and commentary on it), there would be TWO Messiahs, (Messiah Ben Joseph--the suffering servant/lamb of God and Messiah Ben David--the conquering king) not, as we know it, One, who visited twice--the first time as the suffering servant and the second time as the conquering king. The Jews of Jesus' day had no use for the "Suffering Servant" of Isaiah 53. They wanted the "Conquering King" who would defeat the Romans with the help of God, set up the promised Kingdom, and rule the earth from Jerusalem. After the destruction of the Temple and of Jerusalem by the Romans in 70 A.D., the rabbis had to scramble to explain what was happening to their disillusioned people. Many were asking if Jesus/Yeshuah really WAS the Messiah and many were leaving rabbinic Judaism for what was then an alternate sect of Judaism, becoming followers of Jesus. Without the Temple, the people could not fulfill their religious obligations. Under the Messiah Yeshua, Temple obligations were no longer necessary, because He was the once-for-all-time Lamb of God. The rabbis said that now that the Temple was gone, the "prayers of the people" sufficed as the sacrifice. There is nothing in the Tanakh that suggests such a thing would be acceptable to God.
The rabbis have not altered the Tanakh--that would never be permitted. What they did do (and they are still doing today) is altering their interpretation of the Scriptures. Thus, Isaiah 7:14 which speaks of it being a "sign" that a "virgin" would give birth, and call him Immanuel ("God with us") the rabbis changed the interpretation to a "chaste married woman" so that they could say that Isaiah was speaking of his wife. The Hebrew word for virgin is almah which is the word used in the Hebrew text. The Hebrew word for a chaste married woman is beulah and it is NOT in the Hebrew text and why would a "beulah" be a sign anyway? In ancient Israel, all married women were expected to be chaste--why would Isaiah's wife be any different from myriads of others? In a similar way, they interpreted Isaiah 53 as referring to Israel which was the "suffering servant." But they ignore passages which clearly apply to Jesus as the Lamb of God.
But, the veil is beginning to be lifted. There are now an estimated 250,000 Messianic Jews in Israel today and their numbers are rising rapidly--so much so that they have been promised representation in the Israeli Knesset in the near future.
Hidden In Him
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Yes. The Essenes believed this, and they were contemporaries with Christ.
It would be an interesting thread to post that article and ask how others would counter it. I just didn't really have the time or energy atm.
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