Once Saved Always Saved

[BloodBought 1953]

Sorry, FB, but I've gotta go with SBG on this one. BB is a loaded cannon, to be sure, but I've read some of his testimony and he's not a true antinomianist. He believes in holy living. He just doesn't do an awful lot of it here.

Viewers here unfortunately have to see me with my “ War Bonnet” on because I will not stand for False, Perverted “ Gospels “ that ruin lives and shipwreck the Faith Of many and even potentially send people to Hell......if these things don’t bring out the angry side of a person — what will?

Religionists, Legalists and Tares make me want to vomit....I am like God in that respect....they are the types that destroyed Many Of Paul’s Churches ( “ all of the Churches in Asia Minor have deserted me”) ....if these types prevail here, a site that is Holy to me, it will be over my dead body....God approves, even if some here don’t.....

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Sorry, FB, but I've gotta go with SBG on this one. BB is a loaded cannon, to be sure, but I've read some of his testimony and he's not a true antinomianist. He believes in holy living. He just doesn't do an awful lot of it here.

I believe BB has little to no actual experience living the Christian life. I'm not saying he's not born again. I'm saying he's well versed in a particular doctrinal creed and belief system that he's been taught, like a JW or a Mormon is, but I don't sense that he has any actual practical experience with the truths of God. I'm not saying he's not saved. I'm saying he is still a babe in Christ. He has yet to get off the milk knowledge of the gospel, as tasty as it is, and learn what it means to actually live for God in his salvation and consume the meat and potatoes of the word.

 

[BarneyFife]

My hope was that you'd see the point. Trusting God doesn't come from God, as you are insisting. The opportunity, and the faith, and the encouragement to trust God comes from him, but the trusting itself, that's on you. See, you're not trusting God when you just cave into sin. You are trusting God when, by faith, you resist sin, trusting him that you don't have to commit that sin to satisfy whatever it is you're trying to achieve by sinning. But you are saying trusting God is just letting it go and having a carefree attitude about sin. That's showing your lack of trust in God.

I certainly agree in principle but you are walking a thin line there, though.

 

[BarneyFife]

Don't forget that your opinion is worth what I paid for it, too. Remember that the next time you want to tear down my contribution to this thread.

Don't let pride get you. Not now.

 

[BarneyFife]

I believe BB has little to no actual experience living the Christian life. I'm not saying he's not born again. I'm saying he's well versed in a particular doctrinal creed and belief system that he's been taught, like a JW or a Mormon is, but I don't sense that he has any actual practical experience with the truths of God. I'm not saying he's not saved. I'm saying he is still a babe in Christ. He has yet to get off the milk knowledge of the gospel, as tasty as it is, and learn what it means to actually live for God in his salvation and consume the meat and potatoes of the word.

Okay, but if he is a babe (and I'm certainly not saying that he is) he's not ever going to want to hear that. I remember my parents telling me I was too young to understand certain things and I absolutely hated that, especially in my teen years.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Viewers here unfortunately have to see me with my “ War Bonnet” on because I will not stand for False, Perverted “ Gospels “ that ruin lives and shipwreck the Faith Of many and even potentially send people to Hell......if these things don’t bring out the angry side of a person — what will?

"...the Lord’s servant must not be quarrelsome but must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful. Opponents must be gently instructed, in the hope that God will grant them repentance leading them to a knowledge of the truth..." 2 Timothy 2:24-25​

Now, stop waiting around for you to just suddenly be able to do this. You're already victorious over sin. God made you that victor the moment you got saved. Now step out in faith, trusting, and act like it, believing and trusting that you really are what God says you are. THAT'S what it means to trust God with your sinful propensities. When you or I just flippantly and carelessly act in our old ways waiting around to not feel like sinning anymore we are actually not trusting God's word that says we are already delivered from sin and can make it our slave, instead of sin making us it's slave.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Don't let pride get you. Not now.

Thank you, but trust me it's not pride. His hypocrisy (and his arrogance) is what I'm addressing. He's saying that if you don't pay for something, that means it's worth exactly what you paid for it, not realizing nobody paid for his stuff either, lol. He should remember that next time he uses that line again.

 

[BarneyFife]

Viewers here unfortunately have to see me with my “ War Bonnet” on because I will not stand for False, Perverted “ Gospels “ that ruin lives and shipwreck the Faith Of many and even potentially send people to Hell......if these things don’t bring out the angry side of a person — what will?

Religionists, Legalists and Tares make me want to vomit....I am like God in that respect....they are the types that destroyed Many Of Paul’s Churches ( “ all of the Churches in Asia Minor have deserted me”) ....if these types prevail here, a site that is Holy to me, it will be over my dead body....God approves, even if some here don’t.....

Problem is, BB, God is masterful at wearing the justice and mercy hats at the same time. Humans... not so much. Even the converted type. You know what I'm talking about. Where I think your approach goes off track is where you seem to insist that people understand exactly what you're saying and right now or else be damned. Isn't that taking a little too much on yourself? Conviction is the Holy Spirit's job, not ours, am I right?

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Okay, but if he is a babe (and I'm certainly not saying that he is) he's not ever going to want to hear that. I remember my parents telling me I was too young to understand certain things and I absolutely hated that, especially in my teen years.

I understand. I've used the Hebrews passage to communicate that message to him before. That's why I feel comfortable saying what I did to him. He's come right out and said we are the babies in Christ because of his superior knowledge about grace in salvation. I've been telling him all along that Hebrews says that's baby milk, and what it says it means to feed on the solid food of the mature. And as long as he is flippantly living in sin waiting for God to stop him from doing that, living his self proclaimed life as the 'chief of sinners', he'll continue to only be feeding on the baby milk of Christianity. It's great stuff, and it's okay to have a milk shake now and again, but believers need to move on the meat of the word and actually start living what God said is already true about us. Until a believer does that, they're still the baby they were on the day they were born again.

 

[BloodBought 1953]

My hope was that you'd see the point. Trusting God doesn't come from God, as you are insisting. The opportunity, and the faith, and the encouragement to trust God comes from him, but the trusting itself, that's on you. See, you're not trusting God when you just cave into sin. You are trusting God when, by faith, you resist sin, trusting him that you don't have to commit that sin to satisfy whatever it is you're trying to achieve by sinning. But you are saying trusting God is just letting it go and having a carefree attitude about sin. That's showing your lack of trust in God.

I am just more “ Son” Conscience than I am “ Sin” Conscience..That doesn't mean I have a “ carefree” attitude regarding Sin.....if you don’t know that I abhor Sin by now ( how many times have I said that “ Sinning for me has the appeal Of Sticking my hand in a Fire?)

I hate Sin but I can’t constantly be obsessed with a terrible thing that was taken care of 2000 years ago.....you see, I “ACTUALLY BELIEVE” that Jesus Died For My Sins .....the Burden, the constant Worry about refraining from sin or being cast into the deepest depths of Hell , the stress and strain of trying to “BE WORTHY” as opposed to the Truth Of already having been “MADE WORTHY” by my Faith ( Plus Nothing) in the Blood Of The Lamb has Set Me FREE from all of that .....My sins, every last one of them has been taken by God and put on the Cross — you and others wantvgo take them off ofvthat Cross and put them back on me—- it ain’t happening.

I am a “ Free Man in Christ” .... I take my “Freedom” and ask God be His Slave...ain’t that Crazy? .....that’s the Ultimate “ MEAT” in Christianity....maybe someday some of you Bottle -Fed Babes will join me.....until then , don’t criticize what you can’t understand....

A “ free man “ does what he wants .....I do what I want to do every Second Of every day....God has changed and continues to change those “ wants” ..... my wants line up with His — that’s the secret of Christianity that you are blind to .....it’s a reward you get for RESTING in the Gospel .....it’s what happens when you “ let go and let God” it takes Faith— not fear, will-Power and self - deprivation ...right now I “ want” to go for a ride on my Harley.....that Alone is probably a Sin to some of you Religionists out there ....I couldn’t care less....Vrrrrrroooooooom......

 

[Wrangler]

I certainly agree in principle but you are walking a thin line there, though.

Indeed, a thin line between life and death. Where is the risk between the doctrines? The risk lies in not taking needed action. If you don't need to act to be saved BUT you do act, no harm is done. But if I am required to feed, clothe and give Jesus something to drink and I fail, the consequence is death.

What hill do you want to die on? I want to die doing righteous things. I don't want to die resting on my (or someone else's) laurel's only to find I should have walked miles before I slept.

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Trusting God doesn't come from God, as you are insisting.

“ To EVERY man a measure of Faith is Given.....”

 

[Ferris Bueller]

BB, start stepping out in the trust you say you have in God and "Do not be like the horse or the mule, which have no understanding but must be controlled by bit and bridle or they will not come to you." Psalm 32:9.

Look, I've spent a lot of time myself letting things go unaddressed in my life until God has to pull the bit back in my mouth to get me to act the way I'm supposed to, but that's not what God has in mind for the believer. That's the way of the stubborn person who doesn't trust God. He has to be forced to trust God. Trust in God is evidenced by obedience to God's commands, not by lounging around carelessly on the couch of your sin waiting for God to change you.

 

[Tong2020]

@Ferris Bueller, @Corlove13 and to all, I’d like to share this simple yet meaningful passage:

Romans 6:17 But God be thanked that though you were slaves of sin, yet you obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine to which you were delivered.

In connection with the topic under this thread, what truth do you see in the quoted passage?

Tong
R3347

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Trusting God doesn't come from God, as you are insisting.

“ To EVERY man a measure of Faith is Given.....”

You don't know the difference between 'faith' and 'trust'.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

.....if you don’t know that I abhor Sin by now ( how many times have I said that “ Sinning for me has the appeal Of Sticking my hand in a Fire?)

Then why are you doing it, for corn's sake!!!!! Why aren't you trusting God! You are a walking contradiction! This is exactly why I think you are just spewing things you have been taught are correct and are what you're supposed to say, and not actually living and learning the Christian life in a close relationship with God. Again, I'm not saying you're not saved. I don't know that. I'm just telling you how it looks from this side of things. You strike me as a text book Christian, not an experiential Christian learning truths in a day to day relationship with God. You're like a student still in school, not an apprentice getting his hands dirty and scrapped perfecting what he learned in school through actual hands on experience.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

My hope was that you'd see the point. Trusting God doesn't come from God, as you are insisting. The opportunity, and the faith, and the encouragement to trust God comes from him, but the trusting itself, that's on you. See, you're not trusting God when you just cave into sin. You are trusting God when, by faith, you resist sin, trusting him that you don't have to commit that sin to satisfy whatever it is you're trying to achieve by sinning. But you are saying trusting God is just letting it go and having a carefree attitude about sin. That's showing your lack of trust in God.

I disagree. A verse states He gives everyone a measure of trust. Others then water but it’s God who causes the growth.

But let me state that WE do have to learn the obedience of trust, and we know, by Israel in the desert, it says, He let them become very thirsty to see what they would do, if they would trust even then. They failed the testing of their trust as we read.

we learn the obedience of trust through the things we suffer.

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Fire away, BB. It's what you do best, I guess. It's always all-or-nothing with you, isn't it? Much of what you say is just raving and hand-waving. Sorry. Ask mostly anyone. You have a huge ax to grind. I'm not exaggerating. Take it however you want. You know what I said about reporting you is true. You're just mad because you can't stand being called out. You seem to be looking forward to the day when everyone but you will be lost. You're not God. You don't have a monopoly on truth, BB. You think you've got it all figured out because you've settled two simple things in your mind. Good for you. I hope that works out for you. I really do. For now, though, you're mostly a nuisance here. That's my opinion. And it just could be a fact.

Zzzzzzzzzzz....
Did you say something? Your entire “ take” on me is wrong.

I think that you are not only a “ nuisance” here...I think you are “ Fallen from Grace “ and don’t know it, and you and others here “ could” be the “ Accursed” that Paul,speaks of in Gal1:8 ....you spread False Gospels in my opinion.....I could be wrong....
But if I am NOT......it is my duty to call you out....and nobody has convinced me yet that I am mistaken....

“Ask Anyone?”...... Lol.....I could not care LESS what others think! “Report me to The Mods? “ I don't worry about that either ....I try to teach the Forgotten message of Paul —“Jesus Saves—- no BUTS attached”. ... I ain’t here to get their approval or anybody else’s ....I teach what I sincerely believe to be the Truth ....if that does not “ fly” here, I don’t WANT to be here.....God is in control ....not me....

Like you, the previous remarks were my opinion ....we are debating here....I don't think I have ‘ everything figured out” ....I have Sincere Beliefs and I try to offer them up and defend them —— just like you do. I can’t help it that you guys lose all of the time.....lol, that last part was just a joke....

I wish you knew me personally .....I am the absolute sweetest, kindest man you could ever meet...people crave my company....I keep people in stitches all of the time , Believe it or not....try not to judge a guy that because of circumstances has to be in “ war- mode” in here so much of the time....I am a real “ Pussy - Cat” in real life...

 

[BloodBought 1953]

When he begins to see what he lacks, he will ask for it in trust. Then, look out!

Please help me out.....what do I Lack ....Do I Lack Timidity when it comes to hearing and calling- out False, Perverted “ Gospels ? .....Those “Additions” to the True Gospel That cause Newbies to “ Fall from Grace” in their Walk Of Faith Before they can even get started? Well, excuuuuuuuuuuuuse me.....lol...I ain’t stopping what I do .....God likes it too much— it’s what Paul did............and we are to “ follow Paul”......

 

[BarneyFife]

What hill do you want to die on? I want to die doing righteous things.

See, now, this implies that I don't want to die doing righteous things. That's unkind. What are you on about?