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What do you think happened at Jesus water baptism? In John 1:31, John the Baptist confirms that one of the primary reasons he was water baptizing in the first place was so that the Messiah be revealed by Jesus' own reception of the Holy Spirit. Jesus did not have the Holy Spirit until his water baptism in which God anointed Jesus with the Spirit and empowered him.

Acts 10
37You yourselves know what has happened throughout Judea, beginning in Galilee with the baptism that John proclaimed: 38how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power, and how Jesus went around doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, because God was with Him.

the One Lord in Ephesians 4:4-6 is the Father and is also the One God who is over all including Jesus.

Ephesians 4
4There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to one hope when you were called; 5one Lord, one faith, one baptism; 6one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.


This doesn't need to be a full blown discussion about water baptism and it's off topic anyway. The matter is that water baptism is a pre-requisite for the reception of the Holy Spirit. Jesus is one example, Acts 2 is another, Acts 19, etc.

Yes I am a true believer and born again. What's your point exactly? Is this where you begin showing your true colors and condemning your debate opponents? I would urge you to please don't do that. Take a breather, relax, and keep this discussion civil. I think if we want to have these sorts of discussions here then the mods really don't want these to get out of hand. Thank you. God bless you!
Bible= Jesus is begotten.
You= "He is created"
Bible = Jesus is God .
You= "my mind refutes the bible."
Jesus said " deny me before men, and I will deny you before the father.
You = " go ahead Jesus make my day"

Deadly gamble

Not worth it.

You need to really really really think about your Gamble.
I'm going to go to heaven from a position of worshiping Jesus and the Father. And then when I go to heaven I'm going to keep worshiping Jesus and the Father.
There is no way, and it is completely impossible, to worship a created being and go to heaven.
You're not even thinking properly
I know you're mental, and you lack the Holy Spirit, but you're not even thinking properly ,because Jesus was worshiped and it was correct.
it was the right thing there was no rebuke whatsoever.
And it is vivid and clear in Hebrews chapter 1 that Jesus is not an angel.
Not a created being.
God the Son Jesus, was begotten.
Man begets a son.
Man creates a statue.
 
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I understand you are going beyond the r word of God. If there was a verse that said what you claimed, you’d provide it.
all I Do is report the word as in heb 1 and John 1.
Then watch you go against the bible.
Over and over.


You have no understand at all about salvation.
Your mental picture is Jesus as a created being,not begotten, without deity , a prophet maybe?( of course that is your conclusion and probably mine also if I had a denying spirit inside me as you do)
Ahem....anti Christ spirit.
( Jesus said deny me before men and I will deny you before the father)

That will be a sad day.
Your energy to rob Jesus of deity.
....where does that come from??????
 
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Jesus is the Holy Spirit, as "Christ IS That Spirit".

What Spirit?

A.) """"God is A Spirit"""

What Jesus received was an endument for service.. an Anointing for the Ministry that lay ahead.

This is what Peter received as well in Acts 2, as he had already received the Holy Spirit in John 20:22




Jesus is the Holy Spirit..>"Christ is that Spirit".

This is why He gave the Holy Spirit to the Apostles in John 20:22

Notice that Jesus told you....>"I have the power to lay my life down and I have the power to take it up again".

Why? Because "Jesus is The Resurrection".. So when Jesus was raised from the dead.. that is "I have the power to take it up again, = His Life... as Jesus "Is the Resurrection".

This is why the Born again are resurrected by Jesus as Jesus who is "the Resurrection" is INSIDE the Born again.

Jesus is "THE Resurrection" Himself.




See that?
That is the ANOINTING for the MINISTRY.......that Jesus received when He was water baptized by JOHH the Baptizer.

That is the same that Peter received in Acts 2:38, yet He was not water baptized in Acts 2.
Jesus is not the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is another name for the Father. The Father is the only true God (John 17:3), God is holy (1 Peter 1:16), and God is Spirit (John 4:24). Thus the father is holy Spirit. Same name for the same person, not an additional person.

Jesus is a human who, post resurrection, said he is not a spirit in Luke 24:39. Additionally, in Matthew 12:32 Jesus said that those who speak a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but not those who speak a word against the Spirit. Therefore, speaking a word against Jesus is not equal to speaking a word against the Spirit because they are not the same person.
 

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Oh yes.
You are 100% correct!!!! But not in your claim!!!!
You have 100% correctly demonstrated how we can leave out the deity verses and convince only watchtowerians and gullible believers that Jesus is not God.
Acts 4:24-27 is sola scripture. It has nothing to do with the watchtower.
Deny Jesus before men.
He will in turn deny you.

Deadly gamble.
Thanks for the advice, but no one has denied Jesus. Jesus being a servant of God does not diminish his status as God's servant.
 

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Nobody I know of except pentecostal oneness says the Gather and Jesus are the same person.

The debate is NOT that Jesus is the Father.
The debate is that both Jesus and the Father are both one and 2 separate persons.
That's correct and I haven't said otherwise.
That truth just kicked out all your verses.
Your opinion doesn't kick verses in the Bible. Are you a Christian?

Your verses flow perfectly with the deity of Jesus.
They do not.

You can NOT reconcile the fact that there was someone with God at creation.
Doesn't say that someone was Jesus though.

John 1 tells us that not only was that person Jesus, but that He was the creator.
1 John 1:1-3 says that in the beginning the Word of Life was a thing.

That is the debate.
Not the side diversion that you are creating.
Nobody I know of with any Knowledge thinks Jesus is the Father ( the invisible God)
You're having a debate about something that I also am not debating. I fully agree Jesus is not the Father (the invisible God.)
 
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Bible= Jesus is begotten.
You= "He is created"
Bible=humans are creatures
Bible=humans were created
Bible=Jesus is the name of the human messiah
Bible = Jesus is God .
Bible=the Father is the only true God
You= "my mind refutes the bible."
I never said that.

Jesus said " deny me before men, and I will deny you before the father.
Amen.

You = " go ahead Jesus make my day"
I didn't say that.

Deadly gamble

Not worth it.
?? ok.
You need to really really really think about your Gamble.
I'm going to go to heaven from a position of worshiping Jesus and the Father. And then when I go to heaven I'm going to keep worshiping Jesus and the Father.
There is no way, and it is completely impossible, to worship a created being and go to heaven.
You're not even thinking properly
I know you're mental, and you lack the Holy Spirit, but you're not even thinking properly ,because Jesus was worshiped and it was correct.
it was the right thing there was no rebuke whatsoever.
And it is vivid and clear in Hebrews chapter 1 that Jesus is not an angel.
Not a created being.
God the Son Jesus, was begotten.
Man begets a son.
Man creates a statue.
Quite a brazen statement. Since the Bible says men are created and you're saying a man is God, The Bible also says that created things treated as though they are God is idolatry. Aren't you the one gambling?
 
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The Holy Spirit is another name for the Father.
If that were so . . . How does the Father send the Holy Spirit? Why does Jesus say that Himself, the Holy Spirit, and the Father would come live in His disciples? This is all over Scripture. Jesus is YHWH of the OT, the Creator God, and our God is Triune.

Much love!
 
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You who claim Jesus is NOT God are on the side of the Jews who wanted to stone Jesus. Plain and simple.
False Alternative. There is not one verse in the Bible that says something like the Jews stone to death God incarnate.

Also, notice that Jesus did not say he is. Rather he referred them to Ps 82:6. Are we all gods or not?
 

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Bible=Jesus is the name of the human messiah
Jesus is the Name given to Emmanuel, being God With Us. This is YHWH of the OT, now 'Iesous of the NT. Emmanuel . . . God with Us.

Consider:

Philippians 2:5-8 KJV
5) Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
6) Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
7) But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
8) And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

Everything here shines out with the pre-existance of Jesus Christ.

"He made Himself of no reputation, and took upon Him the form of a servant." Let's look at these things with a clear mind. He took upon Himself the form of a servant. This means that He was there to take on that form, and before taking on that form . . . He wasn't in that form.

So what does this tell us?

That He was not in the form of a servant, therefore, He was in a different form. What could that form be? If not a servant, was He a rebel? A renegade? Hardly! If not a servant, if not a rebel, then Master? "Who, being in the form of God . . ."

John 13:13 KJV
Ye call me Master and Lord: and ye say well; for so I am.

"He humbled Himself." Meaning, before that, He was not humble. So then was He proud? Arrogant? Or Transcendent?

1 Corinthians 15:47 KJV
The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.

Transcendent.

"And became obedient", I'm sure you are getting the idea by now. Meaning, before becoming obedient, Jesus was something other than obedient. What could that be? Disobedient? Or Sovereign?

Philippians 2:10 KJV
That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

Sovereign.

Again, all of these speak towards His pre-existance, as He became these things, taking on their forms, being made in the likeness of man. The Sovereign God, who was made in the likeness of man, becoming humble, obedient, a servant. Our Savior God.

Let's think about something else here.

Paul appropriated this passage from Isaiah:

Isaiah 45:23 KJV
I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.

Spoken by YHWH, and Paul applies it to Jesus. Can you imagine if Jesus were not YHWH?? Can you imagine that Paul the Apostle would take a passage where God says,

Isaiah 45:20-24 KJV
20) Assemble yourselves and come; draw near together, ye that are escaped of the nations: they have no knowledge that set up the wood of their graven image, and pray unto a god that cannot save.
21) Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me.
22) Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.
23) I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.
24) Surely, shall one say, in the LORD have I righteousness and strength: even to him shall men come; and all that are incensed against him shall be ashamed.

"Hey, it's ME! Only ME! No one else, just ME! I am God, I am Savior, only ME!! And it's to ME that every knee will bow!!"

And Paul says, "to Jesus".

It's like I'm telling you. Forget about all the arguments, these things are all so plainly stated. There's no way around it. Having discussed this with unbelievers for decades, I've only found one real argument against the Trinity, or against the deity of Jesus Christ, only one! It always always comes down to this: "But . . . 1 can't be 3, 3 can't be 1." And that's it! If you let go of that, then you can read all of these passages exactly as they are written, without the need to find some way that this particular place does not actually teach us the deity of Jesus Christ.

Here's one more:

John 8:58 KJV
Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

Here, Jesus is plainly saying, "before Abraham did exist, I do exist." Only someone who is outside of our time continuum can factually make that statement. But such a one, who lives in the eternal, can absolutely make that statement. Jesus, our Eternal God, created this space/time continuum, and is not bound by it's laws, being the Creator God.

Isaiah 44:6-8 KJV
6) Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.
7) And who, as I, shall call, and shall declare it, and set it in order for me, since I appointed the ancient people? and the things that are coming, and shall come, let them shew unto them.
8) Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any.

No one but God Himself is able to tell the future things, even from the ancient past, and He offers this as proof of His deity. In fact this is why I became Christian, when I realized the Bible came from Outside. He said things no one could have known. The prophecies.

Before Abraham did exist, before his historical existence, Jesus does exist. Before Abraham did exist in the past, Jesus does exist in the present. That's a real mind-bender, except, there is in fact Someone of Whom this can be truthfully said. The Creator God.

I want you to notice something.

You are presenting to me arguments to convince me that what seems to be the clear and plain reading of various passages isn't valid.

I'm presenting to you arguments that what seems to be the clear and plain reading should be accepted as valid.

Much love!
 
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Jesus is not the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is another name for the Father.


Let me show you ...

"God is A Spirit"..... (not just "spirit" ... as the somewhat false or mostly false bibles teach).

"Jesus is THAT Spirit"..


Look again.. @Runningman

"God breathed into Adam, and Adam LIVED".... became ALIVE. Gen 2:7

"Jesus Breathed on the 11 Apostles, and said receive you, the Holy Spirit". John 20:22

See that?

A.) Only GOD can give the Holy Spirit, because Only GOD is the Holy Spirit, and Jesus gave it to the Apostles, exactly like God gave it to Adam.
 

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Your flexibility of what someone's name is is something to behold.
You frequently seem to post so you can bring some crappy little personal comment. Something for you to think about.

Just the same, He was called both Immanuel - God with us - and 'Iesous.

Much love!
 

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Let me show you ...

"God is A Spirit"..... (not just "spirit" ... as the somewhat false or mostly false bibles teach).
Every version I have seen doesn't have the letter there, saying that God is Spirit. The KJV has an A, but I am not a a KJV-onlyist.
"Jesus is THAT Spirit"..
Not according to Luke 24:39 and Matthew 12:32
Look again.. @Runningman

"God breathed into Adam, and Adam LIVED".... became ALIVE. Gen 2:7

"Jesus Breathed on the 11 Apostles, and said receive you, the Holy Spirit". John 20:22

See that?

A.) Only GOD can give the Holy Spirit, because Only GOD is the Holy Spirit, and Jesus gave it to the Apostles, exactly like God gave it to Adam.
Only God can do that. Jesus of course had to ask God to do that.

Luke 11
13So if you who are evil know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him!”

John 14
16And I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Advocate to be with you forever—

Of course there are examples of people getting the Holy Spirit at their water baptism or the laying on of hands. Jesus didn't have the Holy Spirit before his water baptism.
 
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The following quotes show that the doctrine of the Trinity was indeed alive-and-well before the Council of Nicea:

Polycarp (70-155/160). Bishop of Smyrna. Disciple of John the Apostle.

“O Lord God almighty . . . I bless you and glorify you through the eternal and heavenly high priest Jesus Christ, your beloved Son, through whom be glory to you, with Him and the Holy Spirit, both now and forever” (n. 14, ed. Funk; PG 5.1040).

Justin Martyr (100?-165?). He was a Christian apologist and martyr.

“For, in the name of God, the Father and Lord of the universe, and of our Savior Jesus Christ, and of the Holy Spirit, they then receive the washing with water” (First Apol., LXI).

Ignatius of Antioch (died 98/117). Bishop of Antioch. He wrote much in defense of Christianity.

“In Christ Jesus our Lord, by whom and with whom be glory and power to the Father with the Holy Spirit for ever” (n. 7; PG 5.988).
“We have also as a Physician the Lord our God Jesus the Christ the only-begotten Son and Word, before time began, but who afterwards became also man, of Mary the virgin. For ‘the Word was made flesh.’ Being incorporeal, He was in the body; being impassible, He was in a passable body; being immortal, He was in a mortal body; being life, He became subject to corruption, that He might free our souls from death and corruption, and heal them, and might restore them to health, when they were diseased with ungodliness and wicked lusts.” (Alexander Roberts and James Donaldson, eds., The ante-Nicene Fathers, Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1975 rpt., Vol. 1, p. 52, Ephesians 7.)

Irenaeus (115-190). As a boy he listened to Polycarp, the disciple of John. He became Bishop of Lyons.

“The Church, though dispersed throughout the whole world, even to the ends of the earth, has received from the apostles and their disciples this faith: . . . one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all things that are in them; and in one Christ Jesus, the Son of God, who became incarnate for our salvation; and in the Holy Spirit, who proclaimed through the prophets the dispensations of God, and the advents, and the birth from a virgin, and the passion, and the resurrection from the dead, and the ascension into heaven in the flesh of the beloved Christ Jesus, our Lord, and His manifestation from heaven in the glory of the Father ‘to gather all things in one,’ and to raise up anew all flesh of the whole human race, in order that to Christ Jesus, our Lord, and God, and Savior, and King, according to the will of the invisible Father, ‘every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth, and that every tongue should confess; to him, and that He should execute just judgment towards all . . . ‘” (Against Heresies X.l)

Tertullian (160-215). African apologist and theologian. He wrote much in defense of Christianity.

“We define that there are two, the Father and the Son, and three with the Holy Spirit, and this number is made by the pattern of salvation . . . [which] brings about unity in trinity, interrelating the three, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. They are three, not in dignity, but in degree, not in substance but in form, not in power but in kind. They are of one substance and power, because there is one God from whom these degrees, forms and kinds devolve in the name of Father, Son and Holy Spirit.” (Adv. Prax. 23; PL 2.156-7).

Origen (185-254). Alexandrian theologian. Defended Christianity and wrote much about Christianity.

“If anyone would say that the Word of God or the Wisdom of God had a beginning, let him beware lest he direct his impiety rather against the unbegotten Father, since he denies that he was always Father, and that he has always begotten the Word, and that he always had wisdom in all previous times or ages or whatever can be imagined in priority . . . There can be no more ancient title of almighty God than that of Father, and it is through the Son that he is Father” (De Princ. 1.2.; PG 11.132).

“For if [the Holy Spirit were not eternally as He is, and had received knowledge at some time and then became the Holy Spirit] this were the case, the Holy Spirit would never be reckoned in the unity of the Trinity, i.e., along with the unchangeable Father and His Son, unless He had always been the Holy Spirit.” (Alexander Roberts and James Donaldson, eds., The Ante-Nicene Fathers, Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1975 rpt., Vol. 4, p. 253, de Principiis, 1.111.4)

“Moreover, nothing in the Trinity can be called greater or less, since the fountain of divinity alone contains all things by His word and reason, and by the Spirit of His mouth sanctifies all things which are worthy of sanctification . . . ” (Roberts and Donaldson, Ante-Nicene Fathers, Vol. 4, p. 255, de Principii., I. iii. 7).

Conclusion​

If, as the anti-Trinitarians maintain, the Trinity is not a biblical doctrine and was never taught until the council of Nicea in 325, then why do these quotes exist? The answer is simple: the Trinity is a biblical doctrine, and it was taught before the council of Nicea in 325 A.D.

Well in a sense you are right. The word Trinity <trinitas> was used, pretty early on but without a concise definition. The one God formula came out of the Ecumenical Councils and it was not about accuracy or the truth it was about a fix all answer to stop the disagreements, the whole one belief thing and it had to be enforced upon pain of excommunication or death because it was an unpopular belief not only among the common Christians but most the Christian leaders at the Ecumenical Councils. 4th century

They were not concerned with the formula skewing the meaning of the scriptures....there was no Bible yet....People would not have Bibles in their hands until the 16th century.
 
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Every version I have seen doesn't have the letter there, saying that God is Spirit. The KJV has an A, but I am not a a KJV-onlyist.

Well, you've not seem them all.

God is A Spirit.

Why does that matter, vs "god is spirit".

Because "A" Spirit is THE Holy Spirit.........whereas "is spirit', is what? A Dogs, Cat? Human?

The DEVIL has a Spirit.. the Unholy Spirit, the Demonic Spirit.

So, if a Bible does not make the Distinction between "A Spirit" and "Spirit" then that book, has not classified God's Spirit, as different then the Devils, or a Dogs.

Understand..

That verse is one of way you find out if your Bible is really a bible., vs just some translation junk that says "NEW" on it.


Only God can do that. Jesus of course had to ask God to do that.

Yet Jesus did it in John 20:22, and He didnt ask God's Permission.
Who would God in the Flesh, need to Ask God the Father for permission to give the Holy Spirit.

You need to think..

Luke 11
13So if you who are evil know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him!”


He wont give it to a continuing Unbeliever who "asks him" but the Devil will give you something instead.

See, The HS< is given to those who BELIEVE....... as after they do, the HS gives them the New Birth "in Christ".

John 14
16And I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Advocate to be with you forever—

And That is Acts 2, that is being referred to...

Yet, in John 20:22, Jesus gaVe the Holy Spirit to the 11 Apostles.. and He did it, as you find God The Father doing it for Adam, in Gen 2:7

Jesus didn't have the Holy Spirit before his water baptism.

Jesus is the Holy Spirit. "Christ is THAT Spirit".

Remember = He is ALSO = Jesus THE Christ ....before He died.
 
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Seems we cannot be on the same page when I am talking about his name and you are talking about what he is called AS IF that is the same thing.

Make A Blessed Day!
Matthew 1:23 KJV
Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

Have you known anyone with more than one name? I don't have an issue with that myself.

Much love!
 
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Was his name Emmanuel or Jesus?

Your flexibility of what someone's name is is something to behold.
Joseph, the man was told

Mathew 1: 21 She will bear a Son; and you shall call His name Jesus, for [w]He will save His people from their sins.”
Mathew 1:23 “Behold, the virgin shall be with child and shall bear a Son, and they shall call His name [y]Immanuel,” which translated means, “God with us.”

And here is another.
Matthew 1:16 Jacob was the father of Joseph the husband of Mary, by whom Jesus was born, who is called [p]the Messiah.
 

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Matthew 1:23 KJV
Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

Have you known anyone with more than one name? I don't have an issue with that myself.

Much love!
Wrangler has 2 that I know of.

I have 2 that Wrangler knows... but in truth I have many.

A traditional wife takes the husbands name. An enlightened one either keeps the maiden or
will hyphenate.

But here is one you know.
Saul became Paul.