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”And if you call on the Father, who without partiality judges according to each one’s work, conduct yourselves throughout the time of your stay here in fear; knowing that you were not redeemed with corruptible things, like silver or gold, from your aimless conduct received by tradition from your fathers, but with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot. He indeed was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you“
I Peter 1:17-20 NKJV
You can see here that Jesus as the Word of God, before coming down into flesh, was foreordained before the foundation of the world, and was manifest in these last times for you,
(Peter is writing to the dispersed)
”Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, To the pilgrims of the Dispersion in Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in sanctification of the Spirit, for obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace to you and peace be multiplied.“
I Peter 1:1-2 NKJV
This is only an opinion that I can’t prove. But I don’t think God forsook Him. “This is My Son. Hear Him. Listen to Him.”Did God forsake Jesus on the Cross?
Let’s consider,
Hebrews 5:7
While Jesus was here on earth, he offered prayers and pleadings, with a loud cry and tears, to the one who could rescue him from death. And God heard his prayers because of his deep reverence for God.
I believe that Jesus had hope of being redeemed and resurrected and glorified in his heart and soul. Jesus also have God within Him, as Christ.
2 Corinthians 5:19 It was God [personally present] in Christ, reconciling and restoring the world to favor with Himself, not counting up and holding against [men] their trespasses [but cancelling them], and committing to us the message of reconciliation (of the restoration to favor).
2 Corinthians 5:19 I mean that God was in Christ, making peace between the world and himself. In Christ, God did not hold people guilty for their sins. And he gave us this message of peace to tell people.
With this in mind, of God being in Christ, let’s look at the cross one more time, by the subject matter. You have the Pharisees wragging their heads at Jesus, mocking him, and then Jesus cries out.
”Now from the sixth hour there was darkness over all the land unto the ninth hour. And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?“
Matthew 27:45-46 KJV
have you forsaken
ἐγκατέλιπες (enkatelipes)
Verb - Aorist Indicative Active - 2nd Person Singular
Strong's 1459: From en and kataleipo; to leave behind in some place, i.e. let remain over, or to desert.
Many people desire to express that Jesus is feeling this way. However, it’s a reality in which God had forsaken the Body which Jesus had given up in order for it to be the sacrifice for sins forever after three days in which God resurrected the only Begotten Son of God. If God was in Christ. And Jesus had the ability to lay down his own life or not, God not being able to indwell sin that had partaken in that body (the Law fully), given forth the weight and sting of death, in order to reconcile everything back to the way it was in the Garden. God forsake Jesus, and while Jesus still had hope, God left him there to die. Which somewhere is mentioned in Psalms where it pleased God to crush his son, because of the eternal precious blood that outweighed sin, having been the very word of God.
It’s interesting to think about, the abandoned house of Jesus no longer “Christ” because God in Christ, left him. Jesus was left utterly alone, and died on the cross. Though in his heart and mind he continued to have faith trusting that God would bring him back, even in this moment of desolation, in partaking sin on the worlds behalf.
Yes. God did forsake, Jesus on the cross, but there was a reason for the scriptures to be fulfilled.
Reminds me of: Footprints in the SandThere is a famous Jewish anecdote about the Holocaust. One survivor was lamenting "Where was God? Where was God?" Another answered "Right there, suffering with us."
I don't see the Cross as any different. God was there, suffering with His incarnated Son. The Son's suffering and sense of being forsaken was real, just as His prayer to avoid the suffering if possible was likewise real, but this was only a human perspective - in no ontologically real sense did God forsake Himself.
Oh, yes, absolutely. My first wife struggled with breast cancer for seven years before she died. At the end of her journey, we both agreed those had been the best seven years of our 33-year marriage. That was almost 20 years ago now. The seeds planted in our journey together have continued to blossom in my own life in ways I never could have imagined.Reminds me of: Footprints in the Sand
Being able to look back at times God carried you and you didn’t even know you were being carried. It seems like in my life all the toughest times are the worst going through them. I mean during those times I’m on the verge of giving up. Almost always, I look back on that time as a time of learning and growth. Only when I’m on the other side of it. I can’t see clearly when I’m in it. It’s crazy how it takes the sting out of it.
I bet it was because during those seven years of trials of suffering , IT LED HER to draw Closer to GOD .Oh, yes, absolutely. My first wife struggled with breast cancer for seven years before she died. At the end of her journey, we both agreed those had been the best seven years of our 33-year marriage. That was almost 20 years ago now. The seeds planted in our journey together have continued to blossom in my own life in ways I never could have imagined.
That is so scary to be honest. it’s hard to explain. It’s not like you’d ever wish great hardship onto anyone but at the same time I do understand how what you shared is possible. even a beautiful testimony of stripped away of all the chatter and clutter and blessed to see the true value of relationship and life and love in what is truly important. Love how you said those seeds continue to grow and blossom! I’ve been thinking about the passages on “as poor but making many rich. As owning nothing, yet possessing all things.” That those seeds planted continues to multiply and be increased is a gift of God I think. Thank you for sharing. I can see how you look back on that seven years with joy and not bitterness.Oh, yes, absolutely. My first wife struggled with breast cancer for seven years before she died. At the end of her journey, we both agreed those had been the best seven years of our 33-year marriage. That was almost 20 years ago now. The seeds planted in our journey together have continued to blossom in my own life in ways I never could have imagined.
Before i was chastened i went astray . Whom the LORD loveth HE will chasten .That is so scary to be honest. it’s hard to explain. It’s not like you’d ever wish great hardship onto anyone but at the same time I do understand how what you shared is possible. even a beautiful testimony of stripped away of all the chatter and clutter and blessed to see the true value of relationship and life and love in what is truly important. Love how you said those seeds continue to grow and blossom! I’ve been thinking about the passages on “as poor but making many rich. As owning nothing, yet possessing all things.” That those seeds planted continues to multiply and be increased is a gift of God I think. Thank you for sharing. I can see how you look back on that seven years with joy and not bitterness.
Did God forsake Jesus on the Cross?
Oh my! How satanic! That sounds like something Kenneth Copeland would say!
I don’t believe he felt abandoned…
yep .Matthew 27:46
And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
Jesus specifically says God did forsake Him while He was on the cross. Jesus would know, He was there.
No, copeland claims when Jesus went in to hell he became a sinner and was being tortured by the devil in hell.
We know this is not true since the Bible tells us Jesus was preaching to the spirits in hell, not being beating up by the devil as copeland claims.
But I don’t think God forsook Him.
HE had to TELL GOD , TELL GOD to GET JESUS OUT OF HIS WAY SO HE COULD GET THE JOB DONE .
I will do my best to find the video of him saying this .So you do not believe what Jesus said about it???
Matthew 27:46
And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
I'd like to see proof of that.
Jesus was quoting Scripture, because many esteemed Him forsaken by God.Matthew 27:46
And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
Jesus specifically says God did forsake Him while He was on the cross. Jesus would know, He was there.
Yeah, I know too much about Copeland. It's sickening.No, copeland claims when Jesus went in to hell he became a sinner and was being tortured by the devil in hell.
We know this is not true since the Bible tells us Jesus was preaching to the spirits in hell, not being beating up by the devil as copeland claims.
Matthew 27:46 tells us Jesus most definitely felt abandoned.
I can’t tell. It seems as though he knew he was abandoned left on the cross, in order for reconciliation for the whole world, dying for the sins, which did not commit. Giving up his life, for his Father, who was his God. I wonder if Yahavah reminded him of his promises and the hope laid before Jesus before shortly departing from with the Lord, and thus, you have this cry showing it’s happening. Even so, one must consider Jesus and where his heart was. For Yahavah his Father, God of Israel. And For the whole world.Matthew 27:46 tells us Jesus most definitely felt abandoned.
Clear cut yea? “My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?” Overlooking though “He who became weak, that we be made strong.”Jesus specifically tells us the Lord forsook Him while He was on the cross:
Matthew 27:46
And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
This mystery is now solved, what else ya got?
Ain't no Yahavah in the Christian Bible. Why do you keep trying to change God's Name like Satan would do?I can’t tell. It seems as though he knew he was abandoned left on the cross, in order for reconciliation for the whole world, dying for the sins, which did not commit. Giving up his life, for his Father, who was his God. I wonder if Yahavah reminded him of his promises and the hope laid before Jesus before shortly departing from with the Lord, and thus, you have this cry showing it’s happening. Even so, one must consider Jesus and where his heart was. For Yahavah his Father, God of Israel. And For the whole world.
I can’t tell if feelings are involved as much as a will which was getting done which was of the LORD, Yahavah, and his will was being done in all of the mix of those situations.
Some see it as cold. I see it as a picture for us to look at. What happens when we sin, separating from God becomes more apparent.
My wife had moved FAR from the simplistic Bibliolatry we had shared early in our marriage. The seven years drew us closer to EACH OTHER and to a deeper understanding of what a marriage was. Our belief systems, thank God, were firmly in place BEFORE her diagnosis. I'm sure she did "draw closer to God" in a sense, but not in the sense most people here would use that phrase. After her death, the lead sociologist at the cancer center said to me "We were supposed to be here for Bev, but she didn't need us. She taught all of us - doctors, staff, patients - SO MUCH." And what she taught had nothing to do with "witnessing" or "sharing her faith" or anything of that sort.I bet it was because during those seven years of trials of suffering , IT LED HER to draw Closer to GOD .
even paul once wrote
but we had the sentence of death in ourselves , so that we not trust IN OURSELVES BUT IN GOD .
GOD do allow sufferings and trials . Just as HE did upon JOB and scores of others .
TO DRAW US to depending upon and trusting upon HE and HE ALONE and not in us or worldy things .