The Myth of saying that Jesus Christ died for all men without exception !

[Emily Nghiem]

Jesus died for the sins of the whole world (1 John 2:2), He was ransomed for all men (1 Timothy 2:6). God wills that all men be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth (1 Timothy 2:4). He is not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance (2 Peter 3:9).

It is simply false teaching to teach that "all" doesn't mean all.

Dear @brightfame52 and @Wrangler
Since we are all proclaimed believers here,
with the common goal of establishing God's truth to prevent falsehood that deprives others, I have faith your intent is to make sure no one takes it so lightly that "everyone will get saved" that we neglect or abuse the obedience to God's laws that come with Salvation in Christ Jesus.

If this is your purpose and intent, it is well taken.

I agree with the Scriptures that basically say it is not God's will that a single soul be lost.
God's will by definition is supreme.
If His ideal will is that we all be saved,
God is omnipotent and can make that happen.

It is not our call to make. We can ask and pray for God's will which is greater than ours.

My two points to you
1. Knowing that people get cliquish, why would God be so cruel to set up a system where SOME people are saved and will use this to judge others as inferior and themselves more blessed than other people who will not.
2. If regular people can have mercy and compassion to desire all people be redeemed and saved at some point in this spiritual process, isn't God's love and mercy greater than any of us? So if we can forgive and pray to God to save lost souls, isn't God even greater?
3. Isn't this the better way to ensure all people pay penance.

If you are already doomed, you could go around sinning and doing wrong, and "eternal loss in hell" would not change.

But knowing you are destined to find redemption by God'd grace through Christ Jesus, then the MORE you incur sins and debts the MORE you must make amends with the neighbors you hurt by injustice and wrongful behavior. The SOONER you stop the wrong path, the SOONER you can enjoy the right path.

This prevents you from shirking responsibility and just accepting God's will you are condemned.

Imagine you are in school.
If you have to graduate to move on to grad school, then you eventually have to complete all the coursework to move on.

The sooner you quit goofing around, the better. You will actually enjoy the journey and get more from it.

But if you are doomed to just suffer and fail, and repeat the same classes. Or if you get booted and have no way to get back on track. What motivation is there to even bother?

God certainly would not set us up to judge one another for punishment.
My understanding is the greater knowledge and discernment is given to mentors charged with helping others to the finish line.

Why would God give any knowledge to people to judge others unless it is for correction to ensure success?

It would be cruel, and set up for disaster for God to have some people pass, some fail, forever with no means of redemption, then give some people ability to see this!

Why would God give us discernment except to help teach and correct one another so we can all graduate? Not fall all over ourselves competing to judge or prove who will make it and who will not. What good would THAT serve?

 

[brightfame52]

That we [The elect or Believers] might live through Him !

1 Jn 4:9

In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we [The Believers He was writing to] might live through him.

10 herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.

Another Purpose for Christ coming into the world and becoming a propitiation for our sins [if we are believers] was so that we should live [spiritually and abundantly] through Him.

In Adam, the elect of God became a sinful people, in both nature and conduct [ungodly] and so we were dead, that is dead to God, alienated from the Life of God, dead in sin. God sent His Son into the World out of Love for us not only to be a propitiation for our sins [procuring our forgiveness] but also to be life for us, that we may Live Spiritually. So Christ coming not only saved His beloved People from the penalty of Sin, but also He saved them from, out of Spiritual Death unto a newness of Life, for He gives us to experience as it were a Spiritual Resurrection from the Dead. Thats why it is said that He became a quickening Spirit 1 Cor 15:45

45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. Jn 5:21

21 For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will.359

Christ gives to all for whom He died and represented Justification unto Life !

Rom 5:18

18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

Here again is the propitiation and Life together, Thats why it says that we should live through Him. His death effects Life. .Because He becomes a Life giving Spirit.

So those who are not and do not experience Life from Him, He did not die for, He did not represent in His death.

 

[Wrangler]

I agree with the Scriptures that basically say it is not God's will that a single soul be lost.

Support for universalism.

 

[Emily Nghiem]

Support for universalism.

Dear @Wrangler
Ultimately that is God's call.
God calls some people to act as Judges to herd people back in line like a school Principal.
God calls some to be Teachers of students organized in class.
I tend to do interpretation and facilitation to get students placed with classes or teachers that speak their same language

It helps my job in this spiritual ecosystem
to start with the universal approach of inclusion. So I can hear where each soul is coming from, and overcome barriers to communication.

If I didn't assume all souls could be saved, I wouldn't be able to assure people that forgiveness allows God to correct the wrongs and heal past wounds.

I have to be able to look past the past
if I am explaining to people how grace works.

If I can't forgive people for what is making them so lost or conflicted,how can I tell them there is a greater God who can make things new through Christ by forgiveness and repentance.

So that isn't for me to judge.

I just know the only way we are going to get things corrected is by forgiving them first.
The rest follows but isn't my call.

I got my hands full just trying to encourage the forgiveness part. I totally trust God to do the rest!

You have your own role too.
If you cannot forgive any false teaching, then that is motivation to prevent false teaching.

I support you in your role God gives you.
But still find forgivenes comes first,then it makes it much easier and effective for corrections to be received which appears to be your calling.

I pray for you to receive more favor and wisdom to share with more people by the power of God's grace and forgiveness and correction by the Authority vested in Christ Jesus as Lord of lords the Word of God governing us all.

Yours in prayer and thanks!
Emily

 

[APAK]

Dear @Wrangler

It helps my job in this spiritual ecosystem to start with the universal approach of inclusion.

Emily, what is the/an spiritual ecosystem you mention here? Is is like a spiritual kingdom of believers in society of various cultures, merged or integrated, from all walks of life?

Thanks

APAK

 

[Emily Nghiem]

Emily, what is the/an spiritual ecosystem you mention here? Is is like a spiritual kingdom of believers in society of various cultures, merged or integrated, from all walks of life?

Thanks

APAK

I mean God's whole process of bringing us together.
This board is mostly all Believers.
IRL I have as many in my circles who
are nontheist secular gentiles, as well as very faithful obedient followers of God's Word.

The best I can do is translate meanings from one group or persective to another.
God's truth speaks and compels on its own.

The biggest challenge is communicating across secular or even political systems that divide people like a "Tower of Babble" (oops pun not intended but I'll keep it).

The step that makes any of this possible to correct is agreeing to forgive differences so we can work through them and make corrections as equal neighbors united under God through Christ.

At least people here already commit to Christ.

Much harder to communicate with people who don't forgive yet, and rely on you to be the witness to teach the power of forgiveness by example.

 

[APAK]

I mean God's whole process of bringing us together.
This board is mostly all Believers.
IRL I have as many in my circles who
are nontheist secular gentiles, as well as very faithful obedient followers of God's Word.

The best I can do is translate meanings from one group or persective to another.
God's truth speaks and compels on its own.

The biggest challenge is communicating across secular or even political systems that divide people like a "Tower of Babble" (oops pun not intended but I'll keep it).

The step that makes any of this possible to correct is agreeing to forgive differences so we can work through them and make corrections as equal neighbors united under God through Christ.

At least people here already commit to Christ.

Much harder to communicate with people who don't forgive yet, and rely on you to be the witness to teach the power of forgiveness by example.

Yes, the lack of forgiveness as a feature of personality is a strong sign of an unbeliever. If they cannot forgive on a regular basis in their life, it would be very difficult or hard for them to even imagine a Lord, who already has redeemed them through grace, and is ready to also save them from their spiritual ignorance and death.

Thank you, I can now see more clearly your view and your 'mission' or spiritual drive on this site

 

[Emily Nghiem]

Yes, the lack of forgiveness as a feature of personality is a strong sign of an unbeliever. If they cannot forgive on a regular basis in their life, it would be very difficult or hard for them to even imagine a Lord, who already has redeemed them through grace, and is ready to also save them from their spiritual ignorance and death.

Thank you, I can now see more clearly your view and your 'mission' or spiritual drive on this site

Ah there's the rub @APAK
It is easier among believers here to ask and remind each other about forgiveness, since we already embrace and agree to receive God's grace to do so.

How much harder is it to explain forgiveness to those blocked from it because they cannot forgive past abuses, especially previous misperceptions of Christianity itself?

Unforgiveness blocks the mind from understanding forgiveness. This seems an impossible task.

Thus it is by grace alone that we ever see an opportunity to share.

We would go in circles, with unforgiveness blocking God's grace from entering. But with at least one person praying for forgiveness through Christ, the doors will open and others that struggle with this will be encouraged and eventually agree to receive forgiveness from God as well.

Usually this agreement to receive comes at a point where people aren't getting what we want and know is right. When our ways get us nowhere, then we are compelled to try something new. When all the unforgiven conflicts just end in a deadlock jam, that is when people look for a better way.

So when that opportunity comes along, I can try to explain a more positive constructive approach to solve the problem causing deadlocks.

And more often than not, the issues come up as to what is causing people to reject and conflict with each other to get so stuck.

So by that point, the issues of forgiveness, unforgiveness, and fear of working with certain other people, all come up to be addressed and resolved.

Again, it is so much easier to work out issues with people of common faith in Christ.

If people do not have experience drawing on forgiveness coming from God, the endless blame can go in circles.

I am grateful to have fellowship with Believers, and trust whatever we pray for in agreement by God's will in Christ Jesus authority, this is not only helping us to establish truth between us here. But is also multiplying and helping others to establish God's truth to set us all free.

I look forward to praying for even greater forgiveness to be received, all around us, so the corrections and understanding of God's truth will follow.

Thank you @APAK
May God uplift you and bless you in abundance as you serve and reach out to others in fulfilling the calling and purpose God has for you. In Jesus name Amen

 

[amigo de christo]

Never forget , that the one who was sent to pay the price of the sins of the world
ALSO said , Those who BELIEVE in HIM would be saved , but those who do not will be damned . Lets not forget
any of His reminders .

 

[APAK]

Ah there's the rub @APAK
It is easier among believers here to ask and remind each other about forgiveness, since we already embrace and agree to receive God's grace to do so.

How much harder is it to explain forgiveness to those blocked from it because they cannot forgive past abuses, especially previous misperceptions of Christianity itself?

Unforgiveness blocks the mind from understanding forgiveness. This seems an impossible task.

Thus it is by grace alone that we ever see an opportunity to share.

We would go in circles, with unforgiveness blocking God's grace from entering. But with at least one person praying for forgiveness through Christ, the doors will open and others that struggle with this will be encouraged and eventually agree to receive forgiveness from God as well.

Usually this agreement to receive comes at a point where people aren't getting what we want and know is right. When our ways get us nowhere, then we are compelled to try something new. When all the unforgiven conflicts just end in a deadlock jam, that is when people look for a better way.

So when that opportunity comes along, I can try to explain a more positive constructive approach to solve the problem causing deadlocks.

And more often than not, the issues come up as to what is causing people to reject and conflict with each other to get so stuck.

So by that point, the issues of forgiveness, unforgiveness, and fear of working with certain other people, all come up to be addressed and resolved.

Again, it is so much easier to work out issues with people of common faith in Christ.

If people do not have experience drawing on forgiveness coming from God, the endless blame can go in circles.

I am grateful to have fellowship with Believers, and trust whatever we pray for in agreement by God's will in Christ Jesus authority, this is not only helping us to establish truth between us here. But is also multiplying and helping others to establish God's truth to set us all free.

I look forward to praying for even greater forgiveness to be received, all around us, so the corrections and understanding of God's truth will follow.

Thank you @APAK
May God uplift you and bless you in abundance as you serve and reach out to others in fulfilling the calling and purpose God has for you. In Jesus name Amen

Yes, it is an admirable thing to encourage and convert unbelievers to believers. Is it in vain I wonder without knowing the Spirit may not be guiding this purpose? I used to try and convert others, even other relatives to Christ. I never got success. I learned that being led by the Spirit of the Father, spontaneously to witness and speak of the Father and Christ was more successful, even if I did not see immediate results of a changed mind and heart.

 

[Emily Nghiem]

Yes, it is an admirable thing to encourage and convert unbelievers to believers. Is it in vain I wonder without knowing the Spirit may not be guiding this purpose? I used to try and convert others, even other relatives to Christ. I never got success. I learned that being led by the Spirit of the Father, spontaneously to witness and speak of the Father and Christ was more successful, even if I did not see immediate results of a changed mind and heart.

Yes people can detect if you are converting for your own convenience and not unconditionally supporting them and their walk with God and path in life.

Absolutely, this takes prayer to focus on God's plan and purpose for that person.
When the focus is right, of course they respond because that is where their will and God's are one in accord.

The whole point is to center on that.

All the other confusion or conflict obstructing that clarity is where forgiveness overcomes unforgiveness, and God's love casts out fear.

Projecting our own fear, stress or expectations onto someone else, of course that's going to fail. That is the opposite of the message so it sends mixed signals and people will reject it as selfish propaganda.

 

[brightfame52]

Shall be saved by His Life !


Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

Another reason why it is a myth to say that Christ died for all without exception, is because all He died for shall be saved by His Life..

And we know that all without exception shall be saved. For many shall perish in their sins.

What many in man made religion do not understand about the Work of Christ, that it is also Christ responsibility as Saviour of God's People, that what He did on the cross is applied to all He died to save, and that's why its stated after His resurrection that He went to appear before God for us Heb 9:24

24 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:

The us here are the elect of God, The many sons He brings to Glory, the seed of Abraham, the children God gave Him, partakers of the Heavenly calling.

Now a major reason for this [His appearing for us], is that as part of His Saving Purpose, He is to make intercession [for application] for all those He died. The Lord Jesus Christ intercessory work is vital for the applying of all His saving benefits to God's elect. There is an efficacy in His intercession, this is True because of His Merit and therefore shall prevail with God.

The Holy Spirit is vital in answering the call here, and is the Gift that the Father gave to the Son for His cross work Acts 2:33

33Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.

And because we shall saved by His Life, The Holy Spirit communicates to all of God's elect, those Christ died for, the Life we have in Christ as He is our risen Head and Mediator, Hence as it is written, the Gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord, and the meritorious ground whereby the Spirit imparts life to dead elect sinners is the work or cross of Christ.

All men without exception do not receive this life, because Christ did not die for them who do not receive it.362

 

[brightfame52]

Shall be made righteous !

Rom 5:19

19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

This is a most blessed Truth of the Gospel, and if understood properly gives us proof that Christ death could not have been for all men without exception. Now its important to make this known, that all of the many that Christ by His obedience [death Phil 2:8] shall [promise] be made righteous.

The greek word for righteous is kathistēmi:

to set, place, put

a) to set one over a thing (in charge of it)

b) to appoint one to administer an office

c) to set down as, constitute, to declare, show to be

d) to constitute, to render, make, cause to be

e) to conduct or bring to a certain place

f) to show or exhibit one's self

1) come forward as

In this statement of shall be made righteous we have Two blessed Truths #1 The Many shall be declared righteous and they shall be shown to be righteous. That is they will be caused to be righteous. This is both legally and subjectively.

All those who are Legally declared righteous objectively by the obedience of ONE, shall also be caused to be righteous [subjectively] so subjective righteousness is the consequence of objective and legal righteousness.

Paul is stating that all for whom Christ died for , which was His One obedience unto death, will be made experientially or subjectively righteous, just as by the one man's disobedience [adam] the many were legally made sinners [before they were born] and we are made experientially subjectively sinners, there is just no way around the meaning of this contrast in vs 19. Now the only way to become subjectively righteous is by the New Birth, just as becoming subjectively sinful is by natural birth, the new birth is being born of the Spirit, so in essence what paul is saying here in Rom 5:19, is that Christ obedience unto death, for the many He represented, ensures their New Birth by the Spirit see Titus 3:5; Jn 3:3-8. This aspect of being made righteous is the commencing of our experiential sanctification, that is sanctification of the Spirit as in 2 Thess2:13

13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

For this sanctification is the process begun of being made experientially righteous Just as stated in Rom 5:19

So if one never becomes experientially righteous, then Christ obedience unto death was not for them.

 

[brightfame52]

More on Shall be made righteous !

Rom 5:19

19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

1 Cor 15:22

22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

Romans 5:19b can very well read so by the obedience of one shall many be made alive !

Even though in entirely different context, these scriptures teach the same principle of Truth, how the action of One as a Representative Head produced consequences and effects for whoever that one was a Representative Head; And so Just as Adam's disobedience effected sinnership and death, even so, Christ obedience for those He represented [His Church] effected righteousness and Life, hence Christ people are made alive to righteousness.

Thats why it says in Rom 5 18b

even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

Life here is not a legal term but a principle, its the greek word zoe and means:

life

a) the state of one who is possessed of vitality or is animate

b) every living soul

2) life

Its that spiritual life that Christ as the bread of Life gives to the elect world, the Church jn 6:33

33 For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.

Remember, in the OT what world did God give the bread from Heaven to ? Was it not just to His Chosen world of Israel, which was a type of His Church, His called out ones ?

So all those for whom Christ was a Head to, whom He represented, by His obedience [death] they shall be made alive, that is receive from Him Justification unto life..

They shall be made alive unto righteousness as per Rom 6:13

Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.

Thats because they were made alive by Christ366

 

[brightfame52]

The Negative consequences !

The Negative consequences that dishonor God, if Christ death does not actually save all for whom Christ died ! If the unscriptural man made doctrine that Christ died for all without exception is true it:

1. Reflects poorly on the Wisdom of God in that He purposed for all mens salvation and was disappointed in that purpose, which does not say much for Christ being the Wisdom of God 1 Cor 1:24

24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.

1 Cor 2:2-7

2 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.

3 And I was with you in weakness, and in fear, and in much trembling.

4 And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power:

5 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.

6 Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought:

7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:

2. It reflects poorly on the Justice of God, in fact it denotes Him as being unjust, to Christ and to those Christ died for [1 Cor 15:3] Because He did not discharge them, even though all their sins and transgressions were answered for by their Surety, or it would seem that the death of their Surety was enough to make a full forgiveness of sins for them.

3. This gives sinners reason to boast, for it appears that all the efficacy and success of all that Christ has accomplished has been put on hold until something is done by the sinner, something obviously Christ did not do, and so sinners become a principal in procuring their own Salvation or deliverance. Now men may fool themselves with their false humility, stating that there is nothing meritorious about accepting a gift, but the honest Truth is, if that is what made the difference in the eternal affair of being saved or Lost, then it may be accounted to their decision, their wisdom or prudence which made the difference and not Christ. They also can always feel better about themselves than their neighbor who may be lost for not being as wise as they were, which is a secret boast before God.

 

[Kermos]

Another popular Myth in the religious world today, is the Jesus Christ died or gave His Life for everyone in the world without exception, but the problem with that, is there is not one shred of scripture evidence that states that.

The scripture however does say that He died for His Sheep or His Church as per Jn 10:11,15

11I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.

15As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.

Eph 5:25

25Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

His People Isa 53:8

8He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken. cp Matt 1:21

Now, are all without exception His Sheep ? No

Are all without exception His Church ? No

Are all without exception His People ? No

For surely the seed of the serpent Gen 3:15 cannot be of His Sheep, His Church, or His People.

So why does the religous world proclaim that Jesus Christ died for all men without exception, when they have no scripture proof ? Because it is a Myth.

I went through 66 pages of this thread looking for people who used "loved the world" as a support for all men without exception, and I found all the following quoted people.

For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit,

John 3:16
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.

1 John 2:2
He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world.

For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Romans 6:10
For the death he died he died to sin, once for all, but the life he lives he lives to God.

So the Cross is only for "black lives matter"?..... or is it only for the "Homosexuals"?
Is the Cross only for the Baptists?
Is the Cross only for those who have a "Prayer Language"?
Is it only for the Catholics or people who worship Mary?
Is the Cross only for Trump Haters who live Twitter and reside in Poland?

Is the Cross only for the "elect"? And that's a NO, as its the "Preaching of the Cross, and the foolishness of preaching that saves"...which creates the Elect (born again), in the time of the Gentiles.

John 3:16. For God so loved the WORLD......... that He did what for the WORLD, brightframe52?

And what is the "WORLD", brightframe52?
Is it the oceans and the mountains, and the horses and the cats and the sunsets?

Or is the World, as John 3:16 is explaining to you....The world filled with SINNERS that Jesus was sent to DIE FOR on THE CROSS?

The passage states "For God so loved the world"

Uh no.

John 6:
[51] I am the living bread which came down from heaven:
IF (the Conditional Caveat)
any man (inclusive, any man)
eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.

The PEOPLE, who meet the IF condition...
Become there "AFTER", belonging to Christ!

God Already "Knows" who shall accept Jesus' Offering and become MADE IN Christ.

Men know, after they hear, learn, decide to Choose and commit. It's man's Election/ choice.

John 3:
[16] For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever

(ANY man, notice)

(condition, of choosing to Believe)

beliveth in Him should not perish,

(Promised Consequence)

but have everlasting life.

Myth, or no myth?
When Christ died, He "died for all", and tasted "death for every one". (2 Cor. 5:14; Hebrews 2:9) It had to be the second death that He "tasted", because what we call death, the Bible calls "sleep", which everyone experiences except those who will be translated (John 11:11-13; 1 Thessalonians 4:16,17). Therefore there is no reason why anyone should at last die the second death except that he has resisted or rejected the salvation already given him "in Christ" (Hebrews 2:3; the Greek word 'neglect' in the KJV means 'despise' ...see Matthew 22:5)
At Christ's baptism, the Father accepted the human race in His Son. (Matt. 3:17) Thus He is already the Savior of all men (John 4:42) no one can any longer doubt that the Lord has accepted him or her 'in Christ'. But Christ is "especially" the Savior "of those who believe" (1 Timothy 4:10).
Our salvation does not depend on our initiating a relationship with Him, it depends on our believing/responding to the relationship He has already initiated with us.
Christ has abolished death, the second death, (2 Timothy 1:10) for "every one", believers and unbelievers, for He has brought life, and for those who believe, He has also brought "immortality".
In Romans 5:15-18 Paul sets forth what Christ accomplished on the cross. Let me offer an analogy. Abraham Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation of 1863 illustrates that "verdict of acquittal" or "justification" for "all men" . Lincoln granted every slave in the confederate territories a legal freedom. But no-one could experience it until
1. He heard the good news and
2. Let it motivate him to walk out into liberty.
So the blood of the cross has brought everyone legal freedom from sin and its eternal consequences. Our part is to believe.
So Christ has accomplished something for every human being that has ever lived. He died the second death for "every man" and thus elected "all men" to be saved. In that sense, it is true that "He saved the world".
As one writer put it...with His own blood Christ has signed the emancipation papers for the whole race.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

What is the gospel???

2 Corinthians 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

When we shar the gospel, with whomsoever will hear, we can be confident that Christ died for that person, and that by simple faith he or she may lay hold of eternal life. We need have no fear that the person we are sharing the gospel with may be a part of some group of people who God in His infinite wisdom set aside and has predetermined to punish and destroy. Such a duplicitous God is not the God we serve.

"2 And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world."

"16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved."

I believe what John 3:16 says, That God loved the world so much that he sent his Only-begotten Son that whosoever exercises faith in him will not perish but have Everlasting life.

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<<<I believe what John 3:16 says, That God loved the world so much that he sent his Only-begotten Son that whosoever exercises faith in him will not perish but have Everlasting life.>>>

I believe that too.

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Because God so loved the world... that HE gave his only begotten son, that whoever should believe in Him, shall not perish but have eternal life.

I believe God is holding back His vengeance because HE longs that all man-kind would come to Him through Christ.

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John 3:16
"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

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That's it for the quoted people, brightfame52, and now I'm moving into referring to them in the second person - no longer referring to brightfame52 as "you".

The phrase "for God so loved the world" (John 3:16) is part of a larger sentence (John 3:14-16) as scripturally detailed in this thread that remains on this site, so every one of you removed the phrase from it's sentence thus you removed context, that is, you wickedly subtracted from the Word of God.

Since you believe the word "world" means every single person everywhere in the extracted phrase "God so loved the world" (John 3:16) as you try to subtract the surrounding context, then based on your linguistical approach this means that you believe Jesus does the works of Beelzebul, the ruler of demons, since Jesus spoke this sequence of words out of His mouth "I by Beelzebub cast out demons" (Matthew 12:27), so this means you further believe that "Jesus is a demon" since Beelzebub is the ruler of demons.

 

[Addy]

@Kermos ... Well Goody Gum drops for you.... So nice that you have all this time on your hands.

More play on words and preoccupation with accusing the brethren.. GOOD GRIEF!!!!

 

[Kermos]

Are you here just to troll and stir up the pot? "Not a shred of evidence" when the Bible is crystal clear. It would be a total waste of time saying anything more.

The Bible is crystal clear, and you add your thoughts to the Bible in order to practice your free will precepts of men that lead to worship in vain (Matthew 15:9).

You publicly classified yourself as part of "the whole world" thus you claimed to be lying in the evil one (1 John 5:19), and you cling to a thing called universalism because you claim "the whole world" is everybody everywhere being saved by Christ as recorded in 1 John 2:2, and here is the proof post.

You showed that you would rather be classified as in the evil one as opposed to acknowledging that the word "world" is limited by the scope of the context of its use within the New Testament scripture, and you would rather support unscriptural universalism instead of believing the Word of God.

For a proper scriptural analysis of the word "world" in a New Testament please see John 3:16, The Word World, and New Testament Usage

 

[Addy]

Me thinks someone pooped in your cornflakes this morning... @Kermos

 

[Kermos]

Me thinks someone pooped in your cornflakes this morning... @Kermos

You bear false witness. I'm allergic to corn.

There is no level that a person can choose Lord Jesus because He says "you did not choose Me, but I chose you" (John 15:16) as well as "I chose you out of the world" (John 15:19, includes salvation) - Jesus, being God, did not provide any exception for choosing toward Jesus. Lord Jesus speaks to all believers in all time because He also said "I do not ask on behalf of these alone, but for those also who believe in Me through their word" (John 17:20)! All these words of Jesus are at the same supper! All glory is God's! With man, salvation is impossible (Matthew 19:25-26)! All glory in the salvation of man is God's (John 15:5, Isaiah 42:8, Psalm 3:8)!