Proof that Jesus Christ is not God Almighty...

[BroRando]

The Word of God is the Lord Jesus Christ as the Angel of Covenant.

Behold, I send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me; and the Lord whom ye seek will suddenly come to his temple, and the Angel of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he cometh, saith Jehovah of hosts." (Malachi 3:1)

 

[BroRando]

Jesus said to him: “Why do you call ME good? Nobody is good except one, God.” (Mark 10:18)

 

[amadeus]

Jesus said to him: “Why do you call ME good? Nobody is good except one, God.” (Mark 10:18)

So then every one of us is Not good until and if we have received some good from God? Is there ever any good in unbelievers?

 

[BroRando]

Do you recall the time his disciples asked Jesus, why do you always speak in illustrations or parables? In reply he said: "To you it is granted to understand the sacred secrets of the Kingdom of the heavens, but to them it is not granted." (Matthew 13:11)

The 'them' was indeed the unbelievers. At one time, we were all unbelievers and we tend to make poor decisions based on our own determination of what is right and wrong. However today, the Bible is easily accessible. It's the #1 Book on the market. So now, being an unbeliever is more of a choice. Do such ones gain everlasting life?

When Jesus answered the man, “Why do you call ME good? Nobody is good except one, God.” (Mark 10:18) Jesus was giving credit to His God and Father whom sets the ultimate standard of what is good, the One who has the sovereign right to determine what is good and what is bad. Jesus was exercising his faith to the One who was able to save him out of death, and he was favorably heard for his godly fear. (Hebrews 5:7) When Jesus prayed, whom did he pray too? “Father, if you want to, remove this cup from me. Nevertheless, let, not my will, but yours take place.” (Luke 22:42)

When Adam and Eve sought to assume that right. (Genesis 2:17; Genesis 3:4-6) They rebelliously began eating from the tree of the knowledge of good and bad. It was a choice. Unlike them, Jesus humbly leaves the setting of standards to his Father. God has expressed and defined what is good by means of what he has commanded in his Word. (Mark 10:19)

 

[Truman]

The Word of God is the Lord Jesus Christ as the Angel of Covenant.

Behold, I send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me; and the Lord whom ye seek will suddenly come to his temple, and the Angel of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he cometh, saith Jehovah of hosts." (Malachi 3:1)

This kind of proof is called, "a lie." You need to repent of believing such nonsense!

 

[Ronald Nolette]

The Word of God is the Lord Jesus Christ as the Angel of Covenant.

Behold, I send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me; and the Lord whom ye seek will suddenly come to his temple, and the Angel of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he cometh, saith Jehovah of hosts." (Malachi 3:1)

Spouting JW false doctrine, doesn't make it true.

The watchtrower added tehh "a" in JOhn 1 to reinterpret that passage.

Jesus is called Jehovah in Isaiah. Jehovah and Jesus are both the first and last.

The apostle JOhn under the inspiration of teh holy spirit said Jesus was equal to God.

Paul said God was manifest in the flesh

John in Revelation 1 called Jesus the almighty!
John in Revelation 15 called Jesus almightry.

Sorry but the rewriting of teh Bible by the Watchtower bible and tract Society has brought them great condemnation. Those who wish to follow that blasphemous bible will also face the same judgment as the snakes that intentionally rewrote Scripture to try to make Scripture support their false doctgrine.

 

[amadeus]

@BroRando
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Do you recall the time his disciples asked Jesus, why do you always speak in illustrations or parables? In reply he said: "To you it is granted to understand the sacred secrets of the Kingdom of the heavens, but to them it is not granted." (Matthew 13:11)

The 'them' was indeed the unbelievers. At one time, we were all unbelievers and we tend to make poor decisions based on our own determination of what is right and wrong. However today, the Bible is easily accessible. It's the #1 Book on the market. So now, being an unbeliever is more of a choice. Do such ones gain everlasting life?

I do not believe that the scriptures alone will draw us to God. There are atheists who spend long hours reading and studying the Bible who apparently never do come to God. It is something in a person's heart, put there by God which will draw us to Him... if we are not too busy or interested in other things to pay attention to Him. That is my understanding.

When Jesus answered the man, “Why do you call ME good? Nobody is good except one, God.” (Mark 10:18) Jesus was giving credit to His God and Father whom sets the ultimate standard of what is good, the One who has the sovereign right to determine what is good and what is bad. Jesus was exercising his faith to the One who was able to save him out of death, and he was favorably heard for his godly fear. (Hebrews 5:7) When Jesus prayed, whom did he pray too? “Father, if you want to, remove this cup from me. Nevertheless, let, not my will, but yours take place.” (Luke 22:42)

Jesus was indeed giving credit to His Father, but were his words true saying that God alone was "good"? By the way, I am Not a Trinitarian.

When Adam and Eve sought to assume that right. (Genesis 2:17; Genesis 3:4-6) They rebelliously began eating from the tree of the knowledge of good and bad. It was a choice. Unlike them, Jesus humbly leaves the setting of standards to his Father. God has expressed and defined what is good by means of what he has commanded in his Word. (Mark 10:19)

 

[BroRando]

Thank you kind Sir. I appreciate the heads up.

I do not believe that the scriptures alone will draw us to God. There are atheists who spend long hours reading and studying the Bible who apparently never do come to God. It is something in a person's heart, put there by God which will draw us to Him... if we are not too busy or interested in other things to pay attention to Him. That is my understanding.

It's a start. But there is more as you stated. Notice this verse? "For the word of God is alive and exerts power and is sharper than any two-edged sword and pierces even to the dividing of soul and spirit, and of joints from the marrow, and is able to discern thoughts and intentions of the heart." (Hebrews 4:12)

Then, we have a quote from Jesus saying, "No man can come to me unless the Father, who sent me, draws him, and I will resurrect him on the last day." (John 6:44) He went on to say: “This is why I have said to you, no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father.” (John 6:65)

Jesus said to him: “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.” (John 14:6)

So when I or you share a scripture, we can see the condition of the heart. Why? Different heart conditions react differently. Some have good reactions, while others might have some not so good reactions. Notice this quote from Jesus Christ: "A good man brings good out of the good treasure of his heart, but a wicked man brings what is wicked out of his wicked treasure; for out of the heart’s abundance his mouth speaks." (Luke 6:45)

So when Jesus stated “Why do you call ME good? Nobody is good except one, God.” (Mark 10:18) He was responding to the person addressing him as Good Teacher and reading that person's heart, Jesus responded accordingly. Jesus Christ then invited him to become his follower. That person declined and was grieved for he had many possessions. (Mark 10:22)

 

[amadeus]

Thank you kind Sir. I appreciate the heads up.

Even so my friend!

It's a start. But there is more as you stated. Notice this verse? "For the word of God is alive and exerts power and is sharper than any two-edged sword and pierces even to the dividing of soul and spirit, and of joints from the marrow, and is able to discern thoughts and intentions of the heart." (Hebrews 4:12)

Here is where I go along a pathway that often pushes people away from me. The "Word of God" is alive, but what is the Word of God? What was Jesus hanging dead on the cross when he had died but not yet resurrected from the dead? He was dead, was he not? I do not believe that the unopened or unread Bible is the Word of God, but a dead carcass in need of Life!

Then, we have a quote from Jesus saying, "No man can come to me unless the Father, who sent me, draws him, and I will resurrect him on the last day." (John 6:44) He went on to say: “This is why I have said to you, no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father.” (John 6:65)

So then when the Father calls us, is that not the "granting" of which you speak? If we are His sheep will we not hear His voice?

Jesus said to him: “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.” (John 14:6)

So when I or you share a scripture, we can see the condition of the heart. Why? Different heart conditions react differently. Some have good reactions, while others might have some not so good reactions. Notice this quote from Jesus Christ: "A good man brings good out of the good treasure of his heart, but a wicked man brings what is wicked out of his wicked treasure; for out of the heart’s abundance his mouth speaks." (Luke 6:45)

What has a person been doing with that which was given to him at natural birth? What has been growing in his heart? What kind of things have been available for him to eat? How has he been eating of those things all around him? Not every man has read or even has had access to a Bible to read, right?

So when Jesus stated “Why do you call ME good? Nobody is good except one, God.” (Mark 10:18) He was responding to the person addressing him as Good Teacher and reading that person's heart, Jesus responded accordingly. Jesus Christ then invited him to become his follower. That person declined and was grieved for he had many possessions. (Mark 10:22)

So then was Jesus good, or did he have some "good" [some of God] in him?

 

[BroRando]

Here is where I go along a pathway that often pushes people away from me. The "Word of God" is alive, but what is the Word of God? What was Jesus hanging dead on the cross when he had died but not yet resurrected from the dead? He was dead, was he not? I do not believe that the unopened or unread Bible is the Word of God, but a dead carcass in need of Life!

I think you mean a person that did not open or read the Bible? However, I personally come across many people who are religious and read the Bible from cover to cover several times, but reject (Romans 10:9)

That to me is a dead carcass in the need of Life. "For if you publicly declare with your mouth that Jesus is Lord, and exercise faith in your heart that God raised him up from the dead, you will be saved." (Romans 10:9)

I usually don't share the following scripture with a person that denies (Romans 10:9) because such ones tend to preach a different gospel. I try hard to convince or persuade such ones. But it's like they are already dead and cannot be resuscitated. I found (Romans 10:10) to be very interesting. "For with the heart one exercises faith for righteousness, but with the mouth one makes public declaration for salvation." (Romans 10:10)

So in the context of these two scriptures, virtually everyone may very well already be dying. I do still hold out some hope because of this following scripture. "However, how will they call on him if they have not put faith in him? How, in turn, will they put faith in him about whom they have not heard? How, in turn, will they hear without someone to preach? How, in turn, will they preach unless they have been sent out? Just as it is written: “How beautiful are the feet of those who declare good news of good things!” (Romans 10:14-15)

The preaching work will come to its' end as this scripture is being fulfilled. "And this good news of the Kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come." (Matthew 24:14)

 

[Wrangler]

That all the epistles identify God as the Father is strong prove the Son is not God.

I doubt it is possible to write a stronger anti-trinitarian statement than Paul wrote in 1 Corinthians 8:6 ‘For us, there is one God, the Father.’

 

[BroRando]

So then when the Father calls us, is that not the "granting" of which you speak? If we are His sheep will we not hear His voice?

Yes, but it is a process of learning and becoming faithful to our end. I often share with others, if we are faithful to our end, we will be without end... While he was still speaking, look! a bright cloud overshadowed them, and look! a voice out of the cloud said: “This is my Son, the beloved, whom I have approved. Listen to him.” (Matthew 17:5) Compare this with (Exodus 23:20-21)

So then was Jesus good, or did he have some "good" [some of God] in him?

Yes, Jesus was good. His Father declared him publicly on more than one occasion.

 

[amadeus]

I think you mean a person that did not open or read the Bible? However, I personally come across many people who are religious and read the Bible from cover to cover several times, but reject (Romans 10:9)

Yes, that way as well.

That to me is a dead carcass in the need of Life. "For if you publicly declare with your mouth that Jesus is Lord, and exercise faith in your heart that God raised him up from the dead, you will be saved." (Romans 10:9)

I usually don't share the following scripture with a person that denies (Romans 10:9) because such ones tend to preach a different gospel. I try hard to convince or persuade such ones. But it's like they are already dead and cannot be resuscitated. I found (Romans 10:10) to be very interesting. "For with the heart one exercises faith for righteousness, but with the mouth one makes public declaration for salvation." (Romans 10:10)

So in the context of these two scriptures, virtually everyone may very well already be dying. I do still hold out some hope because of this following scripture. "However, how will they call on him if they have not put faith in him? How, in turn, will they put faith in him about whom they have not heard? How, in turn, will they hear without someone to preach? How, in turn, will they preach unless they have been sent out? Just as it is written: “How beautiful are the feet of those who declare good news of good things!” (Romans 10:14-15)

For me anyone who has never received the Life that Jesus brought has always been dead, a zombie indeed. Without that Life from him, they simply remain dead and soon even their glimmer of hope also goes out...

"For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath." Matt 13:12

All the dead men walking had was an unfulfilled hope and because they failed to acknowledge and move toward the glimmer, even that was taken away. "Let the dead bury the dead".

The preaching work will come to its' end as this scripture is being fulfilled. "And this good news of the Kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come." (Matthew 24:14)

The inhabited earth is that little bit of dirt filled by the Living Water comes to Life, becoming then an inhabited place. All of the uninhabited parts, the parts under death's dominion, are quickened by the Holy Spirit so that the Life is manifested to anyone with "eyes to see" and "ears to hear". Then there is "time no more"!

 

[TLHKAJ]

Jesus said to him: “Why do you call ME good? Nobody is good except one, God.” (Mark 10:18)

You're interpreting this in the wrong way. Jesus didn't say He wasn't God. He simply asked a question because He knew their hearts. They didn't believe He was the Messiah, the Son of God, and yet they were calling Him "good." Jesus asked them why they were calling Him good, being that only God is good ......knowing they did not believe on Him. He asked the question to reveal the unbelief in their hearts.

 

[Marc RL Ministry]

Brother Jesus Christ was in the flesh there is nothing good about our flesh but he was also full of the spirit of God that's why he said none are good but my Father in heaven.

They're one and the same - God is spirit hence why when Jesus Christ came to earth he did not consider himself good because he was of flesh (bad) and spirit (good).

Your a bit lost but seek Jesus Christ in his red words with all your heart and you will find who God is blessings.

Much love Marc @ Red Letter Ministry

 

[Enoch111]

You're interpreting this in the wrong way.

That's a JW specialty. Anything to "prove" that Jesus is not God.

 

[Enoch111]

“This is my Son, the beloved, whom I have approved. Listen to him.”

This does not detract from the deity of Christ since the God the Father calls God the Son "God" -- not once but twice, and in fact since that passage is a quote from the OT in Hebrews 1, four times. But you ignored that passage, and your NWT perverted it.

 

[Enoch111]

Jesus said to him: “Why do you call ME good? Nobody is good except one, God.” (Mark 10:18)

Which means that if I (Jesus) am not God, then I cannot be called "good". According to the Watchtower Society "...the Bible indicates that Michael is another name for Jesus Christ..." So the Savior of the world is just an archangel according to the JWs! Which would be just a sham Savior. This is serious heresy.

 

[n2thelight]

The Word of God is the Lord Jesus Christ as the Angel of Covenant.

Behold, I send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me; and the Lord whom ye seek will suddenly come to his temple, and the Angel of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he cometh, saith Jehovah of hosts." (Malachi 3:1)

Malachi 3:1 ""Behold, I will send My messenger, and he shall prepare the way before Me: and the Lord, Whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to His temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, He shall come, saith the Lord of hosts."

Jesus Christ came to earth the first time as a baby, lived the life of a servant, and died for an offering for the sins of many. When He comes the second time to earth, He will be coming as the "King of Kings", to judge and to make all things right that Satan has corrupted.

Who then is this messenger that God will send "to prepare the way before me". John the Baptist came out of the wilderness preaching, "repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand." [Matthew 3:1-2] Then in Matthew 3:3; "For this is he that was spoken of by the prophet Esaias [in Isaiah 40:3], saying, the voice of one crying in the wilderness, prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his path straight."

John the Baptist will, and did, come in the "spirit of Elijah". "Elijah" means "messenger' in the Hebrew. Though many preachers say today that John the Baptist was the prophet Esaias, or Elijah, he was not. However, the same spirit that gave Elijah his message, gave the words to John the Baptist. That Spirit is God's Holy Spirit.

In Matthew 11:13-15 we read, "For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John. and if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come. He that hath ears to hear, let him hear."

Did they believe either John the Baptist, or Jesus? No, They beheaded John, and executed our Lord on that Roman cross. There was a condition set up by the word "if". We see in the Scripture that they refused to hear, and they also totally rejected both John the Baptist [the Messenger], and our Lord Jesus Christ.

Elijah never died, but was taken back to the Father without dying a fleshly death. Just like John the Baptist spoke out in the Spirit of Elijah, in the end times, that same spirit of boldness will return. For the "elect of God" will speak out as the Holy Spirit speaks through them, as Jesus foretold in Mark 13:11.

malachi3

 

[DPMartin]

The Word of God is the Lord Jesus Christ as the Angel of Covenant.

Behold, I send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me; and the Lord whom ye seek will suddenly come to his temple, and the Angel of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he cometh, saith Jehovah of hosts." (Malachi 3:1)

ye ever so lie:

KJV you know the translation that is translated by the english.

Mal 3:1 Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts.

also let use look at the Jews translation: JPS

1 Behold, I send My messenger, and he shall clear the way before Me; and the Lord, whom ye seek, will suddenly come to His temple, and the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in, behold, he cometh, saith the LORD of hosts.


no angel mention , Jesus is the messenger of the covenant because He is the ever lasting covenant


your proof is pathetic at best, oh yea, FYI, darby sucks, get with the program

this some thing you should also know:
"Darby's translation work was not intended to be read aloud. His work was for study and private use. In his own oral ministry he generally used the English KJV"

Darby didn't even use it for public use.

also:
"After his death, some of his students produced an Old Testament translation based on Darby's French and German translations "

so what you are quoting maybe from his students and not him by being retranslated back to English from his translation in to other languages. not to accurate there is it? heck even sloppy at beast

(quotes are from Wikipedia which means its common knowledge)