Wont take Rev 14:9 MOTB under any circumstance, really ?

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Thing is CC, the verse writes AND not OR.
The person must worship the beast AND take the mark.
What if the Christian does NOT worship the beast yet takes the mark so as to stop all his family & friends from being executed ?
Who says taking the mark will prevent all your friends and family from being executed?

You should not worship the beast. You should not take his mark.

Do either, or both, and go into the lake of fire.

Stop trying to find a way to deceive the beast.
 

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Thing is CC, the verse writes AND not OR.
The person must worship the beast AND take the mark.
What if the Christian does NOT worship the beast yet takes the mark so as to stop all his family & friends from being executed ?
I'd wip out my Berean Bible which reads...

And the smoke of their torment rises forever and ever. Day and night there is no rest for those who worship the beast and its image, or for anyone who receives the mark of its name.”

As I said, it's been nice knowing you. I'm more afraid of God than the repercussion of what man can do.
 
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Who says taking the mark will prevent all your friends and family from being executed?

You should not worship the beast. You should not take his mark.

Do either, or both, and go into the lake of fire.

Stop trying to find a way to deceive the beast.
Does the verse state AND take the mark OR take the mark ?
Does OR & AND have the same meaning or different ?
 

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I'd wip out my Berean Bible which reads...

And the smoke of their torment rises forever and ever. Day and night there is no rest for those who worship the beast and its image, or for anyone who receives the mark of its name.”

As I said, it's been nice knowing you. I'm more afraid of God than the repercussion of what man can do.
Yet you've already admitted you'll be raptured BEFORE the MOTB is even a thing to worry about
 

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I'd wip out my Berean Bible which reads...

And the smoke of their torment rises forever and ever. Day and night there is no rest for those who worship the beast and its image, or for anyone who receives the mark of its name.”

As I said, it's been nice knowing you. I'm more afraid of God than the repercussion of what man can do.
"""I'd wip out my Berean Bible which reads...
One of these below ?

Berean Bible Rev 14:9
Berean Standard Bible
And a third angel followed them, calling out in a loud voice, “If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives its mark on his forehead or on his hand,

Berean Literal Bible
And another, a third angel, followed them, saying in a loud voice, “If anyone worships the beast and its image, and receives a mark on his forehead or upon his hand,
 

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Does the verse state AND take the mark OR take the mark ?
Does OR & AND have the same meaning or different ?
You want to avoid the lake of fire?

Do not worship the beast who is the enemy of God.

Do not take the mark of the beast which identifies you as aligned with the beast, the enemy of God.

“Worships and receives” sounds like when you worship the beast, the mark is put on you right then.

All your family and friends will not be safe from execution no matter what you do.
 

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You want to avoid the lake of fire?

Do not worship the beast who is the enemy of God.

Do not take the mark of the beast which identifies you as aligned with the beast, the enemy of God.

All your family and friends will not be safe from execution no matter what you do.
Does the verse write AND or OR, which one ?
 

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"""I'd wip out my Berean Bible which reads...
One of these below ?

Berean Bible Rev 14:9
Berean Standard Bible
And a third angel followed them, calling out in a loud voice, “If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives its mark on his forehead or on his hand,

Berean Literal Bible
And another, a third angel, followed them, saying in a loud voice, “If anyone worships the beast and its image, and receives a mark on his forehead or upon his hand,
Complain to bible hub....not me.
 

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You act as if "and" has only one nuance. You didn't answer my question.
I said...go here...bible hub...study the usage of the word on the left and show me which one applies.

I'm still waiting.
 

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You act as if "and" has only one nuance. You didn't answer my question.
I said...go here...bible hub...study the usage of the word on the left and show me which one applies.

I'm still waiting.
Been there, it gives the possibilities based on context
In the context of Rev 14:9 KAI = AND.
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Here is OR
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You claimed the Berean Bible writes OR receives the mark.
Please list the one that does so
 

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I agree but don't they go hand in hand?

No. One is religious worship while the other is economic...buying and selling. Most will worship and take the mark but maybe some will the one and not the other. All I know is refusing the mark is not said to be a death sentence but failure to worship the image is.