The Gospel is actually good news and here is why.

[BloodBought 1953]

We must be like Jesus to be His brethren. Righteous and Holy Rev. 22:11

I “AM” like Jesus ....I am a friend to Sinners and I P*** Off Religious people......I am kind, quick to forgive and sensitive to the feelings and struggles of others.....I don’t spend my time with a phony smile on my face, pretending to be “ sweet” to everybody , basically trying to imitate a “ milquetoast,sweet , lovable” Jesus That never existed.......what made Jesus , “ Jesus ?”.....His FAITH!
“The Righteous shall *LIVE* by Faith.....that’s all I try to do—- Practice Faith.

 

[prism]

You left out all the scripture that condemns sinners and those that don't help the poor and sick.

I have a catch-all from Paul for us...

Romans 3:10-12 (KJV) As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

Jesus can be found teaching those things.

Very true...

Matthew 19:25-26 (KJV) When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved? But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.

 

[CharismaticLady]

4. We died to the law that held us that we may live anew to God. (Rom 7:1-4) (Gal 2:19)

prism, I liked your post, but I haven't read all the pages, but I just want to know if you know the reason we are no longer under the Old Covenant Law, the Ten Commandments? I would like to converse with you. What did Jesus's death do for us to free us from the old law? Are we lawless now? Paul says no, we "establish" the law. In what way do we establish the law? What took the place of the Ten Commandments?

 

[marks]

Faith establishes the Law by it's requirement.

You MUST believe, because if you don't, the Law will condemn you.

Romans 3:28-31 KJV
28) Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
29) Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also:
30) Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.
31) Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

The man is justified by faith BECAUSE the Law is true and valid, and all are guilty before it. This is true whether you are speaking of the Mosaic Law, or the Law written in the heart, the conscience. As all are guilty before the Law, the ONLY salvation is through faith.

It does not mean that we are to "live unto the Law", let it be our taskmaster. God does not tell us that, what He tells us is that we have died to the Law, so that we can serve Christ.

Faith releases of from the Law, proving that the Law required a release.

Much love!

 

[prism]

You still have free will, and Romans 6 says you can choose. But this is also why Paul commanded to not quench the Spirit. You can stay in the Spirit and never commit willful sins of lawlessness, just minor sins not unto death called trespasses. Leviticus 5:15; Numbers 15:22-29; Matthew 6:14-15. And as long as you stay reconciled with the brethren and forgive each other, those are automatically cleansed, 1 John 1:7; 1 John 2:1

I like how this thread has slowly morphed from the Good News of our sins being dealt with at Calvary, to
"You can stay in the Spirit and never commit willful sins of lawlessness". This is mixing Justification with sanctification, the latter is an inner work of the Spirit and involves our cooperation, the former is a total free work of Christ done outside us. The OP involves the Good News that happened 2000 years ago on a Hill called Calvary and excludes our involvement except it's a message to be believed.

 

[prism]

In what way do we establish the law? What took the place of the Ten Commandments?

"By faith (in Christ) we establish the law"
The Scriptures have already established the fact that ALL, Jew and Gentile have broken the law in word, deed, thought and intent of the heart. As long as a person continues lifts the law as a standard of righteousness but fails at keeping it in word, deed, thought and intent of the heart, they bring disgrace to the law; but when a person places their faith in Jesus, the only one who kept the law as it should, and exalts in Him, they are establishing the law because they are establishing not only the Law Giver but also the Law Keeper.

 

[CharismaticLady]

"By faith (in Christ) we establish the law"
The Scriptures have already established the fact that ALL, Jew and Gentile have broken the law in word, deed, thought and intent of the heart. As long as a person continues lifts the law as a standard of righteousness but fails at keeping it in word, deed, thought and intent of the heart, they bring disgrace to the law; but when a person places their faith in Jesus, the only one who kept the law as it should, and exalts in Him, they are establishing the law because they are establishing not only the Law Giver but also the Law Keeper.

Yes, Jesus was the first one who kept the law as it should, but that was because He was conceived by the seed of the Father. He lived His whole life as a pattern for born again believers who are given the same seed of the Father. That is why in Romans 8:29-30 Jesus was the firstborn of many brethren, and NOT just the only one.

My friend, this is the truth that will set us free from sin. Jesus does it all through His gift of the Holy Spirit. We just can't quench the Spirit, but stay walking in the Spirit, because without holiness, no man shall see God

 

[BloodBought 1953]

prism, I liked your post, but I haven't read all the pages, but I just want to know if you know the reason we are no longer under the Old Covenant Law, the Ten Commandments? I would like to converse with you. What did Jesus's death do for us to free us from the old law? Are we lawless now? Paul says no, we "establish" the law. In what way do we establish the law? What took the place of the Ten Commandments?

You have something vastly superior to the Law to guide you now.....it’s called “The Holy Spirit”.

 

[CharismaticLady]

You have something vastly superior to the Law to guide you now.....it’s called “The Holy Spirit”.

Yes, you know that is what I teach. So why do you teach against sinlessness? Does the Spirit really guide us into sin?

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Yes, Jesus was the first one who kept the law as it should, but that was because He was conceived by the seed of the Father. He lived His whole life as a pattern for born again believers who are given the same seed of the Father. That is why in Romans 8:29-30 Jesus was the firstborn of many brethren, and NOT just the only one.

My friend, this is the truth that will set us free from sin. Jesus does it all through His gift of the Holy Spirit. We just can't quench the Spirit, but stay walking in the Spirit, because without holiness, no man shall see God

I post this every now and then.....now seems like a good time to do it again.....lest people get carried away with their precious Law.....a “ powerless entity” that is practically worthless when you compare it to the thing that DOES have Power——- the Gospel Of GRACE......many here need to get familiar with it...


37 Scriptures That Prove Christians Are Not Under The Law


Many Christians give lip service to the fact they live in the New Covenant.

The truth however is that because they fail to realise they are no longer under the law they are really still living in an Old Covenant reality.

Here are 37 scriptures that prove that Christians are not under the law!

Acts
The law is an unbearable yoke. (Acts 15:10)

Romans
The law reveals sin but cannot fix it. (Romans 3:20)

If the law worked then faith would be irrelevant. (Romans 4:14)

The law brings wrath upon those who follow it. (Romans 4:15)

The purpose of the law was to increase sin. (Romans 5:20)

Christians are not under the law. (Romans 6:14)

Christians have been delivered from the law. (Romans 7:1-6)

The law is good, perfect and holy but cannot help you be good, perfect or holy. (Romans 7:7-12)

The law which promises life only brings death through sin. (Romans 7:10)

The law makes you sinful beyond measure. (Romans 7:13)

The law is weak. (Romans 8:2-3)

1 Corinthians
The strength of sin is the law (1 Corinthians 15:56)

2 Corinthians
The law is a ministry of death. (2 Corinthians 3:7)

The law is a ministry of condemnation. (2 Corinthians 3:9)

The law has no glory at all in comparison with the New Covenant. (2 Corinthians 3:10)

The law is fading away. (2 Corinthians 3:11)

Anywhere the law is preached it produces a mind-hardening and a heart-hardening veil. (2 Corinthians 3:14-15)

Galatians
The law justifies nobody. (Galatians 2:16)

Christians are dead to the law. (Galatians 2:19)

The law frustrates grace. (Galatians 2:21)

To go back to the law after embracing faith is “stupid”. (Galatians 3:1)

The law curses all who practice it and fail to do it perfectly. (Galatians 3:10)

The law has nothing to do with faith. (Galatians 3:11-12)

The law was a curse that Christ redeemed us from. (Galatians 3:13)

The law functioned in God’s purpose as a temporary covenant from Moses till John the Baptist announced Christ. (Galatians 3:16 & 19, also see… Matthew 11:12-13, Luke 16:16)

If the law worked God would have used it to save us. (Galatians 3:21)

The law was our prison. (Galatians 3:23)

The law makes you a slave like Hagar. (Galatians 4:24)

Ephesians
Christ has abolished the law which was a wall of hostility (Ephesians 2:15)

Philippians
Paul considered everything the law gained him as “skybalon” which is Greek for “poop”. (Philippians 3:4-8)

1 Timothy
The law is only good if used in the right context. (1 Timothy 1:8) (see next verse for the context)

It was made for the unrighteous but not for the righteous. (1 Timothy 1:9-10)

Hebrews
The law is weak, useless and makes nothing perfect. (Hebrews 7:18-19)

God has found fault with it and created a better covenant, enacted on better promises. (Hebrews 8:7-8)

It is obsolete, growing old and ready to vanish. (Hebrews 8:13)

It is only a shadow of good things to come and will never make someone perfect. (Hebrews 10:1)

Well there you have it… 37 scriptures that make a very convincing arguement.

 

[CharismaticLady]

I post this every now and then.....now seems like a good time to do it again.....lest people get carried away with their precious Law.....a “ powerless entity” that is practically worthless when you compare it to the thing that DOES have Power——- the Gospel Of GRACE......many here need to get familiar with it...


37 Scriptures That Prove Christians Are Not Under The Law


Many Christians give lip service to the fact they live in the New Covenant.

The truth however is that because they fail to realise they are no longer under the law they are really still living in an Old Covenant reality.

Here are 37 scriptures that prove that Christians are not under the law!

Acts
The law is an unbearable yoke. (Acts 15:10)

Romans
The law reveals sin but cannot fix it. (Romans 3:20)

If the law worked then faith would be irrelevant. (Romans 4:14)

The law brings wrath upon those who follow it. (Romans 4:15)

The purpose of the law was to increase sin. (Romans 5:20)

Christians are not under the law. (Romans 6:14)

Christians have been delivered from the law. (Romans 7:1-6)

The law is good, perfect and holy but cannot help you be good, perfect or holy. (Romans 7:7-12)

The law which promises life only brings death through sin. (Romans 7:10)

The law makes you sinful beyond measure. (Romans 7:13)

The law is weak. (Romans 8:2-3)

1 Corinthians
The strength of sin is the law (1 Corinthians 15:56)

2 Corinthians
The law is a ministry of death. (2 Corinthians 3:7)

The law is a ministry of condemnation. (2 Corinthians 3:9)

The law has no glory at all in comparison with the New Covenant. (2 Corinthians 3:10)

The law is fading away. (2 Corinthians 3:11)

Anywhere the law is preached it produces a mind-hardening and a heart-hardening veil. (2 Corinthians 3:14-15)

Galatians
The law justifies nobody. (Galatians 2:16)

Christians are dead to the law. (Galatians 2:19)

The law frustrates grace. (Galatians 2:21)

To go back to the law after embracing faith is “stupid”. (Galatians 3:1)

The law curses all who practice it and fail to do it perfectly. (Galatians 3:10)

The law has nothing to do with faith. (Galatians 3:11-12)

The law was a curse that Christ redeemed us from. (Galatians 3:13)

The law functioned in God’s purpose as a temporary covenant from Moses till John the Baptist announced Christ. (Galatians 3:16 & 19, also see… Matthew 11:12-13, Luke 16:16)

If the law worked God would have used it to save us. (Galatians 3:21)

The law was our prison. (Galatians 3:23)

The law makes you a slave like Hagar. (Galatians 4:24)

Ephesians
Christ has abolished the law which was a wall of hostility (Ephesians 2:15)

Philippians
Paul considered everything the law gained him as “skybalon” which is Greek for “poop”. (Philippians 3:4-8)

1 Timothy
The law is only good if used in the right context. (1 Timothy 1:8) (see next verse for the context)

It was made for the unrighteous but not for the righteous. (1 Timothy 1:9-10)

Hebrews
The law is weak, useless and makes nothing perfect. (Hebrews 7:18-19)

God has found fault with it and created a better covenant, enacted on better promises. (Hebrews 8:7-8)

It is obsolete, growing old and ready to vanish. (Hebrews 8:13)

It is only a shadow of good things to come and will never make someone perfect. (Hebrews 10:1)

Well there you have it… 37 scriptures that make a very convincing arguement.

What you don't understand is that the Royal law to Love God with all your heart, mind and strength and love your neighbor as yourself is written on our hearts as part of the New Covenant. We no longer need Laws written on stone when deeper, more complete laws, are now part of our new born again nature. THAT is why we are not under the old law. It doesn't mean we are lawless. NO! We establish the law.

 

[marks]

Yes, you know that is what I teach. So why do you teach against sinlessness? Does the Spirit really guide us into sin?

You do not teach sinlessness. You exempt some sins from counting. But all sin is unrighteousness. All of it.

Much love!

 

[CharismaticLady]

You do not teach sinlessness. You exempt some sins from counting. But all sin is unrighteousness. All of it.

Much love!

When you forgive your brethren for their trespasses against you, your own trespasses are cleansed. Always forgive and you will remain sinless of both. Understand yet? Someday hopefully you will.

That is the message of 1 John 1:7 for born again Christians. You maintain fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus is cleansing you of all sins.

 

[marks]

When you forgive your brethren for their trespasses against you, your own trespasses are cleansed. Always forgive and you will remain sinless of both. Understand yet? Someday hopefully you will.

That is the message of 1 John 1:7 for born again Christian. You retain fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus is cleansing you of all sins.

And so when you say "sinless", you don't mean that you don't commit sins, only, that so long as you keep up with this work of forgiving others, you will remain "sinless", being forgiven of the sins commited. Right? This is what you are saying? Not that you don't sin, rather, that those sins will be forgiven.

Much love!

 

[CharismaticLady]

And so when you say "sinless", you don't mean that you don't commit sins, only, that so long as you keep up with this work of forgiving others, you will remain "sinless", being forgiven of the sins commited. Right? This is what you are saying? Not that you don't sin, rather, that those sins will be forgiven.

Much love!

Yes. Maintain righteousness. Jesus has given you everything you need, and empowered you with a new nature, so its easy. Forgiveness is love. Its in your new nature. So it does not mean "work." It would only be a work if it is forced by laws which are against your nature.

 

[marks]

Yes. Maintain righteousness. Jesus has given you everything you need, and empowered you with a new nature, so its easy. Forgiveness is love. Its in your new nature. So it does not mean "work." It would only be a work if it is forced by laws which are against your nature.

OK, so then you aren't saying you don't sin, rather, it is forgiven as long as you forgive others. I appreciate the clarification!

Much love!

 

[prism]

Yes, Jesus was the first one who kept the law as it should, but that was because He was conceived by the seed of the Father. He lived His whole life as a pattern for born again believers who are given the same seed of the Father. That is why in Romans 8:29-30 Jesus was the firstborn of many brethren, and NOT just the only one.

My friend, this is the truth that will set us free from sin. Jesus does it all through His gift of the Holy Spirit. We just can't quench the Spirit, but stay walking in the Spirit, because without holiness, no man shall see God

That is also why His perfect obedience (of keeping the law) is imputed to us as a free gift...

Romans 5:19 (KJV) For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

 

[marks]

Yes. Maintain righteousness. Jesus has given you everything you need, and empowered you with a new nature, so its easy. Forgiveness is love. Its in your new nature. So it does not mean "work." It would only be a work if it is forced by laws which are against your nature.

One thing I would add . . . I agree completely, forgiveness is love. I don't believe that forgiving others earns our own forgiveness, as God tells us to forgive others as we have been forgiven, so for the church, God forgiving me comes first, and we forgive others having been already forgiven ourselves.

But that being said, to walk in love towards others is to have no offense from them, that is, nothing to be forgiven, only love for them. No counting wrongs, no record of wrongs, I'm not the Lawgiver anyway! And I'm no better than anyone else. So to even have a complaint much less to hold on to it, that's not love.

I like to think in terms of just living forgiveness, not counting anything against anyone, whenever possible. But I think it is possible!

Much love!

 

[GRACE ambassador]

he quoted CL's Idea:
Born again Christians do not have "imputed" righteousness as is commonly, but erroneously taught.

Not "common theology"?: Greek = λογιζόμαϊ {logizomai} =
theology:
ascribe (righteousness, guilt, etc.) to someone by virtue of a similar quality in another.

So then, do Born again Christians have "imputed" SIN?: God Says NO!:

Rom_4:8 Blessed is the man to whom The LORD Will NOT impute sin.
Correct?

So, the Exact OPPOSITE for the born-again believer would be what is
commonly taught, According To God's WORD Of Truth?:

Rom 4:22-24
"And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness. Now it was
not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him; But for
us also, to whom it SHALL Be imputed, if we believe on Him that
raised up JESUS our LORD from the dead;"

How is that an "error" From God???

Please Be Richly Encouraged, Exhorted, and Edified!
God's Simple Will!

 

[CharismaticLady]

OK, so then you aren't saying you don't sin, rather, it is forgiven as long as you forgive others. I appreciate the clarification!

Much love!

Just know that maturing in the fruit of the Spirit as time goes by reduces the number of trespasses you commit. 2 Peter 1:5-7 are the steps to glorification. Notice the last one to completely mature is love, but is first in the list of fruit. It is the most important fruit of all.