Ferris Bueller
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You didn't answer the question.
Then why the concern about anti-Osas?
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Ferris Bueller
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You are trying to Condemn those that Jesus said would NEVER come under Condemnation....NEVER means “ NEVER”......
If a man gets saved, then at some later time ( the Future)He decides he wants to abandon his Faith—- that would be something that happened in the future, right. The Bible says that NOTHING in the Future can take you out of his grip......back to the drawing board for you,kcnalp....
1 John 4:15
The interesting thing I see from the context...is in the reversal.....meaning one's confession is based on the condition of knowing God.
So it beggs the question of a "anti- OSAR-er
having "WEAK" faith, the faith that saves.
For those the scripture are speaking of they have experienced life. They know God because they relate to Him through faith.
But Now it drops the burden to be proved on your side of the fence....not only for you to answer what your faith is in, but from where your confession stems from.
For You believe God does everything for you after you are saved...and you have no reason to relate to Him.....
And your Salvation..... is secured by Justification...when you haven't considered regeneration.
The Bible says that NOTHING in the Future can take you out of his grip......back to the drawing board for you,kcnalp....
But that is for one In Christ Jesus who dwells in His Love.....I'll have to back that up later...
But how can one dwell in His love if they believe there is no effort on their part, in their salvation[sanctification] to transformed into the image of Christ by walking by His Spirit?
Ferris Bueller
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Even if that was true, why is that a concern, since, as you say, nothing can condemn them?
All this comes to is not understanding
That the Kingdom is available to anyone that has confidence in Jesus.
Look what happen to the woman's request.....who said Even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their Master's table....
“O woman,” Jesus answered, “your faith is great! Let it be done for you as you desire.” And her daughter was healed from that very hour.
That the Kingdom is available to anyone that has confidence in Jesus.
Look what happen to the woman's request.....who said Even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their Master's table....
“O woman,” Jesus answered, “your faith is great! Let it be done for you as you desire.” And her daughter was healed from that very hour.
Ferris Bueller
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This is said in regard to those who want to be saved and who don't want to be take out of the Father's hand. Obviously, that doesn't include anything about the desire to quit God.
28...God works for the good of those who love him...
35Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall trouble or hardship or persecution or famine or nakedness or danger or sword?
38For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, k neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, 39neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us (those who love him) from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Romans 8:28-39
35Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall trouble or hardship or persecution or famine or nakedness or danger or sword?
38For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, k neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, 39neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us (those who love him) from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Romans 8:28-39
The law and the prophets were in force until John; since then, the good news of the kingdom of God has been proclaimed, and everyone is urged to enter it.
If God's kingdom is available Now!
then the key is to get heaven in you now...
So OSAS...is so focused on having heaven when they die...that they Can't see what happens in this life to those who walk in the life of Christ to overcome sin in this world they presently live in.
God wants to save[deliver us] us too from our present Sins. So as we obey His teachings our heart is changed and thereby the deeds that follow, in which we walk in the path of righteousness. And what happens to those who walk in the path? Or keep His word? The Father and Son come in to make their abode with us.
Is that not heaven in you now?
If God's kingdom is available Now!
then the key is to get heaven in you now...
So OSAS...is so focused on having heaven when they die...that they Can't see what happens in this life to those who walk in the life of Christ to overcome sin in this world they presently live in.
God wants to save[deliver us] us too from our present Sins. So as we obey His teachings our heart is changed and thereby the deeds that follow, in which we walk in the path of righteousness. And what happens to those who walk in the path? Or keep His word? The Father and Son come in to make their abode with us.
Is that not heaven in you now?
Wonderful! I can NEVER be unsaved, even if I'm wrong. Wish I could say the same for OSASers!
Randy Kluth
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You have free will. Under oppressive conditions, and under great duress, you may suffer some kind of emotional collapse and blame God for all your misery. Under such conditions you may try to pay God back by no longer claiming to be a Christian.
In those circumstances God is understanding and merciful. But why, oh why, with free will would you turn against a God you *know* loves you and is guilty of no sin?
You wouldn't, is the simple answer. Once you die and are free of your oppression, you will agree that God was never wrong, and that you were wrong to abandon Him. In fact, it was a staged act, to pay God back for what you perceived was something He was to blame for.
How do I know this? I have been through these ups and downs myself. When terrible things happen to you, it seems you have no recourse but God. And if He won't help you in the immediate term, then it does seem that He is responsible. You have nobody to point the finger at, for your continuing misery, but God Himself.
Of course, in our more sane moments, we know that God loves us, cares about us, but will not give up His lordship. We must submit to Him!
"Wonderful! I can NEVER be unsaved, even if I'm wrong. Wish I could say the same for OSASers!"
Having faith is not the same with having Jesus. Jesus is the savior, not faith.
Tong
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<<<So what do you say is how one knows he has the believing defined in scripture?>>>
He knows when rejecting Jesus Christ is no longer something that he considers still possible with him.
Tong
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Ferris Bueller
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Ferris Bueller
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But the Galatians were true believers. Paul said so. They received the Spirit with signs following. So, no wondering about their salvation there. Yet they rejected justification by faith through Christ apart from works and went back to observing the Mosaic Sabbath and Festival cycle for justification.
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