Why It's DISHONEST To Claim The Sabbath Commandment Isn't Found In The NT

[Hobie]

These folks who are absolutely obsessed with the sabbath and relentlessly push sabbath keeping as a 'legalistic prescription' for salvation on Christians just cannot seem to get it through their heads that sabbath keeping with all its rules and regulations, was part of a covenant with Israel (Exodus 16:23, 29; 31:12-18; 35:1-3; Leviticus 19:30; 23:2-3, 32; Numbers 15:32-36; 28:1-10; 29:39-40; I Chronicles. 23:30-31; II Chronicles 31:2-4; Isaiah 1:13; Amos 8:5; Nehemiah 10:31) that is not binding on the Church/Christians under the new covenant. (Colossians 2:16-17)

These folks still have not found their 'sabbatismos' (word found nowhere else in the Bible) rest in Christ (Hebrews 4:9) in contrast with trying to find their rest in keeping the weekly sabbath day under the law. (Exodus 31:16-17; 35:1-3; Deuteronomy 5:15)

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Seventh-day Adventists even teach that the near the end of time the "mark of the best" of Revelation 14 will be placed upon those who worship on Sunday instead of Saturday.

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Well, when the Creator comes, do you want to be the one that rejected the gift He made for man, or the one that accepted it.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

IN THE KJV, Paul instructs believers in Hebrews 3:11-4:11 on the topic of "spiritual rest". He uses the word "rest" 11 times, and in each case the word is translated from the Greek "kataposis" which means "spiritual rest" - except in the case of verse 9 where it's translated from "Sabbatismos" which clearly refers to the Sabbath and to the "literal rest" of the weekly, seventh day Sabbath which he tells us "remains" for the saints to observe:

[9] There remaineth therefore a rest ("Sabbatismos") to the people of God.​

IN THE PESHITTA (the Bible of Ancient Eastern MSS that is the closest to the Textus Receptus KJV), verse 9 also has "rest" translated from that which refers to the Sabbath, but the entire verse it translated even more forcefully than the KJV:

[9] "It is therefore the duty of the people of God to keep the Sabbath."​

The word "duty" is absolutely an accurate translation - because while the Syriac word "qym" indeed means "remains" as seen in the KJV, it also means "valid" which is defined as "legally binding (contract) due to having been executed in compliance with the law" - which is why it's as much the "duty" of New Covenant (New "Contract") saints to keep the Sabbath commandment as it is for us to keep the other 9 commandments: because it's God's law.

Unfortunately, there are "Christians" who despise God's law for the same reason a swinging bachelor despises marital vows, and they refuse to acknowledge the relevance of the Peshitta or the distinction between "kataposis" and "Sabbatismos" and insist "Sabbatismos" merely refers to the same "spiritual rest in Jesus" Paul refers to in these other verses. This is the height of hermeneutical skulduggery and stubborn ignorance.

HOW CAN "SPIRITUAL REST" BE SOMETHING THAT "REMAINS" FOR THE "PEOPLE OF GOD" TO ENTER INTO, OR BE A "DUTY" FOR THEM TO FULFILL WHEN THE SAINTS - BY DEFINITION, DEFAULT, NATURE AND DISPOSITION, ETC. - ARE THOSE WHO'VE ALREADY ENTERED SPIRITUAL REST?

Therefore, even a blind man can see clearly that the only "rest" that "remains" as a "duty" for the saints to enter into is the "literal rest" of the weekly Sabbath commandment...but, will everyone jump on the bandwagon to fulfill their yet unfulfilled duty and enter into the only rest that remains before them? Will they admit that Hebrews 4:9-10 KJV plainly says it's our duty to keep the Sabbath because those who rest inwardly in Jesus are to demonstrate that by resting outwardly every Sabbath day from our work "as God from His"?

No. Most people will never completely surrender to God. They'll only presumptuously attempt to bargain with Him over the terms of their surrender when the only thing they can bring to the bargaining table is a lost soul. Moody said it best:

"You want power in your Christian life, do you? You want Holy Ghost power? You want the dew of heaven on your brow? You want to see men convicted and converted? I don't believe we shall have genuine conversions until we get straight on this (Sabbath) law of God". - D. L. Moody, On the Ten Commandments, pp. 58​

Well if you read the context carefully ( which is required) you would know the passage is speaking of Israel entering the rpomised land, not keeping saturday as a day of rest.

And the KJV as well as all other translations and all MSS that are available online have Remains or which is apoleipo which means to leave behind, which is exactly what Israel did.

Believers have entered into gods eternal rest from works as a means to please God.

Don't know where you got gym as remains for here is the Syriac words for remains:

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And valid is not translated as you say.

valid
ˈva-ləd
ADJECTIVE

1. having legal efficacy or forceexecuted with the proper legal authority and formalities
2. well-grounded or justifiable : being at once relevant and meaningful
   logically correct
3. appropriate to the end in view : effective

It does not even hint of one having a duty. It simply means something is genuine and legal.

Also we know from history and manuscript evidence the New Testament wasd first written in Greek. Peshitta was a translation from teh greek by a small sect. It is never wise to formulate a doctrine from a translation of a translation (English from Syriac from Greek)

 

[marks]

Then why argue that entering into "spiritual rest" abolishes the 4th commandment?

That covenant was never with the Gentiles.

Much love!

 

[Phoneman777]

Well if you read the context carefully ( which is required) you would know the passage is speaking of Israel entering the rpomised land, not keeping saturday as a day of rest.

And the KJV as well as all other translations and all MSS that are available online have Remains or which is apoleipo which means to leave behind, which is exactly what Israel did.

Believers have entered into gods eternal rest from works as a means to please God.

Don't know where you got gym as remains for here is the Syriac words for remains:

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And valid is not translated as you say.

valid
ˈva-ləd
ADJECTIVE

1. having legal efficacy or forceexecuted with the proper legal authority and formalities
2. well-grounded or justifiable : being at once relevant and meaningful
   logically correct
3. appropriate to the end in view : effective

It does not even hint of one having a duty. It simply means something is genuine and legal.

Also we know from history and manuscript evidence the New Testament wasd first written in Greek. Peshitta was a translation from teh greek by a small sect. It is never wise to formulate a doctrine from a translation of a translation (English from Syriac from Greek)

I have read the passage carefully, and discovered this:

Verses 1 through 11 translate the word "rest" from the Greek "kataposis" in every case - except in the case of verse 9 where "rest" is translated from "SABBATISMOS".

Yes, "kataposis" definitely refers to the "spiritual rest" God wanted Israel (and us) to enter - but "SABBATISMOS" absolutely refers to the Sabbath commandment that remains for God's people - the church - to observe, which is why Lamsa correctly translates the verse:

"It is therefore the duty of the people of God to keep the Sabbath".

 

[Phoneman777]

That covenant was never with the Gentiles.

Much love!

Correct, which means if we're going to be "New Covenant Christians" we're going to have to become "spiritual Jews" ---- how?

"And as many as walk by this rule (the rule of the new creature in Christ Jesus by faith), peach upon them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God".

The "Israel of God" is the church to whom "all the promises of the fathers are yea in Him and amen in Him".

Shalom, my Israelite bro!

 

[doctrox]

Believers have entered into gods eternal rest from works as a means to please God.

Amen.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

I have read the passage carefully, and discovered this:

Verses 1 through 11 translate the word "rest" from the Greek "kataposis" in every case - except in the case of verse 9 where "rest" is translated from "SABBATISMOS".

Yes, "kataposis" definitely refers to the "spiritual rest" God wanted Israel (and us) to enter - but "SABBATISMOS" absolutely refers to the Sabbath commandment that remains for God's people - the church - to observe, which is why Lamsa correctly translates the verse:

"It is therefore the duty of the people of God to keep the Sabbath".

Well Sabbatismos refers to a ceasing from labor as on the Sabbath and yes there remains a Sabbatismos for Christians, for we have not ceased from our labors as God did from His after the creation week.

If God wished for us to observe the Sabbath Day He would have inspired tro be written the word "Sabbaton" which is the Sabbath day and not "Sabbatismos" which means a ceasing from labor on a Sabbath.

So you are wrong.

 

[Phoneman777]

If God wished for us to observe the Sabbath Day He would have inspired tro be written the word "Sabbaton" which is the Sabbath day and not "Sabbatismos" which means a ceasing from labor on a Sabbath.

So you are wrong.

Just as "school work" is performed on a "school day", so "Sabbath rest" is observed on the "Sabbath day", right or wrong?

How can "Sabbath day rest" remain for us apart from the "Sabbath day"?

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Just as "school work" is performed on a "school day", so "Sabbath rest" is observed on the "Sabbath day", right or wrong?

How can "Sabbath day rest" remain for us apart from the "Sabbath day"?

You use a faulty example. School work can be performed on vacation. And Sabbaton is the Sabbath Day while Sabbatismos is the rest that occurs. Israel had one day a week for Sabbath, believers are now entered into Gods rest! Which is everyday!

Heb 4:5
And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.

We enter into His rest. All days are now "Sabbaton" where we enjoy "Sabbatismos"

 

[Phoneman777]

You use a faulty example. School work can be performed on vacation.

That's called "homework".

And Sabbaton is the Sabbath Day while Sabbatismos is the rest that occurs. Israel had one day a week for Sabbath, believers are now entered into Gods rest! Which is everyday!

Heb 4:5
And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.

We enter into His rest. All days are now "Sabbaton" where we enjoy "Sabbatismos"

There's only one problem with your logic: context. Verse 10 says the "Sabbatismos" that remains for us is the same kind of rest as the rest God took at the end of Creation Week:

"...he also hath ceased from his own work AS GOD DID FROM HIS".

Again, "kataposis" is used throughout verses 1-12 to indicate "spiritual rest" - with the exception of verse 9 where "Sabbatismos" refers to the literal rest on the Sabbath day from literal work "as God did from His".

Essentially, 9 and 10 are saying if the Christian is indeed spiritualy resting inwardly in Christ, he will demonstrate that be literally resting outwardly from his literal work "as God did from His".

 

[Ronald Nolette]

That's called "homework".

There's only one problem with your logic: context. Verse 10 says the "Sabbatismos" that remains for us is the same kind of rest as the rest God took at the end of Creation Week:

"...he also hath ceased from his own work AS GOD DID FROM HIS".

Again, "kataposis" is used throughout verses 1-12 to indicate "spiritual rest" - with the exception of verse 9 where "Sabbatismos" refers to the literal rest on the Sabbath day from literal work "as God did from His".

Essentially, 9 and 10 are saying if the Christian is indeed spiritualy resting inwardly in Christ, he will demonstrate that be literally resting outwardly from his literal work "as God did from His".

Well you may call it essentially but the bible doesn't

You are hung up on the fact that a derivative of Sabbath is used. Sabbatismos means the act of resting, not keeping a Day. Keeping a day is sabbaton. That is what the bible teaches, we have no special day. Israel does as a covenant betwweeen god and them, the church has no command for a Sabbaton.

 

[Phoneman777]

Well you may call it essentially but the bible doesn't

You are hung up on the fact that a derivative of Sabbath is used. Sabbatismos means the act of resting, not keeping a Day. Keeping a day is sabbaton. That is what the bible teaches, we have no special day. Israel does as a covenant betwweeen god and them, the church has no command for a Sabbaton.

We agree that the literal rest of the Sabbath day was symbolic for the spiritual rest in Jesus.

You're attempting to blur the line between the symbolism (spiritual rest) and the substance (literal Sabbath day rest). Since you correctly conclude that "Sabbatismos" refers to "rest of the Sabbath day" - all that remains is to answer one question: what kind of rest was taken on the Sabbath day?

Literal rest. That's why the Peshitta says "It is the duty of the people of God to keep the Sabbath".

 

[Ronald Nolette]

We agree that the literal rest of the Sabbath day was symbolic for the spiritual rest in Jesus.

You're attempting to blur the line between the symbolism (spiritual rest) and the substance (literal Sabbath day rest). Since you correctly conclude that "Sabbatismos" refers to "rest of the Sabbath day" - all that remains is to answer one question: what kind of rest was taken on the Sabbath day?

Literal rest. That's why the Peshitta says "It is the duty of the people of God to keep the Sabbath".

No I did not say it is a rest on a specific day. Rest on a specific day is Sabbaton which refers to the day. Sabbatismos means to have a Sabbath rest which is now an eternal rest not just Saturday.

 

[Phoneman777]

No I did not say it is a rest on a specific day. Rest on a specific day is Sabbaton which refers to the day. Sabbatismos means to have a Sabbath rest which is now an eternal rest not just Saturday.

You admitted that "Sabbatismos" means "the rest of the Sabbath" which, by the way, is "literal" rest. But, then claimed the literal rest vanishes away for those who take "rest in Christ" much like the OT lamb "shadow" vanished away when the Lamb of God "substance" was sacrificed.

Only one problem with this logic: the Sabbath isn't a "shadow" of anything - it was created when there were no shadows, before the darkness of sin entered, when all was light. The Sabbath is actually a memorial established on the 7th day to commemorate the previous 6 days of Creation in the past - not a "shadow of things to come" in the future.

Therefore, "Sabbatismos" of Hebrews 4:9-10 KJV can't be referring to any "shadow" rest, but literal Sabbath rest from our work "as God did from His" - the passage is simply saying this:

If we're resting inwardly in Jesus, we will demonstrate that by outward literal rest every Sabbath day from our work "as God did from His".​

 

[Ronald Nolette]

You admitted that "Sabbatismos" means "the rest of the Sabbath" which, by the way, is "literal" rest. But, then claimed the literal rest vanishes away for those who take "rest in Christ" much like the OT lamb "shadow" vanished away when the Lamb of God "substance" was sacrificed.

Only one problem with this logic: the Sabbath isn't a "shadow" of anything - it was created when there were no shadows, before the darkness of sin entered, when all was light. The Sabbath is actually a memorial established on the 7th day to commemorate the previous 6 days of Creation in the past - not a "shadow of things to come" in the future.

Therefore, "Sabbatismos" of Hebrews 4:9-10 KJV can't be referring to any "shadow" rest, but literal Sabbath rest from our work "as God did from His" - the passage is simply saying this:

If we're resting inwardly in Jesus, we will demonstrate that by outward literal rest every Sabbath day from our work "as God did from His".​

Do you think god is now just sitting on His throne and twiddling His thumbs or is still doing stuff?

Genesis 2

King James Version

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2 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

The Sabbath is a covenant between god and Israel- not the church!

Ezekiel 20:12

King James Version

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12 Moreover also I gave them my sabbaths, to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I am the Lord that sanctify them.

Sabbatismos is what is done. Resting. Sabbaton is a day- the seventh day.

We have entered into Gods Sabbatismos.

also once again to remind you- the peshitta duty is a false translation of the greek.

We still labor for the kingdom while on earth and we will fully enter into the full Sabbatismos when we go hoime.

 

[Phoneman777]

Do you think god is now just sitting on His throne and twiddling His thumbs or is still doing stuff?

Did God take literal rest from literal work on the 7th day?

The Sabbath is a covenant between god and Israel- not the church!​

The "Israel of God" are them who "walk by this rule" of the "new creature in Christ" - not those upon whom God's "wrath has come".

Sabbatismos is what is done. Resting. Sabbaton is a day- the seventh day.

Let's try the Socratic Method:

Question: What kind of rest is "Sabbatismos"?
Answer: Literal rest from one's work "as God did from His".

Question: When is "Sabbatismos" rest taken?
Answer: The Sabbath day of the Fourth Commandment.

Question: Can "Sabbatismos" be taken on any other day?
Answer: No, because "Sabbatismos" refers to the literal rest of the Sabbath day.

Question: Is literal Sabbath rest a "shadow" of spiritual rest in Christ?
Answer: No - it was created before shadows when all was light. It's a memorial to God's creative power.

Question: Can "Sabbatismos" exist without the Sabbath?
Answer: No, because you can't have literal Sabbath rest without the literal Sabbath day.

We have entered into Gods Sabbatismos.

The only way to enter "Sabbatismos" is to literally rest from your work on the Sabbath day "as God did from His".

also once again to remind you- the peshitta duty is a false translation of the greek.

Nah, what's false is that ridiculous Critical Text, and if you'd like to know why, Youtube "Battle of the Bibles" by Veith.

We still labor for the kingdom while on earth and we will fully enter into the full Sabbatismos when we go hoime.

You're trying to rob "Sabbatismos" from the Sabbath day, abolish the Sabbath, and claim every day is "Sabbatismos".

That's identical to robbing Thanksgiving dinner from Thanksgiving day, abolishing Thanksgiving day, and then claiming every dinner thereafter is Thanksgiving dinner.

No, friend, just as Thanksgiving dinner takes place only on Thanksgiving day, so "Sabbatismos" takes place only on the Sabbath day.