Lizbeth
Well-Known Member
What I think is that this is just more false assumptions and accusations to deflect from truths and scriptures that people are bringing that don't line up with your false gospel which you are unable to answer and address.I think we all know our positions and how they differ. There will always be a spectrum when it comes to understanding the bible., There are different depths to understanding....or not understanding. As for me...I'm amazed that anyone can't see what is so obvious. For example.
"And if some of the branches be broken off, and you, being a wild olive tree, were grafted in among them, and with them partakes of the root and fatness of the olive tree; Boast not against the branches. But if you boast, you bears not the root, but the root thee. You will say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in. Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not you." Rom 11
Here is another example of we Gentiles being no different than the Israelites and Jews before us. We are all human after all. I think it is arrogant in the extreme to think we are better than the people who went before us. We have the very same challenge that the bible testimony can help us with...if we are humble and teachable.
And most will skim over the "fear" admonitions without giving it a second thought...a real disaster. Few obey the scriptures or align their thinking with the gospel...and the truth.
So then what do others here think??? Let's hear from others....
And since you ask, I also think that you might need to examine whether your need to defend the Jews from imagined slights is born of God or of self-righteousness. Ironic, because all those parables and warnings that Jesus made were to the unbelieving Jews. (first) The narrow path that few will find.....Jesus is that narrow path that few out of all Israel who Jesus was walking among would find. He, the sheepgate that they could enter the fold no other way. Parable of the the ten virgins also....warning and speaking to the Jews of that day....the door closed on that generation and their destruction came in 70 AD. His words till speak to and admonish the Jews today, so why don't you stop being preferential and go and accuse them?
And since you are so keen to change the subject and talk about Israel/Jews now, and who is "preferred", you better familiarize yourself with this passage, lest you be too sentimental regarding them:
Rom 9:6
Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
For this is the word of promise, At this time will I come, and Sara shall have a son.
And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac;
(For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth) ;
It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.
As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.
For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.
Now before you go looking for more excuses to accuse falsely, if we have the Spirit of God we understand that love and hate here are not in a literal sense. And it is for God to judge the Jews, not we mere mortals who are ourselves subject to His judgment. They are certainly loved for the sake of the faithful patriarchs, being their progeny. But also, don't forget that they are enemies for the gospel's sake, this is also very true...they persecuted the early believers horribly and believers in Israel today are often mistreated to the point of losing livelihoods and to the point of the police ignoring injustices against them. Don't be surprised if severe persecution arises again towards the end. But....love your enemies and do good to them, amen.
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