Christianity is "hollow shell of a religion"

[Christina]

CAIRO, Egypt - An American thought to be an al-Qaida activist appeared in a videotape with the terror group's deputy leader Saturday and called on his countrymen to convert to Islam and for U.S. soldiers to switch sides in the Iraq and Afghan wars.The 48-minute video, posted on an Islamic militant Web site, had footage of al-Qaida's No. 2 leader, Ayman al-Zawahri, and of Adam Yehiye Gadahn, a 28-year-old American who the FBI believes attended al-Qaida training camps in Pakistan and served as an al-Qaida translator.It was the second time Gadahn appeared in the same video with al-Zawahri. In a July 7 video marking the one-year anniversary of the terror attack on London commuters, Gadahn appeared briefly, saying no Muslim should "shed tears" for Westerners killed by al-Qaida attacks.But Saturday's video _ and the length of Gadahn's speech _ suggested al-Qaida has found in him someone who can communicate effectively with Americans.Appearing days before the fifth anniversary of the Sept. 11 terror attacks on the U.S., Gadahn spoke for nearly the entire video, wearing a white robe and a white turban, sitting in front of a desk with a computer and Islamic religious books in a room with a white wall.The video included no direct threats of terror attacks.Gadahn delivered a lecture on Islam and the "errors" in Christianity and Judaism. He also said the United States is losing the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and told U.S. soldiers they are fighting President Bush's "crusades.""Instead of killing yourself for Bush ... why not surrender to the truth (of Islam), escape from the unbelieving army and join the winning side. Time is running out so make the right choice before it's too late," he said.Al-Zawahri gave only a brief introduction to the video, calling on Americans to convert to Islam."To the American people and the people of the West in general ... God sent his Prophet Muhammad with guidance and the religion of truth ... and sent him as a herald," he said.The CIA said it had conducted a technical review on the videotape and concluded the voice is al-Zawahri's. A CIA spokeswoman said the agency is not authorized to conduct such analysis on U.S. citizens such as Gadahn.White House spokeswoman Christie Parell said the message reflects al-Qaida's "continued attempts to subjugate the world under its twisted view of Islam, which labels as enemies and infidels those who do not have the same beliefs."Little is known about Gadahn's role in al-Qaida. A Californian who converted to Islam, he disappeared soon after the Sept. 11 attacks. In 2004, the FBI announced it was seeking Gadahn in connection with possible terrorist threats against the U.S., but adding it did not have information linking him to any specific terror activities."You know that if you die as an unbeliever in battle against the Muslims you're going straight to Hell without passing 'Go,'" Gadahn said on the video, addressing American soldiers. "You know you're considered by Bush and his bunch of warmongers as nothing more than expendable cannon fodder ... You know they couldn't care less about your safety and well-being.""We send a special invitation (to convert to Islam) to all of you fighting Bush's crusader pipe dream in Afghanistan, Iraq and wherever else 'W' has sent you to die. You know the war can't be won," he said, using Bush's nickname.Gadahn also urged other Americans to convert to Islam."It is time for the unbelievers to discard these incoherent and illogical beliefs," he said. "Isn't it the time for the Christians, Jews, Buddhists and atheists to cast off the cloak of the spiritual darkness which enshrouds them and emerge into the light of Islam?"Gadahn and al-Zawahri appeared in separate parts of the video, which was released by al-Qaida's production wing, As-Sahab. Gadahn spoke with his face uncovered, resembling FBI photos, with his name and nom de guerre _ "Azzam the American" _ written in titles in Arabic and English next to him. Arabic subtitles translated his comments.Besides the July 7 video, Gadahn is believed to be a masked figure who appeared in two previous videos not officially from al-Qaida, one given to ABC television in 2004 and another a few days before the fourth anniversary of the Sept. 11 attacks.In the 2005 tape, the speaker _ who had black cloth draped over his face, leaving only his eyes visible _ threatened new terror attacks in Los Angeles and Melbourne, Australia. The 2004 tape praised the Sept. 11 attacks and said a new wave of attacks could come at any moment.Much of Gadahn's latest speech was dedicated to urging Americans to convert to Islam, and he dotted it with fluently recited Arabic verses from the Quran and stories from Islamic history.He denounced Christianity as a "hollow shell of a religion, whose followers cling to an empty faith and a false conviction in their own salvation.""It is time for the unbelievers to discard these incoherent and illogical beliefs," he said. "We invite all Americans and other unbelievers to Islam, wherever they are."

 

[Christina]

He denounced Christianity as a "hollow shell of a religion, whose followers cling to an empty faith and a false conviction in their own salvation.""It is time for the unbelievers to discard these incoherent and illogical beliefs," he said. "We invite all Americans and other unbelievers to Islam, wherever they are."---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------This is what so called terriosm is really all about to convert the world to Islam they have stated they are willing to bring on the apocaylpse (according to Irans leader) to make it happen

 

[BernieEOD]

Could they be right? The abortion rate, teen pregnancy rate, divorce rate, drug use, and other vices within the Church is little different than that on the outside. Sorry, but when Bush invaded Iraq and boasted about how every nation WILL convert to Democracy or face our wrath, HE is the one who launched this "Crusade".Neocon pastors jumped onto the bandwagon.- Dobson allowed the neocon chickenhawk Sean Hennedy to appear on his radio program and proclaim "God has blessed this nation with the most powerful military that has ever existed and we do not use it to killl every dictator in the world and liberate the Earth, Gos will judge this nation!"- Another Pastor proclaimed that our "Christian Army must not stop in Iraq but must purge the entire Middle East of that stench called Islam and then go into China and not stop until the entire world is united under the falg of America and Cross of Christ.- A Church i walked out of was singing "Onward Christian Soldiers" While projecting images of Americn troops rolling through Bagdad.For every message of "Convert or Die" they broadcast, we have our own to them demanding "Adopt out godless ways or get samrt bombed"

 

[Christina]

How easy Gods word and have you forget 9/11 [.Quote]are they right you ask that borders on blasphomy why do you question Gods word and plan at every turn? I must ask if you are muslim from all your posts on this site that continullay defend these enemys of God word you bad moth everything about America,its people,its government,its churches,its christains,Isreal,if we do anything you critize ityou defendMuslims.Iran,quran,the middle east terriorists,if they do anything you defend itN.Korea, if they attack or faith you justifiy it,what do you suggest we do stay home and talk about it while they destroy us

 

[BernieEOD]

9-11 pales in comparison to what the USAF did to Dresdyn, Berlin, Colonge, Tokyo, Osaka, Pyonyang, Hanoi, Hiaphong Bagdad, Belgrade, Bagdad again. When we bomb cities killing innocent civilians by the tens of thousands, we call it "Strategic Bombing" When they return the favor, we call it terrorism.Right now, it is WE who are demanding the world adopt our godless decadent ways or get bombed. WE are the ones who are imposing our ways upon others."They" cannot destroy us. Can you open a Janes book of fighting ships and show me the vast armada that would be required to transport the hundreds of thousands of enforcers that would be needed to force all of us to bow towards Mecca?Our own abortion clinics kill more American babies than any so called terroristOur own drug dealers poison more Americans than anybody's chemical weaponsOur own sexual imorality infescts more American than anybody's bio weaponsCan you open your Bible and show me where we are called upon to bomb people into submission?To tear down authority and replace it with our permissivness?Where in Gods plan does it say we are to invoke a gospel of bombs and bullets?Where in Gods plan are we to tear down authority and impose our high crime, sexual imorality, and godless materialism?Show me anywhere in the Bible where democracy or "The will of the people" is spoken of favorably much less called for and worse yet, something to go to war for. Every time you bless the bombs we drop on Bagdad, I will present a rebuttalEvery time you talk about how good we are and how evil they are, I will remind you that the word of God warns "There are none rightous, not a one"Every time you claim that Jesus flies the American flag, I will refute it.There is no gospel of bombs & bullets

 

[BernieEOD]

you bad moth everything about America,its people,its government,its churches,its christains,Isreal,if we do anything you critize it(quote)Well... It is "The people" who are too lazy to work and want to continue importing slaves to do the work they are too proud to do."The People" demand cheap gas without any oil wells in thier back yard"The People" Want abundant electricity without any nuclear power plants or smoke stacksAs far as Christians are concerned, which ones? The liberal condom tossing baby killing Christians who claim Christ says it is now ok? Or the flop and twitch counterfit revivalists?How about the poligamists who kidnap 12 year old girls in the name of God and force them to marry 40 year old men? reffering to?

 

[Christina]

See there again you only condem us what about them raising their children in hate to be suicide bombers isnt that the same as abortion what matter if you kill babes before there born or when they are 16,what about them killing inocent people by hiding among civilians what about them beheading woman and men of their own faith for sport because a woman went out shopping without a man by her sidewhat about young girls being forced into marriage at 12 in Islamic countrieswhat about girls not being allowed to go to schoolwomen cant work to support their children even if their husbands are killedThere is corruption in the whole world thats my point that is why we are in the end times and God will make us choose sides good or eviland if you dont start reconizing the evil in all when you see it you are in danger of chosing the wrong side you cant defend evil on one side and condem it on the other side you are either against all evil or your not

 

[BernieEOD]

what about them killing inocent people by hiding among civilians what about them beheading woman and men of their own faith for sport because a woman went out shopping without a man by her sidewhat about young girls being forced into marriage at 12 in Islamic countries(Quote)Once again, the USAF has killed far more civilians than all terrorists organisations combined. If they hate us, it is because since the end of WW2, WE have had our hands in that region. Either we had Enron executives suckering them out of thier oil or liberals trying to impose abortion, gay rights, condoms for kids, and other aspects of our godless decadencs upon them.Once again, Christ DOES NOT FLY AN AMERICAN FLAG! This idea that WE are on the side of God and they are of the devil is wrong. "There are none rightious! Not a one!" That is the word of God. There is no room for "We are good, they are evil"At least thier 12 year olds are married, ours are raped and have the babies aborted.As far as thier tactics, it would be interesting to see how we would react when our enemies have wonder weapons and we don't.While thier fundamentalism is not the answer to our decadence, our godlessness is not the answer to thier problem either. THERE IS NO GOSPEL OF BOMBS & BULLETSEvery time you talk about how good we are and how evil they ar, I will rebut it

 

[BernieEOD]

The root cause of 9-11 is ugly Americanism. The arrogant belief that we ar soo right that the world needs to do things our way. We have toppled governemnts and installed our own puppets, we have sucjered them out of their oil, we have tried to force our social agendas down thier throats. It is foolish to believe that the amswer to this problem is to force more ugly Americanism down the throats of more nations using military force where in the past we have used underhanded manipulation. It is not us they hate, it is our policies.When Christ returns, he will not recognise any national, institutional, or any human made boundries. He will not say "All Americans to my right and all Muslims to my left"Our current state of arogance will not go unpumished, there is no gospel of bombs & bullets.

 

[Christina]

019: Egypt shall be a desolation, and Edom shall be a desolate wilderness, for the violence against the children of Judah, because they have shed innocent blood in their land.

 

[Christina]

Psalms, Chapter 83 001: A Song or Psalm of Asaph. Keep not thou silence, O God: hold not thy peace, and be not still, O God. 002: For, lo, thine enemies make a tumult: and they that hate thee have lifted up the head. 003: They have taken crafty counsel against thy people, and consulted against thy hidden ones. 004: They have said, Come, and let us cut them off from being a nation; that the name of Israel may be no more in remembrance. 005: For they have consulted together with one consent: they are confederate against thee: 006: The tabernacles of Edom, and the Ishmaelites; of Moab, and the Hagarenes; 007: Gebal, and Ammon, and Amalek; the Philistines with the inhabitants of Tyre; 008: Assur also is joined with them: they have holpen the children of Lot. Selah. 009: Do unto them as unto the Midianites; as to Sisera, as to Jabin, at the brook of Kison: 010: Which perished at Endor: they became as dung for the earth. 011: Make their nobles like Oreb, and like Zeeb: yea, all their princes as Zebah, and as Zalmunna: 012: Who said, Let us take to ourselves the houses of God in possession. 013: O my God, make them like a wheel; as the stubble before the wind. 014: As the fire burneth a wood, and as the flame setteth the mountains on fire; 015: So persecute them with thy tempest, and make them afraid with thy storm. 016: Fill their faces with shame; that they may seek thy name, O LORD. 017: Let them be confounded and troubled for ever; yea, let them be put to shame, and perish: 018: That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth.

 

[BernieEOD]

America is not Isreal, this covenant is a dead covenant. No longer does God do his work through a "Chosen nation"It is arrogant to believe that America and Christ are joined at the hip and that we have a Christian duty to liberate the world into out apostasy.There is no Gospel of Bombs and bullets.

 

[BernieEOD]

Then we are in big trouble for the USAF has murdered more innocent civilians than all of the so called terrorist organizations combined

 

[BernieEOD]

Taking OT passages and applying them to our current situation is dangerous.Jerimiahs Prophecy against Egypt was against Egypt at that moment in time. To declare that this prophecy is US carrying out God's punishment upon Them as we continue to rot in our own decadence is arrogant and dangerous.

 

[Christina]

its from Joel chapter 3 and is speaking of the lords day which is future 014: Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision: for the day of the LORD is near in the valley of decision. 015: The sun and the moon shall be darkened, and the stars shall withdraw their shining. 016: The LORD also shall roar out of Zion, and utter his voice from Jerusalem; and the heavens and the earth shall shake: but the LORD will be the hope of his people, and the strength of the children of Israel. 017: So shall ye know that I am the LORD your God dwelling in Zion, my holy mountain: then shall Jerusalem be holy, and there shall no strangers pass through her any more. 018: And it shall come to pass in that day, that the mountains shall drop down new wine, and the hills shall flow with milk, and all the rivers of Judah shall flow with waters, and a fountain shall come forth of the house of the LORD, and shall water the valley of Shittim. 019: Egypt shall be a desolation, and Edom shall be a desolate wilderness, for the violence against the children of Judah, because they have shed innocent blood in their land. 020: But Judah shall dwell for ever, and Jerusalem from generation to generation. 021: For I will cleanse their blood that I have not cleansed: for the LORD dwelleth in Zion.

 

[BernieEOD]

If you are trying to say that it is our bombs and bullets that will inflict these judgements, you are wrong. Nothing you have presented confirms a gospel of bombs and bullets.You have yet to find Scriptural justification for us bombing the world into submission.

 

[Christina]

long before IraqThe 1983 Beirut barracks bombing was a major incident during the Lebanese Civil War. Two truck bombs struck buildings in Beirut housing U.S. and French members of the Multinational Force in Lebanon, killing hundreds of soldiers, the majority being U.S. Marines. The October 23, 1983, blasts led to the withdrawal of the international peacekeeping force from Lebanon, where they had been stationed since the Israeli invasion in 1982, and it is considered one of the first instances of suicide bombinghttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_Beirut_barracks_bombing

 

[Christina]

Im not trying to justify anything I am trying to make you understand that God controlls the nations to fit his plan and that even if you were the president of the U.S. he would have put it into your heart/head to do the same thing Bush has done if that is part of his planto expose the enemys of God (Islamic extremists) so Christains and Jews would be warned that the end time war of good and evil is coming upon us.

 

[BernieEOD]

The enemies of God are not limited to islamic extremists. We, with our sexual imorality, drug use, abortion, and other vices are no better. In fac, we are worse because the islamic extremists can only destroy bodies where our godless decadence destroys the spirit and leaves the body. There is no Scriptural basis for your dec;aration that "We" are the people of God and "They" Are the enemies of God. You cannot say that it is Gods will that we Bomb them into Submission. it is our own arrogance that we do this, not the will of god and god will not allow our arrogance to go unpunished.

 

[Christina]

The enemy of God is Satan and he influences the earth and those in the flesh not in any one country everywhere Satan is the disease ungodleyness is the symptom all the things you are angry about drugs, abortion ect are just symptoms of the disease (Satans influence)all the things you are always bring up are not unforgivable sins and anyone who gets an abortion or does drugs or joins a cult can ask for forgivness in the name of Christ and it is forgottenThe death of the soul can only happen once at judgement day and the unforgivable sin is if you declare aligance to Satan which is what Islam extremists are doing thats why they are Gods enemy how do we know this? God foretold us all things1.I dont say America is right - I say God controlls nations2.you are angry about the symptoms - I say reconize the disease of Satans influence 3.the Jews are Gods people -any one that wants them destroyed is Gods enemy and anyone that tries to destroy them will be destroyed4.youre angry with Christains-I say they are lost sheep because the preachers/teachers have led them astray and we dont have authority to judge them God does they need prayers not condemation5.you say you hate those who sin- I say hate the sin not the sinner6.you say we dont have the right to bomb-I say God is in controll and we dont have the right to question what he has ordained and we dont know what that plan is. if he didnt ordain the bullets and bombs for anybody its up to him to judge those whom he choses not you and me7.The war is between God and Satan (good and evil) and each will get worse before it gets better the closer it gets the more evil Satan will bring the more Saints and elect God will raise and anyone thats luke warm will be lost in the battle I am telling you what I have always been trying to tell you stop battling the sinners in the middle,condeming the syptoms, forget the past it doesnt matter it was what it was, the future is all that matters and if you dont want to get lost in the middle learn who the real enemys of God are today(those who want to destroy his people the Jews) its not the sinners they can repent in an instant its Satans Army hidding behind and hijacking the Islam religion just as the elect are hidding behind the Christain religion untill the time is at hand.