Willful sinner, yes I'm one but you're not, right ?

[rvmb]

Let's use LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR as one test.
'Neighbor' ANYONE you are aware of that needs help that you are able to provide.
**
If you became aware of a close loved family member that was homeless and you have room SOMEWHERE in your own home, would you ?
1. Give them a few dollars then walk away
2. Let them live with you until they were back on their feet
**
NOW what if that "close loved family member" was a total derelict stranger ?
Would you do 1 or 2 ?
Based on your answer, tell us whether or not you are a willful sinner

 

[Jesussaves150]

Let them live with me until they were back on their feet either way if possible.If I was worried I would direct them to a shelter and help if I could not have them in my home.We are all sinners falling short of the mark. A few dollars is not going to help anyone.Its a tough world out there for the poor and the way things are going we will see a lot more people in that position.I would also pray for them.

What would you do I don't see your answer to the question please respond to the same question what would you do?

 

[rvmb]

Let them live with me until they were back on their feet either way if possible.If I was worried I would direct them to a shelter and help if I could not have them in my home.We are all sinners falling short of the mark. A few dollars is not going to help anyone.Its a tough world out there for the poor and the way things are going we will see a lot more people in that position.I would also pray for them.

What would you do I don't see your answer to the question please respond to the same question what would you do?

Though 1 Cor 15:1-4, Eph 1:13 saved, I remain a willful sinner
I'm the few bucks type, tell them about Christ then walk away.
>>>""back on their feet either way if possible"""<< sleep on lounge, mattress in kitchen etc etc.
>>>""".If I was worried"""
If you found out a CLOSE LOVED FAMILY MEMBER was homeless in a park, would you try & find them ?
If yes, then why don't you go to those parks & offer a homeless stranger to live in your own home till they're back on their feet ?

 

[Taken]

Willful sinner, yes I'm one but you're not, right ?

A WILLFUL sinner is one who exercises his own FREEWILL to Reject Belief in the Lord God Almighty.

Correct…that does NOT apply to me.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Jesussaves150]

If you found out a CLOSE LOVED FAMILY MEMBER was homeless in a park, would you try & find them ? Yes

If yes, then why don't you go to those parks & offer a homeless stranger to live in your own home till they're back on their feet ?

Because there are a lot of drug addicts here and I don't know them or what they will do in my home.Its -15C here no one lives in Parks here they go to the shelter or they would freeze to death.There arr several shelters here and I would direct them to the shelter.There are non in the area I live in.

I am not a willful sinner.

 

[Jay Ross]

I do not go out into the byways to find people that I can help.

Rather I provide money for others more suitable to do just that. Every four weeks I put money in an envelope and leave it on the desk for these people to be able to go out and buy meat each week for 50 or so needy families so that they have food on their table at a reasonable subsidised cost to them.

Not only do I just support people where I live, I also support people overseas through a church in a third world country.

My ministry is to give the means for others to minister to others where I live and overseas.

Few know of my generosity to others. What I do know is that God has provided the means for me to do just this.

 

[rvmb]

I do not go out into the byways to find people that I can help.

Rather I provide money for others more suitable to do just that. Every four weeks I put money in an envelope and leave it on the desk for these people to be able to go out and buy meat each week for 50 or so needy families so that they have food on their table at a reasonable subsidised cost to them.

Not only do I just support people where I live, I also support people overseas through a church in a third world country.

My ministry is to give the means for others to minister to others where I live and overseas.

Few know of my generosity to others. What I do know is that God has provided the means for me to do just this.

>>>>>""I do not go out into the byways to find people that I can help.
Would you ""go out into the byways to find"" a close loved family member that you believed was homeless ?

 

[ProDeo]

If you became aware of a close loved family member that was homeless and you have room SOMEWHERE in your own home, would you ?

Actually my wife and I are in such a situation right now. It's about one of our grandsons. He is 22 years and homeless. We have a room free. We are also in our seventies, that's problem one, the least problem. Something very bad happened when he was in prison, we (and his parents) don't know what happened, get no access to information, but it completely changed him. The once cheerful, jolly, good-humored boy became a troubled person, violent, deep into conspiracies, on drugs, hears voices of God, feels he has been chosen by God to heal the world by therapy, by that he means the world should be one big place of people chilling while smoking weed. He refuses help, does not take his medication. Yesterday he was here, we talked for 2 hours and he was on a mission asking me together to go to the coffee shop and chill while smoking stuff. He is beyond repair and only God can help him. We are praying for that to happen and I take the opportunity to ask prayers for him, thank you.

 

[Jay Ross]

>>>>>""I do not go out into the byways to find people that I can help.
Would you ""go out into the byways to find"" a close loved family member that you believed was homeless ?

Do you want me to write a full-on job description for every possible situation that I might encounter in my "working ministry" life?

Your hypothetical question is not worth responding to. My outside ministry is directed and the steps necessary to minister to others is also directed.

Before I went into a third world country, I had to be prepared to die in that country if circumstances developed where my life would be in danger.

 

[rvmb]

Actually my wife and I are in such a situation right now. It's about one of our grandsons. He is 22 years and homeless. We have a room free. We are also in our seventies, that's problem one, the least problem. Something very bad happened when he was in prison, we (and his parents) don't know what happened, get no access to information, but it completely changed him. The once cheerful, jolly, good-humored boy became a troubled person, violent, deep into conspiracies, on drugs, hears voices of God, feels he has been chosen by God to heal the world by therapy, by that he means the world should be one big place of people chilling while smoking weed. He refuses help, does not take his medication. Yesterday he was here, we talked for 2 hours and he was on a mission asking me together to go to the coffee shop and chill while smoking stuff. He is beyond repair and only God can help him. We are praying for that to happen and I take the opportunity to ask prayers for him, thank you.

In the same circumstance I would not house him.
Why ? Because I'm a sinner, I do a VERY POOR JOB of the LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR as yourself command.
Though I remain eternally saved, I will probably suffer loss as a result :-
1 Corinthians 3:15 states, "If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire"

 

[rvmb]

Do you want me to write a full-on job description for every possible situation that I might encounter in my "working ministry" life?

Your hypothetical question is not worth responding to. My outside ministry is directed and the steps necessary to minister to others is also directed.

Before I went into a third world country, I had to be prepared to die in that country if circumstances developed where my life would be in danger.

Your resume is irrelevant
The command is LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.
Your 'neighbor' is ANYONE that you are aware of that needs help that you can provide.
GUARANTEE you have walked past someone you suspected was homeless and DID very little if anything.
Luke 10:30-31 is a good description of you.

 

[Jay Ross]

You're resume is irrelevant
The command is LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.
Your 'neighbor' is ANYONE that you are aware of that needs help that you can provide.
GUARANTEE you have walked past someone you suspected was homeless and DID very little if anything.
Luke 10:30-31 is a good description of you.

Bully for you. You have judged me and you now believe that I am wanting in character.

Here are some examples where my wife and I have "Loved our Neighbours."

First example: - I have put $120,000 on the line to help someone who needed a hand up but, this person did not stand up. He wanted to rob me instead and take my truck to another town where I would not have had oversight over what he did with the truck.

Within three months, I ended up with a $120,000 truck in my back yard for a year before I sold it again, but God had my back and I recouped all of my original outlay, even after selling the truck at a loss of around 33%.

Second example: - My son and I lent $20,000 to a friend; I was able to return my son's half of the loan to my friend as that was the outcome that my son wanted. The outstand $10,000, owed to me was not recoverable and I forgave him for his debt to me.

Third example: - Over the past 2 years, I have supported a food bank for people who were facing financial difficulties to the tune of around 15% of my income before taxes. This money was given anonymously.

Fourth example: - Earlier this year I provided $3,000, as quietly as possibly, for a pastor in the Philippians, through my church, for two hearing aids so that he could keep ministering to His church and community.

Now you have never meet me or know my heart, so your putdown is meaningless.

Over the last 30 years, I have travelled to KTM for around three months each time and while there I have provided blankets for families who had lost their slum dwelling in a fire to keep them warm.

This same slum was flooded a few years later and I provided winter jackets for the church's congregation within the slum.

Another community in KTM was also flooded and I provided Blankets for people within this community.

Over the years, I have supported widows and orphans in Nepal

Perhaps you may like to reveal how God has led you to bless those you may have rubbed shoulders with.

Shalom

 

[ProDeo]

In the same circumstance I would not house him.
Why ? Because I'm a sinner, I do a VERY POOR JOB of the LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR as yourself command.
Though I remain eternally saved, I will probably suffer loss as a result :-
1 Corinthians 3:15 states, "If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire"

You do what you can.

 

[rvmb]

You do what you can.

If you have room in your home & you don't house a person you know to be homeless, you FAIL at the LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF command = willful sin which I too am also guilty of.

 

[ProDeo]

If you have room in your home & you don't house a person you know to be homeless, you FAIL at the LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF command = willful sin which I too am also guilty of.

I think you should read my post again, the person in question has gone from professional shelter house to professional shelter house and it always ends in violence. Maybe when 20 years younger we would give it a shot as after all we love the boy.

 

[rvmb]

I think you should read my post again, the person in question has gone from professional shelter house to professional shelter house and it always ends in violence. Maybe when 20 years younger we would give it a shot as after all we love the boy.

I've already stated that>>>>> I TOO WOULD NOT HOUSE HIM
1 Tim 5:8 Paul further reinforces the command from Christ
You & I can try & justify why we would not house him till we are blue in the face yet it remains WILFUL SIN.
Fortunately we ARE forgiven of ALL OUR sins by placing our faith & trust in the saving Gospel that applies today :- 1 Cor 15:1-4, Eph 1:13

 

[rvmb]

Bully for you. You have judged me and you now believe that I am wanting in character.

Here are some examples where my wife and I have "Loved our Neighbours."

First example: - I have put $120,000 on the line to help someone who needed a hand up but, this person did not stand up. He wanted to rob me instead and take my truck to another town where I would not have had oversight over what he did with the truck.

Within three months, I ended up with a $120,000 truck in my back yard for a year before I sold it again, but God had my back and I recouped all of my original outlay, even after selling the truck at a loss of around 33%.

Second example: - My son and I lent $20,000 to a friend; I was able to return my son's half of the loan to my friend as that was the outcome that my son wanted. The outstand $10,000, owed to me was not recoverable and I forgave him for his debt to me.

Third example: - Over the past 2 years, I have supported a food bank for people who were facing financial difficulties to the tune of around 15% of my income before taxes. This money was given anonymously.

Fourth example: - Earlier this year I provided $3,000, as quietly as possibly, for a pastor in the Philippians, through my church, for two hearing aids so that he could keep ministering to His church and community.

Now you have never meet me or know my heart, so your putdown is meaningless.

Over the last 30 years, I have travelled to KTM for around three months each time and while there I have provided blankets for families who had lost their slum dwelling in a fire to keep them warm.

This same slum was flooded a few years later and I provided winter jackets for the church's congregation within the slum.

Another community in KTM was also flooded and I provided Blankets for people within this community.

Over the years, I have supported widows and orphans in Nepal

Perhaps you may like to reveal how God has led you to bless those you may have rubbed shoulders with.

Shalom

""First example: - I have put $120,000 on the line to help someone who needed a hand up but, this person did not stand up etc etc etc
Matt 6:1-4
1Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven.
2Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
3But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth:
4That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly.\
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Good for you, so now will you stand before Christ & tell Him He has to let you in since you did all those wonderful things ?

 

[Jay Ross]

""First example: - I have put $120,000 on the line to help someone who needed a hand up but, this person did not stand up etc etc etc
Matt 6:1-4
1Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven.
2Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
3But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth:
4That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly.\
****************
Good for you, so now will you stand before Christ & tell Him He has to let you in since you did all those wonderful things ?

What is your problem? You stated without any grounds that I did not love my neighbour(s) in a judgemental manner.

I simply provide evidence that showed that I did love those who God put into my path to minister to within bounds of the Blessings and Gifts that He has given me to use. One of those gifts is the ability to give out of the resources that the Lord has provided me with. Now few if any know of the monetary gifts that I give. You, living two and a half hours away from where I live, have no idea about what I might do or not do to help others. God is the one who prompts me to do what I do.

Again, in the above post, you have made disparaging remarks against me.

I know God's fertile soil that I take my nourishment from. Whether or not that qualifies me to be welcomed into the Ever-Lasting Kingdom, is God's to decide. God will judge my heart, not you.

Perhaps you should reflect on your actions to see if you too are worthy to be in God's Ever-lasting Kingdom.

Shalom

 

[rvmb]

What is your problem? You stated without any grounds that I did not love my neighbour(s) in a judgemental manner.

I simply provide evidence that showed that I did love those who God put into my path to minister to within bounds of the Blessings and Gifts that He has given me to use. One of those gifts is the ability to give out of the resources that the Lord has provided me with. Now few if any know of the monetary gifts that I give. You, living two and a half hours away from where I live, have no idea about what I might do or not do to help others. God is the one who prompts me to do what I do.

Again, in the above post, you have made disparaging remarks against me.

I know God's fertile soil that I take my nourishment from. Whether or not that qualifies me to be welcomed into the Ever-Lasting Kingdom, is God's to decide. God will judge my heart, not you.

Perhaps you should reflect on your actions to see if you too are worthy to be in God's Ever-lasting Kingdom.

Shalom

I have a problem with believers who give the impression they no longer WILFULLY sin or try to justify that the sin they do is not willful sin.
I also have a problem with believers who teach against the teachings of our ONLY Christ appointed Apostle who is the ONLY Apostle that has the authority to teach Salvation to believers 'today'.

 

[Jay Ross]

I have a problem with believers who give the impression they no longer WILFULLY sin or try to justify that the sin they do is not willful sin.
I also have a problem with believers who teach against the teachings of our ONLY Christ appointed Apostle who is the ONLY Apostle that has the authority to teach Salvation to believers 'today'.

This seems to be a problem that you have to deal with.

Now, no where in this thread did I state that I did not sin before God, yet in this thread, you are claiming that I did.

If God taps me on the shoulder to inform me that I am still wilfully sinning, then the resolution for my Wilful Sin is between God and myself. NO one should insert themselves into the resolution process that God is actively working on with me.

Goodbye