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Jesus was victorious in that He provided atonement for ALL WHO REPENT. Nobody else. The majority will not.
Mt 7 Narrow is the way and FEW THERE BE ...
Got any scripture that states that Jesus died only for those who repent?
And yet the many scriptures I posted disagree with that.
But that's not what the Bible says happens. Otherwise if God's goodness drew people to him, everyone would come to him.
Come on Jiggy, what say ye about Matthew 25:46?
Mat 25:46 . . .And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."
Sure. You said V22 is speaking of literally all people and then V23 switches to just those in Christ.I see no contradiction, but then I see Christ as victorious and successfully accomplishing His Father's plan and will and it seems this is just one more thing where we disagree.
Please point out where you see contradiction?
Plenty of them.Got any scripture that states that Jesus died only for those who repent?
Ahhh, so when challenged on quoted Scripture this is your response: ad hominem logical fallacy.It is your right to be wrong.
Since you lack knowledge of the first age, you are ill-positioned to give a credible case otherwise.
Yes, quoting two obscure and terrible pre-schooler translations proves your case when the dozens of other translations doesn't fit your agenda?And these shall go away to punishment age-during, but the righteous to life age-during.' YLT
And these shall be coming away into chastening eonian, yet the just into life eonian." CLT
And these shall go away to punishment age-during, but the righteous to life age-during.' YLT
And these shall be coming away into chastening eonian, yet the just into life eonian." CLT
Sure. You said V22 is speaking of literally all people and then V23 switches to just those in Christ.
[font="Georgia]For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive.[/font]
[font="Georgia]But each in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, then at his coming those who belong to Christ.[/font]
This is not logical at all and you must hold that these verses contradict each other. Paul did not switch gears.
Yes, quoting two obscure and terrible pre-schooler translations proves your case when the dozens of other translations doesn't fit your agenda?
What exactly does 'age-during' mean? What in the world is 'chastening eonian' and 'life eonian? What is the CLT? Also, the problem with the YLT is that it's a literalistic translation by a single individual which is hardly unbiased and not without controversy.
"Young tries to represent the Greek tenses with certain English tenses consistently, he tries to adhere to the word-order of the original, and he consistently translates a Greek word with the same English word in all of its occurrences. But in doing these things, he often fails to give the sense of the Greek correctly in English. It is doubtful whether the translation is really of much help to those who do not know Greek, because here the English is being forced to observe rules of the Greek language. The reader must become familiar with Greek syntax and vocabulary in order to make sense of the English! " http://www.bible-res....com/young.html
Oh did I mention that Robert Young was self-taught in Greek and Hebrew and his YLT paid no attention to context or the historical usage of the words he translated? Not very comforting, huh?
Show me a committee translated English version that translates the Greek adjective 'aionios' as 'eonian' or 'age-during.' Show me a lexicon that lists 'eonian' or 'age-during' as definitions.
Ahhh, so when challenged on quoted Scripture this is your response: ad hominem logical fallacy.
I didn't expect you to reply with Scripture.Again there is no contradiction to me, I all ready posted scripture that shows who (all mankind) belongs to Christ.
Please stop using Strawman arguments.Tis the opinion of one who thinks Jew and Gentile does not cover the whole human race.
What do you suppose everything in my OP was? You didn't address any of it, you just entered the thread, ignored it, and posted your view.You didn't challenge me with any 'quoted scripture'. It was your reply that was ad hominem.
What do you suppose everything in my OP was? You didn't address any of it, you just entered the thread, ignored it, and posted your view.
So you posted without reading. Now you know why I won't be responding to you.not to reply to anything therein the opening post.
So you posted without reading. Now you know why I won't be responding to you.
If you mean I lack the "knowledge" of considering the period between Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:2 as evidence for a million year gap along with flawed scientific dating, I don't, I just think it's really stupid.
I just think it's really stupid.