Zec 12 says Isreal will be alone, but is America part of Isreal or not? If all countries will abandon Isreal wont the US. Even though we are a corrupt country we still have a lot of believers, unlike Sodom and Gomorra. I know we are a target now because we support Isreal, but according to Zec 12 that wont always be the case.
Will the US survive bible prophacy??
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I dont know that we will survive as we are now I doubt it. But the U.S. and Israel are already the most hated countries in the World So the prophecy is half completed you will hated by all nationsI think we may have to cease being a super power So the other countries feel like they can surround Israel Now how that happens I don't know we could have an economy collapse or a major natural disaster, a terrorist attack it could be anything but I have suspicion that it is the US that may be the cause of the deadly wound that happens to the new World order. Imagine if our econmy collapes we could not afford to buy all the imported goods or support every nation in the World we give Billions of dollars to countries all around the World if we could not afford to do that it would quickly cause major problems all around the World. We would not be able to buy oil or afford a war in Iraq if this econmy collapedIf we had a 9/11 type attack at the same time it would cripple the U.S. So it could be at that time that others might think they could attack IsraelSome including myself think scripture may illude to a chance at some point that Russia may even try to attack the U.S. through Alaska if this happened at the same time Israel was being attacked we would be busy defending our own border Most all this is just speculation on my part
Perhaps the question each of us should ask ourselves is what must I do and then what must we do to survive as a nation?We see bumper stickers that say "God bless America". Every time I see one of those I wish it would be changed to read "May We so live that God can bless America".Jonah got that message across to two cities. Their repentance was their shield of protection that averted the decreed destruction. Are we any different?
I believe that the US is Babylon. Specifically, Babylon is NAFTA. And that her destruction is the event that causes the sun to be darkened and the moon to blood, 3 1/2 days before the advent of Christ.In Yehoshua,Guy Smith
GuysmithYou know when you read the scripture about the fall of Bablyon where the ship captains weep at the destruction it sounds like the USA. I dont know of any other nation where they woud get such a reaction. Do you? Job one your right if theres any thing we can do as believers like prayer we need to figure out how to do it.
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GuysmithYou know when you read the scripture about the fall of Bablyon where the ship captains weep at the destruction it sounds like the USA. I dont know of any other nation where they woud get such a reaction. Do you? Job one your right if theres any thing we can do as believers like prayer we need to figure out how to do it.
Babylon means confusion. Do you really believe that the USA is the only country that is in confusion? This is rubbish and it is foolishness.JagLovest thou in Christ Yahshua, Lord and Saviour of the world.
GuysmithYou know when you read the scripture about the fall of Bablyon where the ship captains weep at the destruction it sounds like the USA. I dont know of any other nation where they woud get such a reaction. Do you? Job one your right if theres any thing we can do as believers like prayer we need to figure out how to do it.
Babylon means confusion. Do you really believe that the USA is the only country that is in confusion? This is rubbish and it is foolishness.JagLovest thou in Christ Yahshua, Lord and Saviour of the world.
sorry Jag we are full of a little rubbish here. So maybe you can help keep the discussion flowing with out devilish decent. There are lots of different ideas about the US in scripture and I am just trying to collect all thoughts on it. None has to be 100% correcthere. Thanks for your thoughtful comment anyway.
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I believe that the US is Babylon. Specifically, Babylon is NAFTA. And that her destruction is the event that causes the sun to be darkened and the moon to blood, 3 1/2 days before the advent of Christ.In Yehoshua,Guy Smith
I think that the US and our presence in Iraq (building an embassy bigger than the Vatican) are Babylon and Mystery Babylon. But I don't think NAFTA is Babylon. NAFTA is a tool being used to bring about the New World Order(NWO) and that is the beast. The IMF and the World Bank are the economic tools. NAFTA, CAFTA and the other trade treaties are the commerce tools, NATO, the UN, the EU are the political tools to bring the entire world together into the NWO. The whole purpose of the NWO is to bring about a Fabian socialist society. It is no accident that the US economy is in the state that it is in. This has been orchestrated and carefully crafted over time by the IMF and World Bank to destroy the USA. The Council on Foreign relations has been working for a very long time to infiltrate our government and advance the agenda of the Fabians. On the surface the Fabians seem like a bunch of educated liberal activists looking to promote peace and economic equality. In fact it is much more sinister than that.I highly recommend the book The Creature Form Jekyll Island by C. Edward Griffin. It is an in-depth analysis of the Federal Reserve, how it came to be and what it has done to destroy America from the inside out. Another worthwhile read is The End of America by Naomi Wolf which shows the fascist shift happening in our country right now.Vote for Ron Paul, folks. He's the only one who is even talking about these things, which is exactly why they aren't talking about him. He can't stop it, but he can slow it down, inspire the people to reclaim liberty and justice. But ultimately the best thing we can do is repent and pray for ourselves, our families, our enemies... It has all been written.
I believe that the US is Babylon. Specifically, Babylon is NAFTA. And that her destruction is the event that causes the sun to be darkened and the moon to blood, 3 1/2 days before the advent of Christ.In Yehoshua,Guy Smith
I think that the US and our presence in Iraq (building an embassy bigger than the Vatican) are Babylon and Mystery Babylon. But I don't think NAFTA is Babylon. NAFTA is a tool being used to bring about the New World Order(NWO) and that is the beast. The IMF and the World Bank are the economic tools. NAFTA, CAFTA and the other trade treaties are the commerce tools, NATO, the UN, the EU are the political tools to bring the entire world together into the NWO. The whole purpose of the NWO is to bring about a Fabian socialist society. It is no accident that the US economy is in the state that it is in. This has been orchestrated and carefully crafted over time by the IMF and World Bank to destroy the USA. The Council on Foreign relations has been working for a very long time to infiltrate our government and advance the agenda of the Fabians. On the surface the Fabians seem like a bunch of educated liberal activists looking to promote peace and economic equality. In fact it is much more sinister than that.I highly recommend the book The Creature Form Jekyll Island by C. Edward Griffin. It is an in-depth analysis of the Federal Reserve, how it came to be and what it has done to destroy America from the inside out. Another worthwhile read is The End of America by Naomi Wolf which shows the fascist shift happening in our country right now.Vote for Ron Paul, folks. He's the only one who is even talking about these things, which is exactly why they aren't talking about him. He can't stop it, but he can slow it down, inspire the people to reclaim liberty and justice. But ultimately the best thing we can do is repent and pray for ourselves, our families, our enemies... It has all been written.
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I believe that the US is Babylon. Specifically, Babylon is NAFTA. And that her destruction is the event that causes the sun to be darkened and the moon to blood, 3 1/2 days before the advent of Christ.In Yehoshua,Guy Smith
I disagree Guy Smith. As Jag said, "Babylon means confusion" and there is confusion everywhere. Religious confusion about who the One true God is.However, that isn't why I am replying. I heard something interesting about the prophesy of "blood on the moon."Acts 2:20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come:Someone said they believed this had already happened when man (blood) walked on the moon. I thought that was interesting and gives us one of the signs that we are in the last generation, however.....I then read the following scripture.Revelation 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; (The texts show it as "full moon became as blood.")So...It seems like the full moon becoming as blood won't happen until the 6th seal...when the fake christ arrives. It is a sign to us, for us to watch for, when the full moon looks red, like blood.However....I didn't see where it is written that this will happen 3 1/2 days before the Advent of Christ. Please provide scripture for this.........Whirlwind
I believe that the US is Babylon. Specifically, Babylon is NAFTA. And that her destruction is the event that causes the sun to be darkened and the moon to blood, 3 1/2 days before the advent of Christ.In Yehoshua,Guy Smith
I disagree Guy Smith. As Jag said, "Babylon means confusion" and there is confusion everywhere. Religious confusion about who the One true God is.However, that isn't why I am replying. I heard something interesting about the prophesy of "blood on the moon."Acts 2:20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come:Someone said they believed this had already happened when man (blood) walked on the moon. I thought that was interesting and gives us one of the signs that we are in the last generation, however.....I then read the following scripture.Revelation 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; (The texts show it as "full moon became as blood.")So...It seems like the full moon becoming as blood won't happen until the 6th seal...when the fake christ arrives. It is a sign to us, for us to watch for, when the full moon looks red, like blood.However....I didn't see where it is written that this will happen 3 1/2 days before the Advent of Christ. Please provide scripture for this.........Whirlwind
Heres my problem with this the term Babylon as Jag says means confusion physically Babylon is Iraq and part of Iran. Now how do we get from this to the U.S.it isnt in scripture its a guess by men to try and fit in AmericaBut to assume Babylon is the U.S. I believe is wrong although I think we are part of it. The book of Revelation is not about the U.S. we are so arrogant sometimes we think everything is about us its about the entire World and all its people. So lets see what scripture saysBabylon is used two ways in scripture one as a physical place in the mideast(Iraq,Iran) the other in a spiritual sense meaning False religions practices, (confusion as to whom the true God is) Therefore if we turn to scripture for answers we have to conclude that(mystery) Babylon Now when are we told a false religious system and leader will come ??During the tribulation when Antichrist (Satan) is kicked to earth what does he do he sets up a one world government and religious systemit is a false religious system where he will be pretending to be christ and the whole world will (w)hore after him and his false religious system = Babylon (it cause great confusion.
I found this on another site found it interesting:Not mineCroonerHowever I found this what I had scribbled will put it out there and see what you think.It sort of follows my last posting about Israel and Judah being two distinct identities. (with the 10 scattered tribes Israel)According to Hosea 12:1 "Ephraim...followeth after the east wind." East winds travel west so Ephraim goes west from Assyria (the power that defeated the 10 tribes).When the Eternal swore to David that He would perpetuate his throne (Ps 89:v 3 onwards), He said "I will set his hand also in the sea Ps 89:25 (Moffat says set his power). So the throne has something to do with being planted or set in the sea.Through Jeremiah the Eternal said "Backsliding Israel hath justified herself more than treacherous Judah. Go and proclaim these words towards the north and say, Return thou backsliding Israel saith the Lord (Jer 3:11-12).Israel is not only clearly distinguished from Judah but had been dispersed more than 130 years before Jeremiah wrote this. Had long since moved with the Assyrians as they pushed their way north and west from Assyria (all ancient history books confirm this migration).So Jeremiah is told to go north and west and look in the sea to tell Israel.But Jeremiah is writing for the last days, he's talking to Israel (who doesnt exist when he is writing) why would he do this if it were for then. No it is for now IMO.Jer 18:18 "In those days the house of Judah shall walk with the house of Israel (margin to the house of Israel) and they shall come together out of the land of the north to the land that I have given for an inheritance unto your fathers." At the future exodus, at Christ's coming, they are to return to Palestine out of the land of the north.After saying "How shall I give thee up Ephraim? the Eternal speaking through Hosea says "Then the children shall tremble from the west (Hos 11:8, 19)Again "Behold I will bring them from the north country and gather them from the coasts of the earth (Jer 31:8) This prophecy is for consideration in the latter days (Jer 30:24; 31:1) and addressed to Israel (vv 2,4,9) and Ephraim (vv 6,9) and Samaria (v 8). The coasts of the earth indicates that this people are dominant at sea and indicating they have spread abroad by colonisation.Referring to the house of Israel, not Judah (Is 49:3,6) God says "Behold these shall come from far: and lo, these from the north and and from the west; and these from the land of Sinim (Is 49:12). In the Hebrew there is no word for northwest so says north and west meaning our northwest. Now the Vulgate renders Sinim as Australi (no guesses where that is). So now the location northwest of Jerusalem and spreading across the whole world.Hence Israel of today - the Israel of the day of Jeremiahs "planting" of david's throne is located specifically northwest of Jerusalem and in the sea.Now even more specificallyIs 49:1 "Listen o Isles, unto me (the people addressed Israel are called O Isles in the first verse and O Israel in the third verse. Some tranlations call it coastlands.Jer 31 "I am Father to Israel, and Ephraim is my firstborn (remember Ephraim and Manessah got the birthright from Ruben from Jacob). Here the word of the Lord, o nations and declare it isn the isles afar off (Jer 31: 9-10)Again: "Keep silence before me O islands..thou, Israel, art my servant Jacob whom I have chosen (Is 41: 1,8)In Jer 31:10 the message is to be declared "in the isles afar off" and is to be shouted in :the chief of the nations" (v.7)So today as in the days of Jeremiah's day, the house of Israel is in the isles which are in the sea the chief of nations, northwest of Jeruslam. A coast dwelling sea dominant people.Now take a map of Europe, lay a line NW of Jerusalem across the continent of Europe until you come to the sea and then to islands in the sea.This line takes you directly to the British Isles.Now go and ask your minister/pastor/priest to explain these verses and hear their explanation. I did that years ago and stopped going to church.
Stold this one to same person this should be read first. I an going to try to grt this person to come to this site,Crooner"Daniels dream" (or rather Nebucchanezer spelling horrible) tells us about Europe. It is the feet of clay IMO. And Christ will come and smash it up. Oh glorious day when our Lord will return. As far as USA and England (I'm not from either country but have strong affections to both countries) are concerned they are part of the scattered tribes of Israel IMO. Notice the Bible talks about Judah and Israel (the nations not the spiritual Israel), two separate entities. They fought against each other) Josepth was given the birthright from Jacob which automatically went to his sons Ephraim and Manessah not the other brothers. All of Gen 29 gives us the message Jacob gave to his sons. But Gen 48 is very interesting esp v.19 where he says that Manessah will become one great nation (US) and Ephraim shall become a multitude of nations (British Empire).1Chron 17:9 "Moreover I will appoint a place for my people Israel, and will plant them that they may dwell in a place of their own and move no more."This cant be modern Israel, this promise was to people that became settled many many centuries ago. Before the US and British Empire.We then see the role that Jeremiah plays in this. What an interesting story, how he escapes to Ireland with baruch and the two daughters of King Zedekiah, no room here but can explain it if anyone is interested. Jer 43 and beyondScholars of Irish/Scottish history are very conversant with the site of Jeremiahs tomb (near Enniskillen)Judah is made up of the tribes of Judah and Benjamin (and apparently some of the tribe of Levi but havent studied that far yet) so who we know as Jews are only from those two tribes. The rest were scattered by the Assyrians including Ephraim and Manessah.This will take forever to explain I have been studying this for over 20 years it is one of my passions as I believe that if we can understand this it goes a long way to unlocking God's plan for us.. So I cant do justice here, but just a couple of interesting things for you to go and look at. Again I say dont believe anything I say but test all things.God promised David that a man would always sit on his throne until Christ returned. (1 kings9:1-5 2Chr 7:17-18 PS 132:10-12)How could this be who we know as Israel? But have a look at Great Britain.Read about the "Stone of Destiny" that is under the throne of England (well was until 1996 when it was returned to Scotland. However there is an agreement that when the next King is crowned the stone will be returned to England for the occasion.) The Stone of Destiny is explained by Thomas Moore but more interesting is this piece written in the Westminster Abbey Official Guide 1994 ed about the stone of destiny or the stone of scone as it is also knownp.128 Coronation Chair: "the coronation chair was made by Edward 1 (of England) to enclose the famous Stone of Scone, which he seized in 1296 and bought from Scotland to the Abbey....Legends abound concerning this mysterious object and tradition identifies this stone with the one upon whcih Jacob rested his head at Bethel (Gen 28:28).Jacob's sons carried it to Egypt and from thence it passed to Spain with King Gathelus son of Cecrops, the builder of Athens. About 700BC it appears in Ireland whither it was carried by the Spanish King Simon Brech, on his invasion of that ireland. There it was placed upon the sacred Hill of Tara and called 'Lia-Fail', the fatal stone or stone of destiny."It goes on but I find it interesting that it is in a tourist guide of the Abbey.Past times and the people had no problem knowing that this stone did indeed come from ancient IsraelAlso look up1.Tea Tephi and Scota the two daughters of Zedikiah (all his sons were killed)2.The people of the Red hand (Gen 38: 28-9)3.The Knights of the Red Branch (History of Ireland Vol1 pp89-90)4.The Judah-Darda connection5.King David's harp in Irish tradition6.who was Ollam Fodlhla7.Irish links to Israel who were the DanitesIt takes forever but will worth the research
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Stold this one to same person this should be read first. I an going to try to grt this person to come to this site,CroonerAlso look up1.Tea Tephi and Scota the two daughters of Zedikiah (all his sons were killed)2.The people of the Red hand (Gen 38: 28-9)3.The Knights of the Red Branch (History of Ireland Vol1 pp89-90)4.The Judah-Darda connection5.King David's harp in Irish tradition6.who was Ollam Fodlhla7.Irish links to Israel who were the DanitesIt takes forever but will worth the research
Some of us have studied this Crooner....it is very, very interesting. Truly, after spending some time with these subjects there is no doubt where some of the 10 lost tribes migrated to...none at all. ........Whirlwind
Stold this one to same person this should be read first. I an going to try to grt this person to come to this site,CroonerAlso look up1.Tea Tephi and Scota the two daughters of Zedikiah (all his sons were killed)2.The people of the Red hand (Gen 38: 28-9)3.The Knights of the Red Branch (History of Ireland Vol1 pp89-90)4.The Judah-Darda connection5.King David's harp in Irish tradition6.who was Ollam Fodlhla7.Irish links to Israel who were the DanitesIt takes forever but will worth the research
Some of us have studied this Crooner....it is very, very interesting. Truly, after spending some time with these subjects there is no doubt where some of the 10 lost tribes migrated to...none at all. ........Whirlwind
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Some of that stuff about the lost tribes from the other site sounds like my buddy Doppleganger talking.
Yes, this is old stuff to me as well. There are a few of us on this site that are well aware that Britain, her commonwealth, NW Europe and America are from the lost tribes of Israel, and as such, whatever happens to Israel in the end times in the bible applies to these nations as well. In other words, Israel is more than just the Jews.
Now take a map of Europe, lay a line NW of Jerusalem across the continent of Europe until you come to the sea and then to islands in the sea.This line takes you directly to the British Isles.
Thank God that he enabled me to study mathematics. If one extends that line (great circle arc), it also crosses the East coast of the United States! That is the birthplace of this nation. If we continue that line in either direction, that passes close to Australia and New Zealand in the south.In other words, I am emphatically saying that Israel, Britain, the United States and Australia all lay on (or very close to) that same line. The United States is also Northwest of Israel. And Israel is in the same direction from the United States as Britain: towards the Northeast.
Now take a map of Europe, lay a line NW of Jerusalem across the continent of Europe until you come to the sea and then to islands in the sea.This line takes you directly to the British Isles.
Thank God that he enabled me to study mathematics. If one extends that line (great circle arc), it also crosses the East coast of the United States! That is the birthplace of this nation. If we continue that line in either direction, that passes close to Australia and New Zealand in the south.In other words, I am emphatically saying that Israel, Britain, the United States and Australia all lay on (or very close to) that same line. The United States is also Northwest of Israel. And Israel is in the same direction from the United States as Britain: towards the Northeast.
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Some of that stuff about the lost tribes from the other site sounds like my buddy Doppleganger talking.
Thank God that he enabled me to study mathematics. If one extends that line (great circle arc), it also crosses the East coast of the United States! That is the birthplace of this nation. If we continue that line in either direction, that passes close to Australia and New Zealand in the south.In other words, I am emphatically saying that Israel, Britain, the United States and Australia all lay on (or very close to) that same line. The United States is also Northwest of Israel. And Israel is in the same direction from the United States as Britain: towards the Northeast.
He didn't enable me with any mathematical skills so I am very grateful for your post....Wow, how very interesting.As you are interested in this subject too I would like to tell you what someone I study with said. I trust this individual's scholarship or I wouldn't post this but it is his supposition only...in other words, an educated supposition.Ezekiel 38:2 "Son of man, set thy face against Gog, the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal, and prophesy against him."Tubal Cain" is a descendant of Cain, a Kenite. "Chief" is Rosh, changed to Roush and means Russia. "Meshech" is of old and is where Moscow is today. So...Moscow, the prince of Russia, is the government. Tubal was a little south of there and those are the children of Esau....Cain, Esau and Russia....all not in the good graces of our Father.There has always been a conflict between these superpowers (Esau and Jacob - America and Russia). The land of Esau was predicted long ago in [Gen.25:21-16]. Today, Russia seems to be coming back to it's former war like mentality.3.And say, 'Thus saith the Lord God; 'Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal:"Gog" symbolizes all that is powerful, gigantic, and proud, and Magog is symbolic of the same lands and people. ~ E.W. Bullinger. Gog is the name of the north nation and Magog a barbarous northern region.God is against them. Esau sold his birthright and God made them live away from the fat of the land. We have the waving fields of grain and they do not. (Gen.27:39 was mistranslated...God didn't give them the fat of the land but put them away from it)4.And I will turn thee back,, and put hooks into thy jaws, and I will bring thee forth, and all thine army, horses and horsemen, all of them clothed with all sorts of armour, even a great company with bucklers and shields, all of them handling swords:God is going to fight this battle. The cards are being placed on the table now.5.Persia, Ethiopia, and Libya with them; all of them with shield and helmet
ersia is Iran and the other two will be with Russia at Hamangog - the final war.8.After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword, and is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them.In end times (latter years) the house of Israel (not the nation of Israel) is gathered in America. We will be safe and control our gates.9.Thou shalt ascend and come like a storm, thou shalt be like a cloud to cover the land, thou, and all they bands, and many people with thee.'One world-ism rebelling against the superpower and God.10.Thus saith the Lord God; 'It shall also come to pass, that at the same time shall things come into thy mind, and thou shalt think an evil thought;That could be the 9/11 attack???11.And thou shalt say, 'I will go up to the land of unwalled villages; I will go to them that are at rest, that dwell safely, all of the dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates,This is America, God's superpower. It wasn't an accident that we rose to be such a power in such a short time.15. And thou shalt come from thy place out of the north parts, thou, and many people with thee, all of the riding upon horses, a great company, and a mighty army:North parts - From Russia to Alaska???17.Thus saith the Lord God; 'Art thou he of whom I have spoken in old time by My servants the prophets of Israel, which prophesied in those days many years that I would bring thee against them?We purchased Alaska from Russia. Seward, the same man that established the Republican party when they split from the Whig party over the issue of slavery, purchased Alaska for $7,002,000...The #7 is spiritual perfection. Seward's Peninsula freezes in the winter and joins Russia. The army will come from the north. So...did we purchase a burial ground for those who attack our nation?America is called the "unwalled city." God is our protective wall and nothing can come against Him and His children.Could it be that Hamangog (multitude of Gog) will be fought in Alaska and Armageddon in Jerusalem? Both fought at the same time - right before the last trump. Sorry this is so long but it gives us a lot to think about..........Whirlwind
Some of that stuff about the lost tribes from the other site sounds like my buddy Doppleganger talking.
He didn't enable me with any mathematical skills so I am very grateful for your post....Wow, how very interesting.As you are interested in this subject too I would like to tell you what someone I study with said. I trust this individual's scholarship or I wouldn't post this but it is his supposition only...in other words, an educated supposition.Ezekiel 38:2 "Son of man, set thy face against Gog, the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal, and prophesy against him."Tubal Cain" is a descendant of Cain, a Kenite. "Chief" is Rosh, changed to Roush and means Russia. "Meshech" is of old and is where Moscow is today. So...Moscow, the prince of Russia, is the government. Tubal was a little south of there and those are the children of Esau....Cain, Esau and Russia....all not in the good graces of our Father.There has always been a conflict between these superpowers (Esau and Jacob - America and Russia). The land of Esau was predicted long ago in [Gen.25:21-16]. Today, Russia seems to be coming back to it's former war like mentality.3.And say, 'Thus saith the Lord God; 'Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal:"Gog" symbolizes all that is powerful, gigantic, and proud, and Magog is symbolic of the same lands and people. ~ E.W. Bullinger. Gog is the name of the north nation and Magog a barbarous northern region.God is against them. Esau sold his birthright and God made them live away from the fat of the land. We have the waving fields of grain and they do not. (Gen.27:39 was mistranslated...God didn't give them the fat of the land but put them away from it)4.And I will turn thee back,, and put hooks into thy jaws, and I will bring thee forth, and all thine army, horses and horsemen, all of them clothed with all sorts of armour, even a great company with bucklers and shields, all of them handling swords:God is going to fight this battle. The cards are being placed on the table now.5.Persia, Ethiopia, and Libya with them; all of them with shield and helmet
ersia is Iran and the other two will be with Russia at Hamangog - the final war.8.After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword, and is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them.In end times (latter years) the house of Israel (not the nation of Israel) is gathered in America. We will be safe and control our gates.9.Thou shalt ascend and come like a storm, thou shalt be like a cloud to cover the land, thou, and all they bands, and many people with thee.'One world-ism rebelling against the superpower and God.10.Thus saith the Lord God; 'It shall also come to pass, that at the same time shall things come into thy mind, and thou shalt think an evil thought;That could be the 9/11 attack???11.And thou shalt say, 'I will go up to the land of unwalled villages; I will go to them that are at rest, that dwell safely, all of the dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates,This is America, God's superpower. It wasn't an accident that we rose to be such a power in such a short time.15. And thou shalt come from thy place out of the north parts, thou, and many people with thee, all of the riding upon horses, a great company, and a mighty army:North parts - From Russia to Alaska???17.Thus saith the Lord God; 'Art thou he of whom I have spoken in old time by My servants the prophets of Israel, which prophesied in those days many years that I would bring thee against them?We purchased Alaska from Russia. Seward, the same man that established the Republican party when they split from the Whig party over the issue of slavery, purchased Alaska for $7,002,000...The #7 is spiritual perfection. Seward's Peninsula freezes in the winter and joins Russia. The army will come from the north. So...did we purchase a burial ground for those who attack our nation?America is called the "unwalled city." God is our protective wall and nothing can come against Him and His children.Could it be that Hamangog (multitude of Gog) will be fought in Alaska and Armageddon in Jerusalem? Both fought at the same time - right before the last trump. Sorry this is so long but it gives us a lot to think about..........WhirlwindHello Whirlwind,You stated: So...It seems like the full moon becoming as blood won't happen until the 6th seal...when the fake christ arrives. It is a sign to us, for us to watch for, when the full moon looks red, like blood.However....I didn't see where it is written that this will happen 3 1/2 days before the Advent of Christ. Please provide scripture for this.My response: According to:1. Matt 24:15-28 you have the Great Tribulation period.2. Matt 24:29 you have a time period where the sun/moon are effected (after the Tribulation) Joel 2:31 clarifies that this period will take place before the day of the LORD.3. Matt 24:30 you have the resurrection on the Day of the LORD Notice the events of the two witnesses.1. They prophesy for the 1260 days of the GT.2. After the 1260 days their bodies lie for 3 ½ days on the streets of Jerusalem.3. They are resurrected on the day of the LORD.Conclusion: The time period where the sun/moon are effected last for the 3 ½ days that the bodies of the two witnesses lies on the streets of Jerusalem.Concerning Babylon; It is irrelevant what Babylon is. At that time 1/3 of the planet will be destroyed. The destruction will be so bad that the world will be in a death spin. Only Christ’s intervention on behalf of the elect will change things. Babylon could be NAFTA, Iraq, confusion, the Catholic church, the north pole or what ever. It is irrelevant because what ever causes the destruction of 1/3 of the planet in reality is what causes the destruction of the entire planet. I just believe that the United States best fills the description in Rev 18.In Yehoshua,Guy Smith
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Some of us have studied this Crooner....it is very, very interesting. Truly, after spending some time with these subjects there is no doubt where some of the 10 lost tribes migrated to...none at all. ........Whirlwind
I thought David played the Lyre? I could not see him lugging a harp through the fields and playing it whilst looking after sheep.lol A harp is plucked but a lyre is strummed or a pleck used.
Some of us have studied this Crooner....it is very, very interesting. Truly, after spending some time with these subjects there is no doubt where some of the 10 lost tribes migrated to...none at all. ........Whirlwind
I thought David played the Lyre? I could not see him lugging a harp through the fields and playing it whilst looking after sheep.lol A harp is plucked but a lyre is strummed or a pleck used.
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