The Gospel is actually good news and here is why.

[prism]

On the contrary:

Paul wrote in Romans chapter 7, that after we have been saved, there is a continuing conflict between the flesh and the Spirit - in choosing to walk in the flesh and live in sin - or choose to walk after the Holy Spirit (that now dwells in us) - and Paul warns us in Romans 8, that choosing to live in sins (works of the flesh), will keep us out of heaven:

That is not contrary to my original statement..."The nature of the new birth/new man is not wanting to sin."
Elsewhere I have quoted...

Galatians 5:17 (KJV) For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.

Though we have a new nature (new desires) the battle remains.

 

[Enoch111]

Though we have a new nature (new desires) the battle remains.

However, according to some there is no battle. If a Christian sins he simply loses his salvation. Some even claim sinless perfection.

 

[Enoch111]

Every single time Paul mentions THE LAW, WORKS, WORKS OF THE LAW, THE LAW OF MOSES, or WORKS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS, it is always in reference to works of the law of Moses.

Except when he speaks about Abraham, who lived long before Moses.

 

[marks]

No? What must you do to stay saved?

Hebrews 7:25 (KJV) Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.

I guess what Jesus prays for doesn't come to pass?

There really is only one way to take this passage! Jesus is enough to save us.

Much love!

 

[prism]

However, according to some there is no battle. If a Christian sins he simply loses his salvation. Some even claim sinless perfection.

Sadly, that is the case with some.

 

[marks]

Abram/Abraham had many missteps from Ur to Mt. Moriah as his faith grew stronger and stronger.

Amen to all you said there!

20 He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;
21 And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform.
22 And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness.

Something about this part, where it says, "was strong in faith", it's a passive voice, "he was strengthened in faith, giving glory to God". God made his faith strong, and so God receives the glory.

Much love!

 

[prism]

Something about this part, where it says, "was strong in faith", it's a passive voice, "he was strengthened in faith, giving glory to God". God made his faith strong, and so God receives the glory.

Excellent point!

 

[marks]

Like it or not, James is part of the Bible. Your comment is an attack on part of the scriptures. At the same time, the Bible never once addresses legalists, legalism, or anything close to it. Jesus taught us to teach and obey the least commandments, which would be legalism, as legalism is strict adherence to the law. I challenge you to go through the KJV Bible and show a single instance where the word legalist comes up.

Naturally this word is not found in the King James Bible. Other words however signified sects of legalists, and legalist points of view.

Jesus gives us two commandments, to trust Him, and to love others, and declares us dead to all other Law.

We are reconciled to God - how much? To what extent are we reconciled to God?

Much love!

 

[CharismaticLady]

Except when he speaks about Abraham, who lived long before Moses.

I understand what Curtis is saying. Abraham was before the Law. God imputed righteousness to Abraham because He believed and obeyed God. Abraham could hear God's voice.

Born again Christians do not have "imputed" righteousness as is commonly, but erroneously taught. We are born again with the seed of the Father so our righteousness is real. God is literally inside us, not on the outside and just imputes righteousness to those before the Law who obeyed Him.

 

[BloodBought 1953]

You have faith in Jesus which is excellent, and I shall stop there, except to suggest you read all Christ's teachings, which in most Bibles is highlighted in red as you will know, and simply follow on. Any problems and you only have to ask, in the meantime I, and I am sure many others will pray for your continued growth in grace. God bless.

Gee, thanks, Teach......Feel Free to contact “ me” if you ever want to understand the Grace Plus NOTHING or Nothing But The Blood That Saves a person and keeps him Saved.....a “ Grace” you fail to understand because their is a real good chance it was never bestowed upon you....

 

[BloodBought 1953]

reSo people will fight the truth till their dying breath since they don't want to show their love for God by a full surrender to Him as an empty vessel. The foolish among us call that a gospel of works.


Surrender to God? I don't call that “ a Gospel Of Works” ...... I call that Wisdom....a Wisdom Given by the Holy Spirit AFTER one is Saved.....I did it....It was the best move I ever made......I did not HAVE to do it .....it has Nothing to do with Salvation, though ——- THAT was simply me accepting a free Gift ....given to those that Trust Jesus Alone for their Salvation.....

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Jesus declared Zacchaeus righteous based on the Old Covenant standard of righteousness. He paid restitution to the ones he had cheated, which constitutes a righteous approach under the law.



Zac only did what the Law Demanded That he do.....

Nobody ever gets declared “Righteous” unless the are like Abraham.....” Abraham BELIEVED GOD and it was COUNTED as “ Righteous” .....You are making stuff up....this us serious stuff we are dealing with here....you need to be more Precise with your words....words “ DO” have meanings, you know...

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Let the last sentence where you say, "the specificity of the narrative shows that salvation does NOT always mean, or even usually mean, an eternal salvation," be a warning to the OSAS people.



Perhaps it is YOU that needs the “ Warning” .....here it is——

God is saving those that Trust Him to keep His Word—- That is what Saving Faith is ..God says that He will SAVE TO THE UTTERMOST all that will come to Him through Jesus Christ .....

God is a big Proponent Of OSAS and proves it with that one verse....You doubt God and His Word with your False Gospel Additions....That ain’t Faith.....consider YOURSELF Warned....

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Like it or not, James is part of the Bible. Your comment is an attack on part of the scriptures. At the same time, the Bible never once addresses legalists, legalism, or anything close to it. Jesus taught us to teach and obey the least commandments, which would be legalism, as legalism is strict adherence to the law. I challenge you to go through the KJV Bible and show a single instance where the word legalist comes up.

“ Obeying the Commandments” is not Legalism .....it is being smart.....the Commandments were like an “ Instruction Manual” on how to live a blessed life .....The Wiser you are, the more you will try to adhere to them....they are for our Benefit....

Obedience to the Law is a great thing—— UNLESS you think that that “ Obedience” is what gets you Saved or Keeps you Saved—— THAT and ONLY THAT is what turns Law Keeping into LEGALISM....

Be SMART ..... Be WISE.....do your best to follow the Commandments ! .....God will bless you for it! He just won’t Save you for it.....Salvation comes from seeing that you CANT “ be obedient” 24/7 and you MUST have a Savior....

Paul said the Law was “ weak and useless” as it had NO Power to save.....He said the Law was only good if it was used properly....how is it “ used properly?” If your answer is “ we use it by letting it take us by the hand and leasing us to Jesus....” ..... go to the head of the class.....

 

[Enoch111]

Born again Christians do not have "imputed" righteousness as is commonly, but erroneously taught.

That is completely false. No one can enter Heaven without the imputed righteousness of Christ. The "robe" of righteousness, which in God's eyes is fine linen, clean and white.

Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready. And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints. (Rev 19).

This righteousness does not originate with the saints. It is the gift of God: I will greatly rejoice in the LORD, my soul shall be joyful in my God; for he hath clothed me with the garments of salvation, he hath covered me with the robe of righteousness, as a bridegroom decketh himself with ornaments, and as a bride adorneth herself with her jewels. (Isa 61:10)

Did you notice that? "He hath clothed me"? So as usual, CL, you are simply full of false doctrines, and trying to mislead Christians constantly with your erroneous beliefs. I just hope no one is deceived by you.

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Obedience is how we show our faith. Taking up our cross daily to follow Jesus is showing faith. The devils believe Jesus Christ is the Son of God and tremble, but they are not saved.

The devils are Unsaved because they did not Trust God .....the same reason Anybody that winds up damned got that way.....

Showing Faith is Resting in the Gospel Of the Finished Work Of The Cross.......This “Resting” ( knowing for certain that you are Saved ) spurs true peace and a Love for God ......That Love spurs Obedience.....an Obedience NOT driven by obligation or fear.....any obedience is better than the lack of it , but if your ‘ obedience” is not stemming from a Love for God, it’s just Dead Works....

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Somebody mentioned earlier that Paul never used the term “ Legalism” or “ Legalist” in his writings .....that, Of course , is a true observation.....kudos to you.....

In Reality , here *IS* what Paul called those that attempted to add Works to the Gospel Of Pure Grace——“ Bewitchers”.....” Trouble- Makers” .....”Liars”......and “ Perverts”...... feel better now ?

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Born again Christians do not have "imputed" righteousness as is commonly, but erroneously taught.


The year 2021 is still relatively new, but so far this bit of ignorance gets my vote for “ Most Blasphemous Remark Of The Year” ........

Watching somebody descend into sheer madness is quite a sad thing to behold.... May God have Mercy on this poor, confused girl...

 

[CharismaticLady]

That is completely false. No one can enter Heaven without the imputed righteousness of Christ. The "robe" of righteousness, which in God's eyes is fine linen, clean and white.

Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready. And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints. (Rev 19).

This righteousness does not originate with the saints. It is the gift of God: I will greatly rejoice in the LORD, my soul shall be joyful in my God; for he hath clothed me with the garments of salvation, he hath covered me with the robe of righteousness, as a bridegroom decketh himself with ornaments, and as a bride adorneth herself with her jewels. (Isa 61:10)

Did you notice that? "He hath clothed me"? So as usual, CL, you are simply full of false doctrines, and trying to mislead Christians constantly with your erroneous beliefs. I just hope no one is deceived by you.

We must be like Jesus to be His brethren. Righteous and Holy Rev. 22:11

 

[dev553344]

Tired of the Gospel being turned into a system of law that only drags us down, robs us of joy
and stifles our love for the One who died for us?
Tired of being rerouted back to the law in order to be sanctified or to prove that your faith is genuine?


The Gospel is actually good news and here is why.

1. God has actually concluded all people under sin, whether they be Jew or Gentile, rich poor, black or white etc. (Gal 3:22)

2. Jesus Christ perfectly fulfilled all the requirements for righteousness AND took all our sins upon Himself and took the punishment that those sins fully deserve. (Rom 5:19)

3. through faith, He declares us righteous, (Rom 3:28) robes us in that righteousness, (Gal 3:27), regenerates us as His children (Jn 1:12), and freely grants us the Holy Spirit (Gal 3:2) to strengthen us, enlighten us, convict, comfort and guide us and most of all, direct our hearts into the love of Jesus (Jn 16:7-14), who has granted eternal life as a free gift through faith in Him (Rom 5:15-18).

4. We died to the law that held us that we may live anew to God. (Rom 7:1-4) (Gal 2:19)


Please keep the responses civil and I'll try to do the same.

You left out all the scripture that condemns sinners and those that don't help the poor and sick. Jesus can be found teaching those things.