How Many Of You Celebrate Christmas?

[judd]

I was born into this christmas celebration. Is december 25th the true date of the birth of Jesus Christ?

 

[Selene]

I was born into this christmas celebration. Is december 25th the true date of the birth of Jesus Christ?

Hello Judd,

No, December 25th is not the true date of the birth of Christ. His true birthdate was lost somewhere in the annuals of time. Nevertheless, December 25th was set aside as a day to celebrate His birthdate. Despite that it is not His true birthday, I see nothing wrong in choosing a date to remember the day He came into this world incarnate as a man.

In Christ,
Selene

 

[TexUs]

I was born into this christmas celebration. Is december 25th the true date of the birth of Jesus Christ?

We even have documents from the 4th and 5th centuries of people that have no idea when he was born, so very early on: nobody knew. It's not surprising because keep in mind, celebrating birthdays was not something the Jews ever did, they had no reason to document it.

Most likely it was in the early fall (September or so). Reasoning for that is his ministry ended at Passover (Which was in the spring), and Daniel prophesied he'd minister for 3.5 years... So simply do the figuring and you can see it was around September (different calendars and such in use... It's impossible to be exact).
You can also deduce his age and such (Born 4BC) from things like this but again, nothing is very exact.

 

[HammerStone]

The short answer is December 25th is not the birthday of Christ. For a simple illustration of why its not, I point to the shepherds out in the field at the birth of Christ. This would not be the case in December in the region. I personally feel the date is in September based on some reckoning with the courses of the priests but others put in in the spring time.

 

[tomwebster]

Hello Judd,

No, December 25th is not the true date of the birth of Christ. His true birthdate was lost somewhere in the annuals of time. Nevertheless, December 25th was set aside as a day to celebrate His birthdate. Despite that it is not His true birthday, I see nothing wrong in choosing a date to remember the day He came into this world incarnate as a man.

In Christ,
Selene

Christ's birthdate is not lost, it's in Scripture. He was born our September 29. December 25 is the date of His conception. Do a search of this forum and you will be able to read several studies on this topic.

 

[Selene]

Christ's birthdate is not lost, it's in Scripture. He was born our September 29. December 25 is the date of His conception. Do a search of this forum and you will be able to read several studies on this topic.

Where in Scripture does it say that Jesus was born in September 29th?

 

[tomwebster]

Where in Scripture does it say that Jesus was born in September 29th?

Luke

 

[Selene]

Luke

Luke? What chapter and verse does it say that our Lord was born on September 29th?

 

[tomwebster]

Luke? What chapter and verse does it say that our Lord was born on September 29th?

Did you do the search of the forum I suggested? The answer is here if you want to learn.

 

[Selene]

Did you do the search of the forum I suggested? The answer is here if you want to learn.

Hello tomwebster,

No, I did not search the forum for it. Could you give me the chapter and verse of Luke where it says that Jesus was born on September 29th because I cannot find it anywhere in the Gospel of Luke.

In Christ,
Selene

 

[TexUs]

Luke

An answer I'd expect from someone that has absolutely 0 proof.

 

[tomwebster]

An answer I'd expect from someone that has absolutely 0 proof.

T, did you do a search of this forum, the answer has beeen taught several times over the years. You will also find the answer in Luke "if" you are willing to study. Are you willing to study? Of course, if you are looking for the word "September" like some are, you will have trouble finding it.

I'll give you a starting place, read Luke 1.

 

[TexUs]

T, did you do a search of this forum, the answer has beeen taught several times over the years. You will also find the answer in Luke "if" you are willing to study. Are you willing to study? Of course, if you are looking for the word "September" like some are, you will have trouble finding it.

I'll give you a starting place, read Luke 1.

I did Google it and the entire methodology is based on a TON of assumptions, which Scripture doesn't support.

So once more answer the actual question. Where in the Bible is September 29th listed?

 

[tomwebster]

I did Google it and the entire methodology is based on a TON of assumptions, which Scripture doesn't support.

So once more answer the actual question. Where in the Bible is September 29th listed?

The studies are here on CB so you need to do a search of CB. Read these old posts:

gervais
http://www.christianityboard.com/topic/11501-the-birth-of-christ-december-25th/page__p__76312__hl__%2Bcourse+%2Bzacharias%2C+%2B__fromsearch__1#entry76312

Study I entered a long time ago, when the forum was on a different server so the formatting might not be correct any more. http://www.christianityboard.com/topic/8859-christmas-what-is-it/page__p__61634__hl__%2Bcourse+%2Bzacharias%2C+%2B__fromsearch__1#entry61634

 

[TexUs]

The studies are here on CB so you need to do a search of CB. Read these old posts:

gervais
http://www.christian...h__1#entry76312

Study I entered a long time ago, when the forum was on a different server so the formatting might not be correct any more. http://www.christian...h__1#entry61634

Ah, so it doesn't.

Alright, I'm trying to humor this but I haven't gotten very far and I see some assumptions made that I don't see in the Bible.
1) Each priest serving a week and changing out on the Sabbath (Is this referenced elsewhere in the OT?)
2) The first course starting a week after the Feast of the Tabernacles

And from there the issues become... What's the methodology of dating between the Hebrew calendar and ours? Seems to be more assumptions, maybe this was already researched and accurate, but it's just stated as fact.

Perhaps if you could clear those starting assumptions up it'd warrant additional research but it's pretty fruitless to continue studying when your entire dating starts from these points: and if they are wrong or just assumptions, disproves the entire theory.

 

[tomwebster]

Ah, so it doesn't.

Alright, I'm trying to humor this but I haven't gotten very far and I see some assumptions made that I don't see in the Bible.
1) Each priest serving a week and changing out on the Sabbath (Is this referenced elsewhere in the OT?)
2) The first course starting a week after the Feast of the Tabernacles

And from there the issues become... What's the methodology of dating between the Hebrew calendar and ours? Seems to be more assumptions, maybe this was already researched and accurate, but it's just stated as fact.

Perhaps if you could clear those starting assumptions up it'd warrant additional research but it's pretty fruitless to continue studying when your entire dating starts from these points: and if they are wrong or just assumptions, disproves the entire theory.

Apparently you didn’t read the information on the Course of Abia in gervais’ study but instead you want me to do it for you. Do you know which calendar the Hebrews used? There are common dates in there calendar and ours. Do you know what they are?

 

[TexUs]

Apparently you didn’t read the information on the Course of Abia in gervais’ study but instead you want me to do it for you. Do you know which calendar the Hebrews used? There are common dates in there calendar and ours. Do you know what they are?

That's what I was reading and that's where the assumptions were made.
As I said, I didn't even get very far before I have to have these assumptions addressed.

 

[tomwebster]

That's what I was reading and that's where the assumptions were made.
As I said, I didn't even get very far before I have to have these assumptions addressed.

I don't know what assumptions you are referring to. The courses for the Leviticus Priesthood are facts, they were divided into courses and they served in the same courses every year, year in and year out. You can read about them in 1 Chronicles 24. The course of Abia was always at the same time of the year. And their calendar always started on the same day of the solar year, the spring equinox.

Read my old post from the Companion Bible for additional information.

 

[TexUs]

I don't know what assumptions you are referring to. The courses for the Leviticus Priesthood are facts, they were divided into courses and they served in the same courses every year, year in and year out. You can read about them in 1 Chronicles 24. The course of Abia was always at the same time of the year. And their calendar always started on the same day of the solar year, the spring equinox.

Read my old post from the Companion Bible for additional information.

Yes, 1 Chronicles 24 establishes the order and that's about it. My question is one that pertains to the most important aspects... The timing.

Where's it say they changed every week? No scripture reference was provided.
Where's it say the courses reset after the Feast of the Tabernacles? No scripture reference was provided.

 

[tomwebster]

Yes, 1 Chronicles 24 establishes the order and that's about it. My question is one that pertains to the most important aspects... The timing.

Where's it say they changed every week? No scripture reference was provided.
Where's it say the courses reset after the Feast of the Tabernacles? No scripture reference was provided.

That is what the courses were T. The course of Abia will lead someone with understanding to the proper birthdate of Christ. It is all a part of rightly dividing the Truth. And the same type of deep study will help a person discover far more closely the timing of the end.