Will Christ utter new words in a Premil millennium?

[grafted branch]

No that won't happen like that because the Lord has already said after the 1000 years the devil will be loosed for a little season

God cannot lie so He does not go back add to or take away from His Word

I agree, but doesn’t that also mean that God couldn’t have added any time in between week 69 and week 70 in Daniel 9?

 

[grafted branch]

Interesting topic. Since Christ will have rid the planet His enemies ( unbelievers), locked up Satan and his demons, (disabling them from tempting man to sin), therefore everyone will be Christian and in harmony with God, whatever is good and true will be the only thing anyone talks about. Are there more good thi gs to kearn about reality? Absolutely. Everyone will be behaving and speaking purely, holiness will abound. The Bible will still be needed for the newborns. We will cherish it and be grateful, remembering where we came from. Babies will be born and so they will need to receive the truth, learn the Word, believe, practice, pray and worship God.
Christ's words will obviously be new and different since there will be no focus on sin and evil, and it's consequences. No emphasis on " believe in Me and you'll be saved". That will be history for all. When sin is out of the way, love and good is fully realized, reaching heights of achievement like never before, like a few prodegies do now. We'll all be prodigies. All our gifts and abilities will be fully realized. We will be physically, mentally and spiritually healthy. So teaching and focus will be only on good things. We will prosper like never before and be happy, content, but not concerned about personal gain, getting ahead, competing, winning. We will now peace like never before. Perfection in every field will be the norm when sin cannot cripple, supress and discourage.
Would there be a need to hear truth, new insights coming from Jesus? Sure, it will be reported purely - no fake news. There is so much more we can learn.
Many of us will have new resurrected bodies, but many will still have mortal bodies, and we see evidence of this by the fact that there will be procreation, newborns and death, but much longer lives. That is why after the 1000 years, there will be a 2nd resurrection.

Ok, thanks for that response. I’m not Premil and I think the Bible is complete, but I can see why a Premil might say it will be added to in the millennium.

As I stated in the OP, I’m not personally trying to debate this, but I’m sure others will as this is a controversial thing. To be clear, do you think it’s possible to have a book and verse such as 1 Jesus 4:18, or something like that, added to the Bible in the millennium?

 

[Ronald Nolette]

I had a conversation with a Premil friend of mine about how he can be sure the millennium hasn’t already occurred. In a nutshell, he said that during the millennium Christ will be ruling and His words during that time will be recorded and His words will not pass away. Since we currently don’t have His words from the millennial rule, we can know for certain it hasn’t happened.

I said how do we know whether or not Christ will actually utter any words during the millennium, other than what has already been written? His only response was that it should be obvious that Christ will be speaking many words during His reign.

I’ve been thinking about this and does the Premil position also mean that the cannon of Scripture is not yet complete? I know the Revelation 22:18-19 warning is if any man add or subtract, but an argument can certainly be made that Christ is not in view in those verses.

So will there be new chapters or books added to the Bible during the Premil millennium? Can there be more time added in somewhere after the millennium by Christ uttering new prophecies? Or could it be possible that Christ doesn’t speak at all during the millennium?

I’m not trying to debate anything, I’m just curious what others think about this.

Well I am sure during the millennial kingdom, Jesus will be speaking. I do not think He will zipper His mouth for 1000 years.

As for the Canon of Scripture? it is closed as far as what man needs to know God and be saved and prepare for all that will happen after Jesus physically returns to earth to establish His kingdom.

Whether there will be new epistles during the millennial, No one can sure with certainty. If there is whether or not they become a new canon is also anyones guess. There are dozens of letters and gospels that were written that never made it to Scripture though they were very valuable to the church. It could be the same in teh Millennial kingdom. We will just have to wait and see.

 

[grafted branch]

Well I am sure during the millennial kingdom, Jesus will be speaking. I do not think He will zipper His mouth for 1000 years.

As for the Canon of Scripture? it is closed as far as what man needs to know God and be saved and prepare for all that will happen after Jesus physically returns to earth to establish His kingdom.

Whether there will be new epistles during the millennial, No one can sure with certainty. If there is whether or not they become a new canon is also anyones guess. There are dozens of letters and gospels that were written that never made it to Scripture though they were very valuable to the church. It could be the same in teh Millennial kingdom. We will just have to wait and see.

Ok, I take it as your answer is, yes, it is possible to have a 1 Jesus 4:18.

I can also see where a person can put forth an argument about if one of Paul’s lost epistles to the Corinthians were found, would it be added to the canon? No easy answer but definitely debatable .

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

I agree, but doesn’t that also mean that God couldn’t have added any time in between week 69 and week 70 in Daniel 9?

He will always operate and function within the Word of God that has already been spoken

If He says anything new, it will be within the Word of God that has already been spoken because He cannot lie.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

Ok, thanks for that response. I’m not Premil and I think the Bible is complete, but I can see why a Premil might say it will be added to in the millennium.

As I stated in the OP, I’m not personally trying to debate this, but I’m sure others will as this is a controversial thing. To be clear, do you think it’s possible to have a book and verse such as 1 Jesus 4:18, or something like that, added to the Bible in the millennium?

I did not say Jesus would add to the Bible. The purpose of the Bible was an message from God, an introduction of who He is, who we are, why we are here and where we are going. In the MK, the Bible's purpose will have been fulfilled, reconciliation with God through Christ - salvation. Once we are at our destination, it will be a whole new frontier to dis over and learn about Part 2 of our existence, if you will. If God's Word is to continue, which I imagine it will, it will be a separate Book, Volume Two, a much more advanced course on spirituality for us geniuses. Imagine us having the mental capacity beyond Einstein. Christ could then explain things that now are way over our heads.
Jesus would teach us new things. Man has had thousands of questions for which the Bible does not have answers. It is sufficient for now to guide us. We see dimly now, but then we will see more clearly. The knowledge of the mysteries of the universe would be available to us. But then again, would quantum physics matter? I think the spiritual realm would be much more fascinating. With our new bodies, multi-dimensional existence, traveling from earth to heaven and back like angels, teleporting long distances with a thought is beyond quantum physics and Star Trek's "Beam me up Scotty" technology.

 

[grafted branch]

He will always operate and function within the Word of God that has already been spoken

If He says anything new, it will be within the Word of God that has already been spoken because He cannot lie.

I don’t know of any Premil’s that have all 70 weeks being continuous with no gap. I would think adding in the times of the Gentiles in between the 69th and 70th week would’ve qualified as adding something new when Paul wrote his epistles.

Do you think there is a gap in the 70 weeks in Daniel 9, or not?

 

[grafted branch]

I did not say Jesus would add to the Bible. The purpose of the Bible was an message from God, an introduction of who He is, who we are, why we are here and where we are going. In the MK, the Bible's purpose will have been fulfilled, reconciliation with God through Christ - salvation. Once we are at our destination, it will be a whole new frontier to dis over and learn about Part 2 of our existence, if you will. If God's Word is to continue, which I imagine it will, it will be a separate Book, Volume Two, a much more advanced course on spirituality for us geniuses. Imagine us having the mental capacity beyond Einstein. Christ could then explain things that now are way over our heads.
Jesus would teach us new things. Man has had thousands of questions for which the Bible does not have answers. It is sufficient for now to guide us. We see dimly now, but then we will see more clearly. The knowledge of the mysteries of the universe would be available to us. But then again, would quantum physics matter? I think the spiritual realm would be much more fascinating. With our new bodies, multi-dimensional existence, traveling from earth to heaven and back like angels, teleporting long distances with a thought is beyond quantum physics and Star Trek's "Beam me up Scotty" technology.

Most people consider the Bible, as a whole, the infallible word of God. Obviously the books in the Bible were written by different individuals but I think most Christians consider all of it the Word of God.

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Currently we divide the Bible into the Old Testament and New Testament but we call it the Bible or the Word of God. If new revelation occurs during the millennium I would think it would be considered an addition to the Bible, just like the New Testament was an addition to the Old Testament. Maybe they’ll call it the Millennial Testament, who knows, but no doubt it would be an addition.

 

[jeffweeder]

If new revelation occurs during the millennium I would think it would be considered an addition to the Bible, just like the New Testament was an addition to the Old Testament. Maybe they’ll call it the Millennial Testament, who knows, but no doubt it would be an addition.

God had things written to benefit all people now and, in the future, and it has immensely. It ends in the blessed hope of all generations, which is the appearing of our great GOD AND SAVIOUR.

Tit 2
11 For the [remarkable, undeserved] grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men. 12 It teaches us to reject ungodliness and worldly (immoral) desires, and to live sensible, upright, and godly lives [lives with a purpose that reflect spiritual maturity] in this present age,
13 awaiting and confidently expecting the [fulfillment of our] blessed hope and the glorious appearing of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus, 14 who [willingly] gave Himself [to be crucified] on our behalf to redeem us and purchase our freedom from all wickedness, and to purify for Himself a chosen and very special people to be His own possession, who are enthusiastic for doing what is good.



What would be the point of any new revelation, post second coming, in this pre millennium last generation. GOD and the Saints supposedly ruling in all their glory wasn't enough.

The last thing the unsaved will remember is the Lord Jesus calling them goats and weeds and throwing them in the fire he prepared for Devil at his coming.

The last thing the saved remember is the blessed lord coming for them before the NHNE where only righteousness will dwell.

It is written.
God bless.

 

[grafted branch]

God had things written to benefit all people now and, in the future, and it has immensely. It ends in the blessed hope of all generations, which is the appearing of our great GOD AND SAVIOUR.

Tit 2
11 For the [remarkable, undeserved] grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men. 12 It teaches us to reject ungodliness and worldly (immoral) desires, and to live sensible, upright, and godly lives [lives with a purpose that reflect spiritual maturity] in this present age,
13 awaiting and confidently expecting the [fulfillment of our] blessed hope and the glorious appearing of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus, 14 who [willingly] gave Himself [to be crucified] on our behalf to redeem us and purchase our freedom from all wickedness, and to purify for Himself a chosen and very special people to be His own possession, who are enthusiastic for doing what is good.



What would be the point of any new revelation, post second coming, in this pre millennium last generation. GOD and the Saints supposedly ruling in all their glory wasn't enough.

The last thing the unsaved will remember is the Lord Jesus calling them goats and weeds and throwing them in the fire he prepared for Devil at his coming.

The last thing the saved remember is the blessed lord coming for them before the NHNE where only righteousness will dwell.

It is written.
God bless.

I agree, I don’t personally think there is a future millennial reign on earth, but I’m entertaining that idea for now to examine all the details of the idea that Christ will add to the Bible during a Premil millennium.

Also, those that think Christ will come and reign in a future millennium should consider that He spoke in parables at His first coming, so He could also speak in parables during His supposed future millennium. Only Satan is bound from deceiving and it would only be speculation that Christ would speak plainly and clearly on all issues that divide the believers currently.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

I don’t know of any Premil’s that have all 70 weeks being continuous with no gap. I would think adding in the times of the Gentiles in between the 69th and 70th week would’ve qualified as adding something new when Paul wrote his epistles.

Do you think there is a gap in the 70 weeks in Daniel 9, or not?

We're talking about doctrine in terms of what God has taught in His Word concerning His ways of being and doing right
He will always operate and function within the Word of God that has already been spoken

If He says anything new, it will be within the Word of God that has already been spoken because He cannot lie.

I don’t personally think there is a future millennial reign on earth

You don't have to participate if you don't want to.

You can always go hang out with the devil and his crowd

 

[grafted branch]

We're talking about doctrine in terms of what God has taught in His Word concerning His ways of being and doing right
He will always operate and function within the Word of God that has already been spoken

If He says anything new, it will be within the Word of God that has already been spoken because He cannot lie.

Right, and I agree with that.
If there is a gap in the 70 weeks and it “operated and functioned within the Word of God that has already been spoken” then it would also be possible for 7,000 years to take place after the millennium, before Satan’s little season and it “operates and functions within the Word of God that has already been spoken”.

That’s one of the issues with claiming Christ can add to the Bible during the millennium. He could add a long period of time after the millennium and call it the times of the Millenialites. Just like the times of the Gentiles got declared in the New Testament.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

We're talking about doctrine in terms of what God has taught in His Word concerning His ways of being and doing right
He will always operate and function within the Word of God that has already been spoken

If He says anything new, it will be within the Word of God that has already been spoken because He cannot lie.






You don't have to participate if you don't want to.

You can always go hang out with the devil and his crowd

I hope you're willing to participate in dwelling in the eternal new heavens and new earth that will be established when Jesus returns (2 Peter 3:10-13)? Would you refuse to do so when you find out there will be no temporal thousand year earthly kingdom?

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

then it would also be possible for 7,000 years to take place after the millennium

No, because God said in His Word that Jesus would reign for 1000 years.

That ends the discussion.

If God adds more years to that then that would make Him a liar

It's impossible for God to lie, so there will not be any years added to the 1000

Time to quit asking questions that produce strife between you and the Lord suggesting He may not do what He said He is going to do.

 

[grafted branch]

No, because God said in His Word that Jesus would reign for 1000 years.

That ends the discussion.

If God adds more years to that then that would make Him a liar

It's impossible for God to lie, so there will not be any years added to the 1000

Time to quit asking questions that produce strife between you and the Lord suggesting He may not do what He said He is going to do.

I didn’t say Jesus would reign on earth for more than 1,000 years. I just said an extra 7,000 years of time could be added in between the millennium and Satan’s little season.

It seems to me you are working very hard to come up with reasons as to why that can’t be but once you allow that type of thing to happen, it sets a precedent, so either it is allowed throughout scripture or it isn’t.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Ok, I take it as your answer is, yes, it is possible to have a 1 Jesus 4:18.

I can also see where a person can put forth an argument about if one of Paul’s lost epistles to the Corinthians were found, would it be added to the canon? No easy answer but definitely debatable .

Well I believe it was God Himself who closed the canon of Scripture through the believers. Any of the other letters God knew were either duplicating instructyions or not relevant to the whole church.

 

[grafted branch]

Well I believe it was God Himself who closed the canon of Scripture through the believers. Any of the other letters God knew were either duplicating instructyions or not relevant to the whole church.

Ok, but then God didn’t permanently close the canon if it’s possible that it can be added to in the millennium, it was a temporal closure.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

It seems to me you are working very hard to come up with reasons as to why that can’t be but once you allow that type of thing to happen, it sets a precedent, so either it is allowed throughout scripture or it isn’t.

You should hop in your time machine and zip in to the future to see how it all works out.

Until then all you have is conjecture and guessing so wondering about this is all really a waste of time

 

[Zao is life]

I had a conversation with a Premil friend of mine about how he can be sure the millennium hasn’t already occurred. In a nutshell, he said that during the millennium Christ will be ruling and His words during that time will be recorded and His words will not pass away. Since we currently don’t have His words from the millennial rule, we can know for certain it hasn’t happened.

I said how do we know whether or not Christ will actually utter any words during the millennium, other than what has already been written? His only response was that it should be obvious that Christ will be speaking many words during His reign.

I’ve been thinking about this and does the Premil position also mean that the cannon of Scripture is not yet complete? I know the Revelation 22:18-19 warning is if any man add or subtract, but an argument can certainly be made that Christ is not in view in those verses.

So will there be new chapters or books added to the Bible during the Premil millennium? Can there be more time added in somewhere after the millennium by Christ uttering new prophecies? Or could it be possible that Christ doesn’t speak at all during the millennium?

I’m not trying to debate anything, I’m just curious what others think about this.

Christ will utter all the words you ever spoke before the thousand years even begins, so no need to worry about what else He may or may not say.

 

[grafted branch]

all you have is conjecture and guessing so wondering about this is all really a waste of time

Since this thread is about a Premil millennium I guess that means the Premil view is also conjecture and guessing so wondering about the Premil millennium is all really a waste of time.

Ok, got it.