Watching History Repeat Itself

[Ziggy]

Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
Gen 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
Gen 1:4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

Jer 4:23 I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light.
Jer 4:24 I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly.
Jer 4:25 I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled.
Jer 4:26 I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger.
Jer 4:27 For thus hath the LORD said, The whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end.
Jer 4:28 For this shall the earth mourn, and the heavens above be black: because I have spoken it, I have purposed it, and will not repent, neither will I turn back from it.
Jer 4:29 The whole city shall flee for the noise of the horsemen and bowmen; they shall go into thickets, and climb up upon the rocks: every city shall be forsaken, and not a man dwell therein.

Jhn 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Jhn 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
Jhn 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Jhn 1:4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
Jhn 1:5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
2Pe 3:11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
2Pe 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
2Pe 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
Rev 21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
Rev 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
Gen 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
Gen 1:4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

Rev 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

 

[Ziggy]

I was looking at this word "void" in particular.

Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

Jer 4:23 I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light.

bôhûw, bo'-hoo; from an unused root (meaning to be empty); a vacuity, i.e. (superficially) an undistinguishable ruin:—emptiness, void.

Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
2Pe 3:11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
2Pe 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

Isa 13:6 Howl ye; for the day of the LORD is at hand; it shall come as a destruction from the Almighty.

Isa 13:9 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.

Eze 30:3 For the day is near, even the day of the LORD is near, a cloudy day; it shall be the time of the heathen.

Amo 5:18 Woe unto you that desire the day of the LORD! to what end is it for you? the day of the LORD is darkness, and not light.

Oba 1:15 For the day of the LORD is near upon all the heathen: as thou hast done, it shall be done unto thee: thy reward shall return upon thine own head.

 

[Ziggy]

Mal 4:1 For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.

Mal 4:2 But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall.
Mal 4:3 And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the LORD of hosts.
Mal 4:4 Remember ye the law of Moses my servant, which I commanded unto him in Horeb for all Israel, with the statutes and judgments.

Mal 4:5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:
Mal 4:6 And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.

 

[Ziggy]

Rom 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
Rom 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
Rom 1:30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
Rom 1:31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
Rom 1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

Jer 5:21 Hear now this, O foolish people, and without understanding; which have eyes, and see not; which have ears, and hear not:
Jer 5:22 Fear ye not me? saith the LORD: will ye not tremble at my presence, which have placed the sand for the bound of the sea by a perpetual decree, that it cannot pass it: and though the waves thereof toss themselves, yet can they not prevail; though they roar, yet can they not pass over it?
Jer 5:23 But this people hath a revolting and a rebellious heart; they are revolted and gone.
Jer 5:24 Neither say they in their heart, Let us now fear the LORD our God, that giveth rain, both the former and the latter, in his season: he reserveth unto us the appointed weeks of the harvest.
Jer 5:25 Your iniquities have turned away these things, and your sins have withholden good things from you.
Jer 5:26 For among my people are found wicked men: they lay wait, as he that setteth snares; they set a trap, they catch men.
Jer 5:27 As a cage is full of birds, so are their houses full of deceit: therefore they are become great, and waxen rich.
Jer 5:28 They are waxen fat, they shine: yea, they overpass the deeds of the wicked: they judge not the cause, the cause of the fatherless, yet they prosper; and the right of the needy do they not judge.
Jer 5:29 Shall I not visit for these things? saith the LORD: shall not my soul be avenged on such a nation as this?
Jer 5:30 A wonderful and horrible thing is committed in the land;
Jer 5:31 The prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests bear rule by their means; and my people love to have it so: and what will ye do in the end thereof?

Jer 4:23 I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light.
Jer 4:24 I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly.
Jer 4:25 I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled.
Jer 4:26 I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger.

 

[Ziggy]

Jhn 9:5 As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world.

Jhn 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.

Mat 5:13 Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men.
Mat 5:14 Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.
Mat 5:15 Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house.
Mat 5:16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

2Th 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
NLT: For this lawlessness is already at work secretly, and it will remain secret until the one who is holding it back steps out of the way.

secretly, will remain secret... until.

2Th 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2Th 2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
2Th 2:5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
2Th 2:6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.

the one who is holding it back steps out of the way.

Exo 32:8 They have turned aside quickly out of the way which I commanded them: they have made them a molten calf, and have worshipped it, and have sacrificed thereunto, and said, These be thy gods, O Israel, which have brought thee up out of the land of Egypt.

Psa 106:19 They made a calf in Horeb, and worshipped the molten image.

Act 7:41 And they made a calf in those days, and offered sacrifice unto the idol, and rejoiced in the works of their own hands.

Rev 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

Hos 8:6 For from Israel was it also: the workman made it; therefore it is not God: but the calf of Samaria shall be broken in pieces.

 

[Ziggy]

What is the calf of Samaria?

 

[Curtis]

Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
Gen 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
Gen 1:4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

Jer 4:23 I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light.
Jer 4:24 I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly.
Jer 4:25 I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled.
Jer 4:26 I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger.
Jer 4:27 For thus hath the LORD said, The whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end.
Jer 4:28 For this shall the earth mourn, and the heavens above be black: because I have spoken it, I have purposed it, and will not repent, neither will I turn back from it.
Jer 4:29 The whole city shall flee for the noise of the horsemen and bowmen; they shall go into thickets, and climb up upon the rocks: every city shall be forsaken, and not a man dwell therein.

Jhn 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Jhn 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
Jhn 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Jhn 1:4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
Jhn 1:5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
2Pe 3:11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
2Pe 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
2Pe 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
Rev 21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
Rev 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
Gen 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
Gen 1:4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

Rev 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

Ever notice that Jesus said that both His second coming, and the Day of the Lord, will come suddenly, as a thief in the night?

That’s because both occur simultaneously.

Both the Day of the Lord, and the son of perdition causing the abomination of desolation, are key timeline events, which prove that the rapture will be at the mid- trib point.

 

[Emily Nghiem]

Ever notice that Jesus said that both His second coming, and the Day of the Lord, will come suddenly, as a thief in the night?

That’s because both occur simultaneously.

Both the Day of the Lord, and the son of perdition causing the abomination of desolation, are key timeline events, which prove that the rapture will be at the mid- trib point.

I understand each person receives Christ, which may deepen in stages not all at once, and collectively all humanity receives Jesus as a whole. And the Rapture process represents this both individually and collectively.

The way the grief and recovery process changes people in stages, like the 12 steps as spiritual healing and resolution to reach peace, this can be different for each person.

Some people have a more disruptive tumultuous process while others experience peace step by step.

My spiritual process had huge sudden upheavals, and even times of overload and devastating crashes.

I hope others may receive in less traumatizing ways.

I pray more people prepare by forgiving as much as we can and not let ill feelings suppress and build up until they explode.

I believe Christian Spiritual Healing makrs this procress more protected and smooth, not so fearful or stressful to go through drastic changes to overcome the past and receive God's greater blessings in His Kingdom.

James 5:16
Matthew 5:44
Matthew 18:15-20

 

[Ziggy]

Ever notice that Jesus said that both His second coming, and the Day of the Lord, will come suddenly, as a thief in the night?

That’s because both occur simultaneously.

Both the Day of the Lord, and the son of perdition causing the abomination of desolation, are key timeline events, which prove that the rapture will be at the mid- trib point.

You know what is disturbing?
As you say that both the Day of the Lord (a day of darkness) and the son of perdition (also under darkness), coming simultaneously.
I think the only ones that will see the darkness are those who do not have the light.

But we see the day approaching.. like storm clouds brewing.

I'm not going to argue the rapture. Pre- post- or mid.
I believe we will have to go through tribulation and be tried like gold.
Perhaps some have already had their "time" of tribulation.
Perhaps some will be spared tribulation.
Only God knows each man's destiny with time.

Although Revelations says that Satan will cast some in prison for 10 days.
Not exactly sure what those 10 days are.

I'm watching the world around me.. today.
And there are some going through much tribulation, while others are walking around mindless of it.
We are told we will be hated for Jesus' name sake. We are told we will suffer.
But to what extant only God knows how much each individual can bare.
And will provide an escape I believe on an individual basis.
Even though it will only seem a twinkling of the eye when it all falls in place.

The bible says, he who lets is taken out of the way.
I believe this is speaking of the Holy Spirit which those who believe have been sealed with.
And then the son of perdition will be revealed.
Beginning, middle, end... Maybe it will be the same or different for each person.

We may already be passed on when this occurs. I don't know what tomorrow will bring, whether it will be a day I live or the day I die.
All I am able to do is live for this day and now. And hope I don't fall into any temptations that could lead me out of the right way.

Thank You
Hugs

 

[Stumpmaster]

What is the calf of Samaria?

Matthew Poole's Commentary Hosea 8
Thy calf; *Jeroboam at first set up two calves, at Dan and Beth-el, but it is probable that in process of time there were more set up in other places, for when Israel forgot his God he built temples, Hosea 8:14. The calf then here is the chief idol set up in Samaria, and worshipped there. The prophet, in contempt of the idol, and in derision of their folly, gives it its right name, it is no god, but a calf; nor yet so much, for that it is senseless and without life.

* See 1 Kings 12:25-33

 

[Ziggy]

Matthew Poole's Commentary Hosea 8
Thy calf; *Jeroboam at first set up two calves, at Dan and Beth-el, but it is probable that in process of time there were more set up in other places, for when Israel forgot his God he built temples, Hosea 8:14. The calf then here is the chief idol set up in Samaria, and worshipped there. The prophet, in contempt of the idol, and in derision of their folly, gives it its right name, it is no god, but a calf; nor yet so much, for that it is senseless and without life.

* See 1 Kings 12:25-33

I see this beast and it's image and likeness in the book of Revelation.
I thought about it...
The serpent in the garden, it grew until it became a dragon.
Kind of like a mustard seed growing into a tree that covers the earth with it's branches.

This calf of Samaria, the calf that Aaron made, the calf idol and image is throughout the OT.
Is this the Beast that began as a calf, the same way the dragon began as a snake?

What was it about the "calf" that they made images of it to worship?
Why not a rabbit or a pony...
why a calf?

Thank You
Hugs

 

[Curtis]

I understand each person receives Christ, which may deepen in stages not all at once, and collectively all humanity receives Jesus as a whole. And the Rapture process represents this both individually and collectively.

I’m sorry, but you understand wrongly. What you said is called universalism - all of humanity does not RECEIVE JESUS - in fact, John 1:11-12 is on the topic of RECEIVING JESUS - Jesus came for His own, but they RECEIVED HIM NOT, but those who DO receive Jesus, become children of God.

In fact Jesus said most of humanity will be damned, and only a few will be saved.

 

[Emily Nghiem]

I’m sorry, but you understand wrongly. What you said is called universalism - all of humanity does not RECEIVE JESUS - in fact, John 1:11-12 is on the topic of RECEIVING JESUS - Jesus came for His own, but they RECEIVED HIM NOT, but those who DO receive Jesus, become children of God.

In fact Jesus said most of humanity will be damned, and only a few will be saved.

Dear @Curtis
Where we agree is Jesus came to save and offer reconciliation between man and God's truth and laws.

If God calls you to warn people very few are saved, and this helps you to share with the right people who are motivated to receive Jesus by explaining it this way, by all means, follow the path and purpose God calls you to teach.

The invitation that God calls me to share is that FORGIVENESS opens the door to letting God in and establishing the Kingdom of God among us through Christ Jesus.

You are right, and I agree it is a very narrow gate where we agree to forgive fully and submit to the Lord.

That is already going to be a very narrow difficult passage and process for people to grasp much less proceed through.

Why make it any harder by threatening or discouraging people that very few will be saved.

This sounds unforgiving and trying to make people fail.

The point of God's love is giving us grace that we can succeed.

Love speaks stronger than fear.

Perfect love casts out fear.

Forgiveness is the key to Heaven.
As long as we agree to let God in, by handing things over in faith in Christ Jesus, then God has dominion over the rest.

Our part is to ask God's help with Forgiveness.

Very hard to do.
I prefer to encourage people to receive forgiveness and healing in Christ.

Not scare them away, fearing that Salvation is only for other people not them. How sad!

 

[Curtis]

The bible says, he who lets is taken out of the way.
I believe this is speaking of the Holy Spirit which those who believe have been sealed with.
And then the son of perdition will be revealed.

The son of perdition is revealed at mid trib, per Daniel, and then scriptures show that the second coming of Christ and the day of the Lord occur together, such as Zechariah 14:1 the day of the Lord comes, and so does Jesus with all the saints, in 14:5.

In Matthew 24 we have the son of perdition in verse 15, the day of the lord in verse 29, and the second coming of Jesus in verse 30.

In 2 Thessalonians 2:1-4, Paul states we will not be gathered together to be with Jesus at His coming, and also when the day of the Lord the Day of the Lord occurs, until after the son of perdition occurs.

This puts the rapture at His second coming, after the son of perdition is revealed - which happens in the middle of Daniels 70th week, per Daniel - right smack in the middle of the tribulation.

To pre-empt those who don’t accept that the Day of the Lord is simultaneous with the second coming of Christ- when we back up one chapter to 2 Thessalonians 2:7-10 under the heading THE JUDGMENT AT CHRISTS COMING - it shows unequivocally that at His coming, He comes with flaming fire, taking vengeance, and with destruction - which is what happens at the Day of the Lord.

 

[Curtis]

Why make it any harder by threatening or discouraging people that very few will be saved.

This sounds unforgiving and trying to make people fail.

Since I was quoting what Jesus told us, you probably need to take that complaint up with Jesus Himself, I would say.

Shalom Aleichem

 

[Emily Nghiem]

Since I was quoting what Jesus told us, you probably need to take that complaint up with Jesus Himself, I would say.

Shalom Aleichem

No, you interpret it quite differently
to judge PEOPLE instead of judging JUDGMENT.

My issue is your interpretation.

The narrow gate of righteousness is
where we agree in Christ.

That is a very narrow passage for each of us.

This applies to us, all of us, having that same narrow path and focus of judgment.

I hope this makes sense!

Peace to you also @Curtis
May we all adhere to the narrow gate of righteousness where we agree in Christ.

For where 2 or 3 are gathered in Jesus name,
He is there in the midst of us.
And anything we ask that touches the Earth
is done by our Father in Heaven.
Matthew 18:15-20

I do Not agree with interpreting the narrow passage to exclude whole persons from Salvation but use it to mean that we ALL seek agreement in Christ, even if the points and path are very limited.

It is better to drop the majority of what we believe that isn't perfectly in agreement, and just agree on what is God's perfect will and universal truth.

That applies to ALL people @Curtis
not just a few!

 

[Stumpmaster]

I see this beast and it's image and likeness in the book of Revelation.
I thought about it...
The serpent in the garden, it grew until it became a dragon.
Kind of like a mustard seed growing into a tree that covers the earth with it's branches.

This calf of Samaria, the calf that Aaron made, the calf idol and image is throughout the OT.
Is this the Beast that began as a calf, the same way the dragon began as a snake?

What was it about the "calf" that they made images of it to worship?
Why not a rabbit or a pony...
why a calf?

Thank You
Hugs

Obviously any graven image made for the purpose of worship is an abomination.

Exo 20:3-6 "You shall have no other gods before Me. (4) "You shall not make for yourself a carved image—any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; (5) you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, (6) but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.

In Biblical times the Egyptians worshipped an immense menagery of animals and a whole host of natural elements. The Israelites who demanded an idol of Aaron were exposed to the idols of Egypt and a cute little calf of gold would be a familiar and endearing item that was easy to make. The spiritual inspiration for such idols has much to do with the characteristics they represent so a calf is naturally popular as much as an idol as it is a pet. You will be aware that Hinduism considers cows to be sacred deiities.

• Apis – A live bull worshipped as a god at Memphis and seen as a manifestation of Ptah[66]

List of Egyptian gods and goddesses - Simple English Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Beasts of various descriptions are frequently found in the prophetic visions recorded in the Old and New Testaments. What they symbolise is fascinating but not necessarily intended to be taken literally.

 

[Ziggy]

all of humanity does not RECEIVE JESUS

Jhn 1:6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
Jhn 1:7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.
Jhn 1:8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
Jhn 1:9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.

Without quoting the entire chapter...
I believe everyone is born with the light in them.
But they can reject the light.
Or they can receive or accept the light.

What is this light which lighteth EVERY man that cometh into the world?

Hugs

 

[Ziggy]

The son of perdition is revealed at mid trib, per Daniel, and then scriptures show that the second coming of Christ and the day of the Lord occur together, such as Zechariah 14:1 the day of the Lord comes, and so does Jesus with all the saints, in 14:5.

In Matthew 24 we have the son of perdition in verse 15, the day of the lord in verse 29, and the second coming of Jesus in verse 30.

In 2 Thessalonians 2:1-4, Paul states we will not be gathered together to be with Jesus at His coming, and also when the day of the Lord the Day of the Lord occurs, until after the son of perdition occurs.

This puts the rapture at His second coming, after the son of perdition is revealed - which happens in the middle of Daniels 70th week, per Daniel - right smack in the middle of the tribulation.

To pre-empt those who don’t accept that the Day of the Lord is simultaneous with the second coming of Christ- when we back up one chapter to 2 Thessalonians 2:7-10 under the heading THE JUDGMENT AT CHRISTS COMING - it shows unequivocally that at His coming, He comes with flaming fire, taking vengeance, and with destruction - which is what happens at the Day of the Lord.

So if I were to consider Lot being taken out of Sodom before God rained down fire and brimstone,
You would consider this mid-trib?
Because Lot had to vex his soul (tribulation) for a while before the Angels told him to COME OUT OF HER MY PEOPLE..
Would that be a good example?
Hugs

 

[Ziggy]

Obviously any graven image made for the purpose of worship is an abomination.

Exo 20:3-6 "You shall have no other gods before Me. (4) "You shall not make for yourself a carved image—any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; (5) you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, (6) but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.

In Biblical times the Egyptians worshipped an immense menagery of animals and a whole host of natural elements. The Israelites who demanded an idol of Aaron were exposed to the idols of Egypt and a cute little calf of gold would be a familiar and endearing item that was easy to make. The spiritual inspiration for such idols has much to do with the characteristics they represent so a calf is naturally popular as much as an idol as it is a pet. You will be aware that Hinduism considers cows to be sacred deiities.

• Apis – A live bull worshipped as a god at Memphis and seen as a manifestation of Ptah[66]

List of Egyptian gods and goddesses - Simple English Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Beasts of various descriptions are frequently found in the prophetic visions recorded in the Old and New Testaments. What they symbolise is fascinating but not necessarily intended to be taken literally.

I find it interesting that we have a BULL and a BEAR market.. which has to do with money.

A calf is a small animal. Could be a small bull. Grows up into a world dominating BULL, market.... buy and sell comes to mind.

A secular bull market is a long-term, overarching trend that lasts 5 years to 25 years. A bull market can experience a market correction, drop 10%, and then resume its upward swing without entering a bear market. A secular bull market can have smaller bear markets within it. These are called primary market trends and happen frequently.

That reminds me of the beast that was wounded and was revived...

Rev 13:14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

the love of money is the ROOT of all evil.

Deu 29:18 Lest there should be among you man, or woman, or family, or tribe, whose heart turneth away this day from the LORD our God, to go and serve the gods of these nations; lest there should be among you a root that beareth gall and wormwood;

Job 29:19 My root was spread out by the waters, and the dew lay all night upon my branch.

Jer 9:15 Therefore thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Behold, I will feed them, even this people, with wormwood, and give them water of gall to drink.

Jer 23:15 Therefore thus saith the LORD of hosts concerning the prophets; Behold, I will feed them with wormwood, and make them drink the water of gall: for from the prophets of Jerusalem is profaneness gone forth into all the land.

Amo 5:7 Ye who turn judgment to wormwood, and leave off righteousness in the earth,

Rev 8:11 And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter.

bitter root. Mammon..

Just thinking..
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