The Gospel is actually good news and here is why.

[Instant]

OSAS people...they say they are always saved even if we live a life that is not pleasing to God



Have you ever considered that the “OSAS Life” is the Life that *IS* pleasing to God?

God is not looking for Perfection.....He is looking for Trust.....One May agree or one may disagree with the Doctrine Of OSAS , But it is definitely the Doctrine That shows the most Trust in God and gone ALONE for Salvation....I think that’s the way God likes it...Jesus paid it all.....

Obedience is how we show our faith. Taking up our cross daily to follow Jesus is showing faith. The devils believe Jesus Christ is the Son of God and tremble, but they are not saved.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

@Instant

You tell ‘em!

Amen!

 

[Curtis]

Tired of the Gospel being turned into a system of law that only drags us down, robs us of joy
and stifles our love for the One who died for us?
Tired of being rerouted back to the law in order to be sanctified or to prove that your faith is genuine?


The Gospel is actually good news and here is why.

1. God has actually concluded all people under sin, whether they be Jew or Gentile, rich poor, black or white etc. (Gal 3:22)

2. Jesus Christ perfectly fulfilled all the requirements for righteousness AND took all our sins upon Himself and took the punishment that those sins fully deserve. (Rom 5:19)

3. through faith, He declares us righteous, (Rom 3:28) robes us in that righteousness, (Gal 3:27), regenerates us as His children (Jn 1:12), and freely grants us the Holy Spirit (Gal 3:2) to strengthen us, enlighten us, convict, comfort and guide us and most of all, direct our hearts into the love of Jesus (Jn 16:7-14), who has granted eternal life as a free gift through faith in Him (Rom 5:15-18).

4. We died to the law that held us that we may live anew to God. (Rom 7:1-4) (Gal 2:19)


Please keep the responses civil and I'll try to do the same.

Thanks for confirming what I’ve been saying.

We are not saved by keeping works of the law of Moses, which all your texts are about.

That law of 613 statutes and laws, ordinances, commands, was our schoolmaster UNTIL faith, and Jesus came - which is what Paul emphasizes over and over to the gentiles, as the apostle to the gentiles, that we have died to that law, and are no longer under it.

Every single time Paul mentions THE LAW, WORKS, WORKS OF THE LAW, THE LAW OF MOSES, or WORKS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS, it is always in reference to works of the law of Moses.

Even in the famous Ephesians 2:8-9, Paul is saying, by grace are ye saved THROUGH faith, not of works of the law of Moses.

The context of the rest of Ephesians 2 proves that, because right after saying we are saved by faith apart from the works (of the law of Moses), in verses 8 and 9, Paul then discusses how we gentiles were both without Christ, and alienated from the covenant and law Moses brought Israel - thus we were cut off from God two ways - without Christ and without the covenant with God that Israel had.

But then Jesus drew us near to God by His blood which abolished the law (of Moses) with its ordinances and commands that were against us, nailing them to His cross, so we are no longer strangers (gentiles - meaning Godless) and gave us peace with God and drew us near to god.

Thus Ephesians chapter two is in the context of being saved by grace through faith apart from the works of the law of Moses, which Jesus has abolished by nailing it to His cross.

Now that we’ve reestablished that we, and Abraham, are justified apart from works (of the law of Moses) , the next step is to figure out what type of works James meant when he wrote that Abraham WAS JUSTIFIED by works, as are all men.

 

[Cooper]

OSAS people...they say they are always saved even if we live a life that is not pleasing to God

Put your trust in Jesus. He is the WAY, the TRUTH and THE LIFE.

Calvin has done nothing, except take people's attention away from the Saviour of the World and down the road of licentiousness, into Satan's lair.

 

[CharismaticLady]

4. We died to the law that held us that we may live anew to God. (Rom 7:1-4) (Gal 2:19)

1 Peter 2:24 (KJV) Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

What you left out of your first post, you added in your second post. Do you really believe your second post, that Jesus died to take away our carnal nature that is the whole cause of sin (Romans 7:13; 1 John 3:5), or do you believe we still want to sin?

The problem with the law is that it was holy, but we had indwelling sin in us, so try as we might our nature was always in opposition to the law, making it hard to keep, especially the only one of the heart - coveting. Romans 7:13-23. Romans 8:3. The good news (gospel) is that Jesus died to take away the carnal nature and make us born again of the Spirit. By taking away the carnal nature and nailing it on the cross with Him, He took away our sin, and wrote the eternal laws of God on our hearts. So instead of being in opposition to the law, we establish the law we now love.

And this time the law is not against us - thou shalt NOT, or else; it is the eternal Royal Law of LOVE that the Mosaic law was based on but God had to dumb down the commandments to our level of willpower. But on our hearts He wrote: To love God with all our heart, mind and strength, and to love our neighbor as ourselves.

The good news is in John 8:32-26. The truth shall make you free. Not free from law in order to sin, but free FROM SIN and the need for the laws of sin and death.

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Put your trust in Jesus. He is the WAY, the TRUTH and THE LIFE.

Calvin has done nothing, except take people's attention away from the Saviour of the World and down the road of licentiousness, into Satan's lair.

I know absolutely nothing about Calvinism and don't care to know.......I just take God at His Word....He said that if I would Turn to Him, He would Turn to me....He said That If I would Turn to Him with Faith in Jesus Christ, He would “ Save me to the UTTERMOST”.....What more do you need ? I did my part, so now I am confident that He will do His part.....that takes Faith....that’s what I got....that’s the simple reason that I am Saved Forever....how about you? I don’t think some of you guys REALLY Trust Him to keep His Word....that’s a shame....perhaps a “ damned” shame....lets hope not....

 

[Cooper]

I know absolutely nothing about Calvinism and don't care to know.......I just take God at His Word....He said that if I would Turn to Him, He would Turn to me....He said That If I would Turn to Him with Faith in Jesus Christ, He would “ Save me to the UTTERMOST”.....What more do you need ? I did my part, so now I am confident that He will do His part.....that takes Faith....that’s what I got....that’s the simple reason that I am Saved Forever....how about you? I don’t think some of you guys REALLY Trust Him to keep His Word....that’s a shame....perhaps a “ damned” shame....lets hope not....

You have faith in Jesus which is excellent, and I shall stop there, except to suggest you read all Christ's teachings, which in most Bibles is highlighted in red as you will know, and simply follow on. Any problems and you only have to ask, in the meantime I, and I am sure many others will pray for your continued growth in grace. God bless.

 

[GRACE ambassador]

1 Corinthians 3:13-15 is self explanatory. This is from the Good News Bible and is about the work of the evangelist or teacher. Those teachers whose work is founded on the Rock Christ Jesus will receive their reward, but those whose converts are burnt up, will lose their reward, but they (the teacher) will escape the fire.

“And the quality of each person's work will be seen when the Day of Christ exposes it. For on that Day fire will reveal everyone's work; the fire will test it and show its real quality. If what was built on the foundation survives the fire, the builder will receive a reward. But if your work is burnt up, then you will lose it; but you yourself will be saved, as if you had escaped through the fire.” (GNB)


1 Corinthians 5 is about sexual immorality in the church. Such a person should be handed over to Satan, meaning they should be excommunicated from the church.

Now, it is actually being said that there is sexual immorality among you so terrible that not even the heathen would be guilty of it. I am told that a man is sleeping with his stepmother! How, then, can you be proud? On the contrary, you should be filled with sadness, and the man who has done such a thing should be expelled from your fellowship. (3-4) And even though I am far away from you in body, still I am there with you in spirit; and as though I were there with you, I have in the name of our Lord Jesus already passed judgment on the man who has done this terrible thing. As you meet together, and I meet with you in my spirit, by the power of our Lord Jesus present with us, you are to hand this man over to Satan (excommunicate) for his body to be destroyed, so that his spirit may be saved in the Day of the Lord. (1 Corinthians 5:1-5 GNB)

All is not lost because:-
My friends, if any of you wander away from the truth and another one (teacher) brings you back again, remember this: whoever turns a sinner back from the wrong way will save that sinner's soul from death and bring about the forgiveness of many sins. (James 5:19-20)

Teachers Beware.

Of course, scriptural evasion of the question?
Evangelists and teachers ONLY go to The Bema Judgment Seat, instead of
ALL "members" of The Body Of CHRIST. Never heard of such foolishness before.
Pray tell, where is The Judgment "for the REST {NOT 'evangelists or teachers'}
of the members" of The Body Of CHRIST.

Since ALL the members are "ONE, And members one of another," then it
makes Absolutely NO SENSE to Split them UP, into a "partial rapture," AND,
into DIFFERENT Judgments??? But, surely YOU "have SCRIPTURE" for all of this
ingenious idea??????

Thanks again for all this foolishness...

 

[prism]

Thanks for confirming what I’ve been saying.

We are not saved by keeping works of the law of Moses, which all your texts are about.

That law of 613 statutes and laws, ordinances, commands, was our schoolmaster UNTIL faith, and Jesus came - which is what Paul emphasizes over and over to the gentiles, as the apostle to the gentiles, that we have died to that law, and are no longer under it.

Every single time Paul mentions THE LAW, WORKS, WORKS OF THE LAW, THE LAW OF MOSES, or WORKS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS, it is always in reference to works of the law of Moses.

Even in the famous Ephesians 2:8-9, Paul is saying, by grace are ye saved THROUGH faith, not of works of the law of Moses.

The context of the rest of Ephesians 2 proves that, because right after saying we are saved by faith apart from the works (of the law of Moses), in verses 8 and 9, Paul then discusses how we gentiles were both without Christ, and alienated from the covenant and law Moses brought Israel - thus we were cut off from God two ways - without Christ and without the covenant with God that Israel had.

But then Jesus drew us near to God by His blood which abolished the law (of Moses) with its ordinances and commands that were against us, nailing them to His cross, so we are no longer strangers (gentiles - meaning Godless) and gave us peace with God and drew us near to god.

Thus Ephesians chapter two is in the context of being saved by grace through faith apart from the works of the law of Moses, which Jesus has abolished by nailing it to His cross.

Now that we’ve reestablished that we, and Abraham, are justified apart from works (of the law of Moses) , the next step is to figure out what type of works James meant when he wrote that Abraham WAS JUSTIFIED by works, as are all men.

Thanks, I would go a step further and say that the foundational of our walk in sanctification is a clear understanding of our justification in Christ. In it we receive the Holy Spirit, a new nature which means a new willingness to please God, we receive freedom from condemnation of the law as we learn we have died to the law (it is not abolished) through the death of Christ and Christ declares us as righteous, as a free gift earned by His obedience to the law (not ours).
As far as James goes, James is dealing with people who claim to have faith, but their works prove otherwise. Our works justify us in the sight of men, but God who knows our hearts (men can't see our hearts) justifies us, regardless of the imperfection of our works when He sees a mustard seed of faith looking to His crucified and risen Son taking his sins upon Him.
Abraham was justified by works when he offered Isaac (something we see) but much earlier when Abraham believed God (something we don't see)...


And he brought him forth abroad, and said, Look now toward heaven, and tell the stars, if thou be able to number them: and he said unto him, So shall thy seed be. And he believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness.
(Gen 15:5-6)

Abram/Abraham had many missteps from Ur to Mt. Moriah as his faith grew stronger and stronger.

 

[GRACE ambassador]

Like it or not, James is part of the Bible.

Precious friend, Certainly we "like" it, And we can learn from it, Correct? However,
to Wrongly Combine "law/faith + works" To The TWELVE tribes (James 1:1 KJB!),
ISRAEL Always "LOOKING for a SIGN!" {SIGHT,Correct}
WITH:

GRACE In God's "Revelation Of The MYSTERY" = GRACE Through faith, TO
The Body Of CHRIST, who SHOULD "...walk BY FAITH, NOT by sight..."
(2Co 5:7 KJB!), IS, Well, Causing ALL the Confusion, AND, ALL OF THE:

"BITING And Devouring one another!" Such LOVE there is in The Body Of CHRIST!
Correct?

 

[Cooper]

Of course, scriptural evasion of the question?
Evangelists and teachers ONLY go to The Bema Judgment Seat, instead of
ALL "members" of The Body Of CHRIST. Never heard of such foolishness before.
Pray tell, where is The Judgment "for the REST {NOT 'evangelists or teachers'}
of the members" of The Body Of CHRIST.

Since ALL the members are "ONE, And members one of another," then it
makes Absolutely NO SENSE to Split them UP, into a "partial rapture," AND,
into DIFFERENT Judgments??? But, surely YOU "have SCRIPTURE" for all of this
ingenious idea??????

Thanks again for all this foolishness...

Thank you for showing your true colours, Mr GRACE ambassador. It's off to the dungeon for you. Bye.
.

 

[prism]

What you left out of your first post, you added in your second post. Do you really believe your second post, that Jesus died to take away our carnal nature that is the whole cause of sin (Romans 7:13; 1 John 3:5), or do you believe we still want to sin?

The nature of the new birth/new man is not wanting to sin.

The problem with the law is that it was holy, but we had indwelling sin in us, so try as we might our nature was always in opposition to the law, making it hard to keep, especially the only one of the heart - coveting. Romans 7:13-23. Romans 8:3. The good news (gospel) is that Jesus died to take away the carnal nature and make us born again of the Spirit. By taking away the carnal nature and nailing it on the cross with Him, He took away our sin, and wrote the eternal laws of God on our hearts. So instead of being in opposition to the law, we establish the law we now love.

Sorry, I still believe there are two natures in us until we receive our new bodies...

Galatians 5:17 (KJV) For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.

For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I. If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good. Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. (Rom 7:15-17)

And this time the law is not against us - thou shalt NOT, or else; it is the eternal Royal Law of LOVE that the Mosaic law was based on but God had to dumb down the commandments to our level of willpower. But on our hearts He wrote: To love God with all our heart, mind and strength, and to love our neighbor as ourselves.

God dumbed down the Commandments to our level of willpower???
No, the very purpose of the commandments was to reveal our sinfulness and weakness at attaining righteousness in our own strength. God didn't dumb them down, He fulfilled them in our stead, so that we would willingly love God and our neighbor. Even at that, we fail.

The good news is in John 8:32-26. The truth shall make you free. Not free from law in order to sin, but free FROM SIN and the need for the laws of sin and death.

Here is when we experience freedom from sin in totality...

When the perishable puts on the imperishable, and the mortal puts on immortality, then shall come to pass the saying that is written: “Death is swallowed up in victory.” “O death, where is your victory? O death, where is your sting?” The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law.
(1Co 15:54-56)

Until then, faith in Jesus

 

[CharismaticLady]

The nature of the new birth/new man is not wanting to sin.


Sorry, I still believe there are two natures in us until we receive our new bodies...

Galatians 5:17 (KJV) For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.

For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I. If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good. Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. (Rom 7:15-17)


God dumbed down the Commandments to our level of willpower???
No, the very purpose of the commandments was to reveal our sinfulness and weakness at attaining righteousness in our own strength. God didn't dumb them down, He fulfilled them in our stead, so that we would willingly love God and our neighbor. Even at that, we fail.

Here is when we experience freedom from sin in totality...

When the perishable puts on the imperishable, and the mortal puts on immortality, then shall come to pass the saying that is written: “Death is swallowed up in victory.” “O death, where is your victory? O death, where is your sting?” The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law.
(1Co 15:54-56)

Until then, faith in Jesus

You still have free will, and Romans 6 says you can choose. But this is also why Paul commanded to not quench the Spirit. You can stay in the Spirit and never commit willful sins of lawlessness, just minor sins not unto death called trespasses. Leviticus 5:15; Numbers 15:22-29; Matthew 6:14-15. And as long as you stay reconciled with the brethren and forgive each other, those are automatically cleansed, 1 John 1:7; 1 John 2:1

 

[ChristisGod]

You still have free will, and Romans 6 says you can choose. But this is also why Paul commanded to not quench the Spirit. You can stay in the Spirit and never commit willful sins of lawlessness, just minor sins not unto death called trespasses. Leviticus 5:15; Numbers 15:22-29; Matthew 6:14-15. And as long as you stay reconciled with the brethren and forgive each other, those are automatically cleansed, 1 John 1:7; 1 John 2:1

all sin is willful and trespasses are sins- are you sure that you are not a charismatic catholic with your sin distinctions ? you sound very RCC.............

 

[CharismaticLady]

all sin is willful and trespasses are sins- are you sure that you are not a charismatic catholic with your sin distinctions ? you sound very RCC.............

The only thing Catholics are condemned for by Jesus is turning a pagan goddess into Mary. That is what the reference to Jezebel in the letter to Thyatira is all about. But to the Reformationists/Sardis He says, "you have a name that you are alive, but you are dead." That is because they preached a doctrine of demons about sin. Martin Luther even said, "No sin can separate us from Him, even if we were to kill or commit adultery thousands of times each day." There is no better example of a doctrine of demons than that. But later during the Reformation age there were some "who have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with Me in white, for they are worthy." Not until John Wesley started preaching holiness was that true.

 

[Curtis]

Thanks, I would go a step further and say that the foundational of our walk in sanctification is a clear understanding of our justification in Christ. In it we receive the Holy Spirit, a new nature which means a new willingness to please God, we receive freedom from condemnation of the law as we learn we have died to the law (it is not abolished) through the death of Christ and Christ declares us as righteous, as a free gift earned by His obedience to the law (not ours).
As far as James goes, James is dealing with people who claim to have faith, but their works prove otherwise. Our works justify us in the sight of men, but God who knows our hearts (men can't see our hearts) justifies us, regardless of the imperfection of our works when He sees a mustard seed of faith looking to His crucified and risen Son taking his sins upon Him.
Abraham was justified by works when he offered Isaac (something we see) but much earlier when Abraham believed God (something we don't see)...


And he brought him forth abroad, and said, Look now toward heaven, and tell the stars, if thou be able to number them: and he said unto him, So shall thy seed be. And he believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness.
(Gen 15:5-6)

Abram/Abraham had many missteps from Ur to Mt. Moriah as his faith grew stronger and stronger.

There is no unconditional eternal security in the Bible.

Hebrews 3, for just one example, warns the brethren not to harden their hearts, through the deceitfulness of sin, and thus DEPART FROM the living God.

There’s no OSAS in Hebrews 3.

Jesus warns the Sardis church that He spews out those who are lukewarm in Revelation 3:16, then warns that church that they are DEAD, and need to REPENT and become overcomers, or He will BLOT OUT their names from the book of life.

There’s no OSAS in Revelation 3.

Paul gives many specific warnings about being deceived about the consequences of living a sinful lifestyle as believers. Sexual sins especially.

In fact Paul wrote that our SANCTIFICATION is avoiding sexual sins:

1Th 4:3 For this is the will of God, YOUR SANCTIFICATION: that you abstain from sexual immorality;

1Th 4:4 that each one of you know how to control his own body in holiness and honor,

1Th 4:5 not in the passion of lust like the Gentiles who do not know God;

1Th 4:6 that no one transgress and wrong his BROTHER in this matter, because the Lord is an avenger in all these things, as we told you beforehand and solemnly WARNED you.

1Th 4:7 For God has not called us for impurity, but in holiness.

1Th 4:8 Therefore whoever disregards this, disregards not man but God, who gives his Holy Spirit to you.


Our sanctification is to abstain from sexual immorality, verse 3, above.

 

[Curtis]

The nature of the new birth/new man is not wanting to sin.

On the contrary:

Paul wrote in Romans chapter 7, that after we have been saved, there is a continuing conflict between the flesh and the Spirit - in choosing to walk in the flesh and live in sin - or choose to walk after the Holy Spirit (that now dwells in us) - and Paul warns us in Romans 8, that choosing to live in sins (works of the flesh), will keep us out of heaven:


Romans 8. starts off with a conditional statement:


Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, WHO WALK NOT AFTER THE FLESH, BUT AFTER THE SPIRIT.




Half of verse one is frequently quoted, absent the qualifier -

In Galatians 5, Paul lists the works of the flesh, which defines what is meant in Romans 8 about walking after the flesh, instead of after the spirit:


Gal 5:16 ThisI say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.


Gal 5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.


Gal 5:18 But IF ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.


Gal 5:19 Now the WORKS OF THE FLESH are manifest, which are these;Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,


Gal 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,


Gal 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell YOU again, as I have also told youin time past, that they which DO such things shall NOT inherit the kingdom of God.


Paul warns many times in many scriptures, that if we as believers choose to walk after the flesh, we will die (spiritually) - but if we choose to walk after the spirit, we will have everlasting life:


And Paul warns us against being deceived about living in sin as a believer, when he wrote:


Gal 6:7 Be Not DECEIVED ; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man SOWETH, that shall he also REAP.


Gal 6:8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; BUT he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting


You reap everlasting life only if you sow to the spirit (walk after the Spirit, Romans 8:1) , but reap spiritual death if you sow to your flesh - per the prodigal son example given earlier.


When we do occasionally sin, we must confess it, for God to forgive it. 1 John 1:9, as discussed earlier.


The lies of hyper grace are twofold: you don’t ever need to repent after salvation when you sin; and you can’t lose salvation.


This makes grace a license to sin, since sin has no eternal penalty.


Romans 8 then goes on to explain the consequences of letting the flesh win the conflict between the Spirit and flesh:


Rom 8:5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.


Rom 8:6 For to be carnally minded is -DEATH - but to be spiritually minded is -LIFE - and peace.


Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is - ENMITY against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.


Rom 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.


Romans 8:6, above, is talking about spiritual death - not physical death - as proven by the prodigal son, who died spiritually while he was out in the world sinning:


In the prodigal son story, the father represents God, thus the son represents believers who are Gods sons.


He’s already a son when the story starts.


He leaves the father to live in sin


When he returns to the father in repentance, the father says: this is my son WHO WAS DEAD, but is now alive AGAIN, he WAS LOST, but now IS FOUND.


Luk 15:32 It was meet that we should make merry, and be glad: for this thy brother *was dead*, and is *alive again*; and *was lost*, and *is found*.


He obviously wasn’t dead physically and resurrected.


How then was he dead?


He was dead in his sins.


Eph 2:1 And you hath he quickened,who WERE DEAD in *trespasses and sins*


Thus the son was alive, left his Father to live a sinful life, became DEAD in his sins, then returned in repentance, and became alive AGAIN.


Therefore Romans 8:6 contains a warning to the brethren not to live carnally, after the flesh, or they will die spiritually, as the prodigal Son did.


And Verse 8:7 of Romans warns us that believers having a carnal mind is ENMITY against God, meaning you actually become Gods ENEMY.


In Galatians 5, Paul lists the works of the flesh, which defines what is meant in Romans 8 about walking after the flesh, instead of after the spirit:


Gal 5:16 ThisI say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.


Gal 5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.


Gal 5:18 But IF ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.


Gal 5:19 Now the WORKS OF THE FLESH are manifest, which are these;Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,


Gal 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,


Gal 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell YOU again, as I have also told youin time past, that they which DO such things shall NOT inherit the kingdom of God.


Paul warns many times in many scriptures, that if we as believers choose to walk after the flesh, we will die (spiritually) - but if we choose to walk after the spirit, we will have everlasting life:


And Paul warns us against being deceived about living in sin as a believer, when he wrote:


Gal 6:7 Be Not DECEIVED ; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man SOWETH, that shall he also REAP.


Gal 6:8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; BUT he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting


You reap everlasting life only if you sow to the spirit (walk after the Spirit, Romans 8:1) , but reap spiritual death if you sow to your flesh - per the prodigal son example given earlier, and Romans 8:12-13.


When we do occasionally sin, we must confess it, for God to forgive it. 1 John 1:9.


The lies of hyper grace are twofold: you don’t ever need to repent after salvation when you sin; and you can’t lose salvation.


This makes grace a license to sin, since sin has no eternal penalty.

 

[Curtis]

The only thing Catholics are condemned for by Jesus is turning a pagan goddess into Mary. That is what the reference to Jezebel in the letter to Thyatira is all about. But to the Reformationists/Sardis He says, "you have a name that you are alive, but you are dead." That is because they preached a doctrine of demons about sin. Martin Luther even said, "No sin can separate us from Him, even if we were to kill or commit adultery thousands of times each day." There is no better example of a doctrine of demons than that. But later during the Reformation age there were some "who have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with Me in white, for they are worthy." Not until John Wesley started preaching holiness was that true.

That’s the problem with Martin Luther and the reformation - they swung the pendulum from one side, with RCC error - way over to the completely opposite side, with Calvinism and OSAS - instead of going to the middle, where the truth exists.

 

[CharismaticLady]

That’s the problem with Martin Luther and the reformation - they swung the pendulum from one side, with RCC error - way over to the completely opposite side, with Calvinism and OSAS - instead of going to the middle, where the truth exists.

John Wesley got it right, but the Methodists today are making poor old John turn over in his grave!

The little Methodist church I was visiting left the denomination.

 

[prism]

There is no unconditional eternal security in the Bible.

No? What must you do to stay saved?

Hebrews 7:25 (KJV) Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.

I guess what Jesus prays for doesn't come to pass?