Why It's DISHONEST To Claim The Sabbath Commandment Isn't Found In The NT

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Hobie

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These folks who are absolutely obsessed with the sabbath and relentlessly push sabbath keeping as a 'legalistic prescription' for salvation on Christians just cannot seem to get it through their heads that sabbath keeping with all its rules and regulations, was part of a covenant with Israel (Exodus 16:23, 29; 31:12-18; 35:1-3; Leviticus 19:30; 23:2-3, 32; Numbers 15:32-36; 28:1-10; 29:39-40; I Chronicles. 23:30-31; II Chronicles 31:2-4; Isaiah 1:13; Amos 8:5; Nehemiah 10:31) that is not binding on the Church/Christians under the new covenant. (Colossians 2:16-17)

These folks still have not found their 'sabbatismos' (word found nowhere else in the Bible) rest in Christ (Hebrews 4:9) in contrast with trying to find their rest in keeping the weekly sabbath day under the law. (Exodus 31:16-17; 35:1-3; Deuteronomy 5:15)

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Seventh-day Adventists even teach that the near the end of time the "mark of the best" of Revelation 14 will be placed upon those who worship on Sunday instead of Saturday. o_O

Well, when the Creator comes, do you want to be the one that rejected the gift He made for man, or the one that accepted it.
 

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IN THE KJV, Paul instructs believers in Hebrews 3:11-4:11 on the topic of "spiritual rest". He uses the word "rest" 11 times, and in each case the word is translated from the Greek "kataposis" which means "spiritual rest" - except in the case of verse 9 where it's translated from "Sabbatismos" which clearly refers to the Sabbath and to the "literal rest" of the weekly, seventh day Sabbath which he tells us "remains" for the saints to observe:

[9] There remaineth therefore a rest ("Sabbatismos") to the people of God.

IN THE PESHITTA (the Bible of Ancient Eastern MSS that is the closest to the Textus Receptus KJV), verse 9 also has "rest" translated from that which refers to the Sabbath, but the entire verse it translated even more forcefully than the KJV:

[9] "It is therefore the duty of the people of God to keep the Sabbath."

The word "duty" is absolutely an accurate translation - because while the Syriac word "qym" indeed means "remains" as seen in the KJV, it also means "valid" which is defined as "legally binding (contract) due to having been executed in compliance with the law" - which is why it's as much the "duty" of New Covenant (New "Contract") saints to keep the Sabbath commandment as it is for us to keep the other 9 commandments: because it's God's law.

Unfortunately, there are "Christians" who despise God's law for the same reason a swinging bachelor despises marital vows, and they refuse to acknowledge the relevance of the Peshitta or the distinction between "kataposis" and "Sabbatismos" and insist "Sabbatismos" merely refers to the same "spiritual rest in Jesus" Paul refers to in these other verses. This is the height of hermeneutical skulduggery and stubborn ignorance.

HOW CAN "SPIRITUAL REST" BE SOMETHING THAT "REMAINS" FOR THE "PEOPLE OF GOD" TO ENTER INTO, OR BE A "DUTY" FOR THEM TO FULFILL WHEN THE SAINTS - BY DEFINITION, DEFAULT, NATURE AND DISPOSITION, ETC. - ARE THOSE WHO'VE ALREADY ENTERED SPIRITUAL REST?

Therefore, even a blind man can see clearly that the only "rest" that "remains" as a "duty" for the saints to enter into is the "literal rest" of the weekly Sabbath commandment...but, will everyone jump on the bandwagon to fulfill their yet unfulfilled duty and enter into the only rest that remains before them? Will they admit that Hebrews 4:9-10 KJV plainly says it's our duty to keep the Sabbath because those who rest inwardly in Jesus are to demonstrate that by resting outwardly every Sabbath day from our work "as God from His"?

No. Most people will never completely surrender to God. They'll only presumptuously attempt to bargain with Him over the terms of their surrender when the only thing they can bring to the bargaining table is a lost soul. Moody said it best:

"You want power in your Christian life, do you? You want Holy Ghost power? You want the dew of heaven on your brow? You want to see men convicted and converted? I don't believe we shall have genuine conversions until we get straight on this (Sabbath) law of God". - D. L. Moody, On the Ten Commandments, pp. 58
Well if you read the context carefully ( which is required) you would know the passage is speaking of Israel entering the rpomised land, not keeping saturday as a day of rest.

And the KJV as well as all other translations and all MSS that are available online have Remains or which is apoleipo which means to leave behind, which is exactly what Israel did.

Believers have entered into gods eternal rest from works as a means to please God.

Don't know where you got gym as remains for here is the Syriac words for remains:

And valid is not translated as you say.

valid
ˈva-ləd
ADJECTIVE
  1. having legal efficacy or forceexecuted with the proper legal authority and formalities
  2. well-grounded or justifiable : being at once relevant and meaningful
    logically correct
  3. appropriate to the end in view : effective

It does not even hint of one having a duty. It simply means something is genuine and legal.

Also we know from history and manuscript evidence the New Testament wasd first written in Greek. Peshitta was a translation from teh greek by a small sect. It is never wise to formulate a doctrine from a translation of a translation (English from Syriac from Greek)
 

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Well if you read the context carefully ( which is required) you would know the passage is speaking of Israel entering the rpomised land, not keeping saturday as a day of rest.

And the KJV as well as all other translations and all MSS that are available online have Remains or which is apoleipo which means to leave behind, which is exactly what Israel did.

Believers have entered into gods eternal rest from works as a means to please God.

Don't know where you got gym as remains for here is the Syriac words for remains:

And valid is not translated as you say.

valid
ˈva-ləd
ADJECTIVE
  1. having legal efficacy or forceexecuted with the proper legal authority and formalities
  2. well-grounded or justifiable : being at once relevant and meaningful
    logically correct
  3. appropriate to the end in view : effective

It does not even hint of one having a duty. It simply means something is genuine and legal.

Also we know from history and manuscript evidence the New Testament wasd first written in Greek. Peshitta was a translation from teh greek by a small sect. It is never wise to formulate a doctrine from a translation of a translation (English from Syriac from Greek)
I have read the passage carefully, and discovered this:

Verses 1 through 11 translate the word "rest" from the Greek "kataposis" in every case - except in the case of verse 9 where "rest" is translated from "SABBATISMOS".

Yes, "kataposis" definitely refers to the "spiritual rest" God wanted Israel (and us) to enter - but "SABBATISMOS" absolutely refers to the Sabbath commandment that remains for God's people - the church - to observe, which is why Lamsa correctly translates the verse:

"It is therefore the duty of the people of God to keep the Sabbath".
 

Phoneman777

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That covenant was never with the Gentiles.

Much love!
Correct, which means if we're going to be "New Covenant Christians" we're going to have to become "spiritual Jews" ---- how?

"And as many as walk by this rule (the rule of the new creature in Christ Jesus by faith), peach upon them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God".

The "Israel of God" is the church to whom "all the promises of the fathers are yea in Him and amen in Him".

Shalom, my Israelite bro!