The Death Burial Ressurection And Ascension By Christ In A Saint

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Galatians 2:20 is one of the most powerful verse's in all of written scripture. To those that are moving on in the Lord, to those that have so graciously by the grace of God moved into the deep things of God; (which is Christ in you; understanding who they are). A ongoing believer is; one that is not boxed in, not stopped, and not trapped but has kept moving on in the Lord. So what is it the believer goes on into? The Bible, the Holy Written Scriptures that are able to take the believer into the deep things of God and be taught - by the Spirit. Have you ever heard those that would say; I know what's in the Bible. One of the most ridiculous terms a believer can use. If the scriptures are the mind of God who can know what is written. Who among us can say I know what is in the Bible. That is one term that should never be used in the vocabulary of a human being. We are already a peculiar peopl. Ss the born-again; why add fuel to that fire.



The Holy Spirit is always opening up things in an area that you may have thought you already knew. It's okay when arguments are given and pleading your side of the story based on the understanding you have as a believer. Because every believer will be led by their understanding. It is the way a believer will be lead. All believers have a different understanding even if they understand the same thing. In Doctrine or in a Denomination that has their Doctrine and understanding - believers will see things in their own way. That is the uniqueness of each believer that is created in the image and likeness of God to have their own mind. The creation of the image and likeness of each believer is the unique expression that is given, that special touch believer will have and be led - by the Spirit.



So giving your side of the story is not wrong. It is the understanding you have of scripture and what is written. You can absolutely trust the Holy Spirit to lead you and guide you into all truth, as Jesus said; bringing all things to your remembrance.



20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you. - John 14:20.



The yielding - to the Spirit will also be absolutely necessary to go on in the Lord. A made-up mind that thinks it knows something cannot be led by their understanding. Why is that? Because the mind has already been made up and closed to the leading and following on; as the Apostle Paul said by the Holy Spirit. The scripture is written in the book of Acts! That Lydia had an open heart. Opening yourself to the Holy Spirit will take a open heart. You cannot be led by what you know, the only way you can be led is; by the understanding you have and staying open and yielded to the Holy Spirit is; if you have a open heart. The understanding you has been given by the Holy Spirit as a way of revealing spiritual things to you.



The Holy Spirit is the only one that can lead you into seeing your death on the cross; to every one that has believed upon the Lord Jesus Christ as their personal savior and into seeing that death of Jesus Christ as their death. All in Adam crucified by the death of Jesus Christ on the cursed tree. According to scripture everyone that hangeth on a tree would have the curse of death. That cursed tree bringing the; curse to the death (old man was - the death and was that death), into life as a believer (understanding the only life is christ in the believer). It is Jesus Christ that hung on that cursed tree and upon his death, all in Adam died.



14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead:



15 and that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again. - 2 Corinthians 5:14-15.



That death is the death of the old man. How does that work for a unbeliever? Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and 'thou shalt be saved and thy house'.



4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

5 For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.

6 But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above: )

7 or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)

8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;

9that if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.

13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. - Romans 10:4-13.



Every person alive 'Must Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ' if that salvation of God is to take place. It must not be mistaken; the only salvation of God is 'Christ in you the hope of glory.' What makes a Christian? Christ in you. Bless you!
 
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Galatians 2:20 is one of the most powerful verse's in all of written scripture. To those that are moving on in the Lord, to those that have so graciously by the grace of God moved into the deep things of God; (which is Christ in you; understanding who they are). A ongoing believer is; one that is not boxed in, not stopped, and not trapped but has kept moving on in the Lord. So what is it the believer goes on into? The Bible, the Holy Written Scriptures that are able to take the believer into the deep things of God and be taught - by the Spirit. Have you ever heard those that would say; I know what's in the Bible. One of the most ridiculous terms a believer can use. If the scriptures are the mind of God who can know what is written. Who among us can say I know what is in the Bible. That is one term that should never be used in the vocabulary of a human being. We are already a peculiar peopl. Ss the born-again; why add fuel to that fire.



The Holy Spirit is always opening up things in an area that you may have thought you already knew. It's okay when arguments are given and pleading your side of the story based on the understanding you have as a believer. Because every believer will be led by their understanding. It is the way a believer will be lead. All believers have a different understanding even if they understand the same thing. In Doctrine or in a Denomination that has their Doctrine and understanding - believers will see things in their own way. That is the uniqueness of each believer that is created in the image and likeness of God to have their own mind. The creation of the image and likeness of each believer is the unique expression that is given, that special touch believer will have and be led - by the Spirit.



So giving your side of the story is not wrong. It is the understanding you have of scripture and what is written. You can absolutely trust the Holy Spirit to lead you and guide you into all truth, as Jesus said; bringing all things to your remembrance.



20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you. - John 14:20.



The yielding - to the Spirit will also be absolutely necessary to go on in the Lord. A made-up mind that thinks it knows something cannot be led by their understanding. Why is that? Because the mind has already been made up and closed to the leading and following on; as the Apostle Paul said by the Holy Spirit. The scripture is written in the book of Acts! That Lydia had an open heart. Opening yourself to the Holy Spirit will take a open heart. You cannot be led by what you know, the only way you can be led is; by the understanding you have and staying open and yielded to the Holy Spirit is; if you have a open heart. The understanding you has been given by the Holy Spirit as a way of revealing spiritual things to you.



The Holy Spirit is the only one that can lead you into seeing your death on the cross; to every one that has believed upon the Lord Jesus Christ as their personal savior and into seeing that death of Jesus Christ as their death. All in Adam crucified by the death of Jesus Christ on the cursed tree. According to scripture everyone that hangeth on a tree would have the curse of death. That cursed tree bringing the; curse to the death (old man was - the death and was that death), into life as a believer (understanding the only life is christ in the believer). It is Jesus Christ that hung on that cursed tree and upon his death, all in Adam died.



14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead:



15 and that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again. - 2 Corinthians 5:14-15.



That death is the death of the old man. How does that work for a unbeliever? Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and 'thou shalt be saved and thy house'.



4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

5 For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.

6 But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above: )

7 or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)

8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;

9that if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.

13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. - Romans 10:4-13.



Every person alive 'Must Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ' if that salvation of God is to take place. It must not be mistaken; the only salvation of God is 'Christ in you the hope of glory.' What makes a Christian? Christ in you. Bless you!


We believe the first resurrection (Rev 20:6) has occurred Soul man, likely you do too as well, so now all those anointed ones (saints) have an instantaneous resurrection. Those who are left at the Lord's return will meet him in the air. 1 Thes 4:15-17
 
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We believe the first resurrection (Rev 20:6) has occurred Soul man, likely you do too as well, so now all those anointed ones (saints) have an instantaneous resurrection. Those who are left at the Lord's return will meet him in the air. 1 Thes 4:15-17

Yes those that Jesus brought out of Abrahams bosom. If I'm correct havent looked at that in sometime. The 2nd ressurection will come for the saints when Jesus comes. I'm rusty in that area right now but I believe it is something like that.
 

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We believe the first resurrection (Rev 20:6) has occurred Soul man, likely you do too as well, so now all those anointed ones (saints) have an instantaneous resurrection. Those who are left at the Lord's return will meet him in the air. 1 Thes 4:15-17

Your understanding is based on the wrong sign post along the timeline for mankind.

It is my understanding that the Rev 20:6 first resurrection is still a near future event and will occur around the same time as the Armageddon event.

We also know that the redemption of Israel will also occur around this same time and that God will sprinkle them with water to purify them and make like new again, at this time, the same covenant that He made at Mt Sinai with Israel such that they will become a Kingdom of Priests, a Holy Nation and His Possession among the Nations Covenant.

We also have been told by Christ that the beginning of the Harvest Season of Souls will start around 90-100 years after the Fig Tree, i.e. the Nation of Israel, begins to bud leaves when some of Abraham's descendants return to the Land of Canaan around 4,000 years after the birth of Isaac (Gen 16:16). This also occurs at the same time that the completion of the 2,300 year prophecy of the Gentiles trampling God's Sanctuary and His earth hosts which began around the time that the Septuagint was penned by the Jewish scribe scholars around 260-250 BC (Romans 11:25-26).

But we all chose our signposts randomly and hope that we have it right.

Shalom
 
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Yes those that Jesus brought out of Abrahams bosom. If I'm correct havent looked at that in sometime. The 2nd ressurection will come for the saints when Jesus comes. I'm rusty in that area right now but I believe it is something like that.

Since you believe the first resurrection has occurred as we do, and that all the anointed were not taken at that time, only those who had died needed a resurrection. Logically from the time of that occurrence until Jesus' return to gather all that remain alive, some will die. Do you believe like us as well that their resurrection will be instantaneous?
 

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Your understanding is based on the wrong sign post along the timeline for mankind.

It is my understanding that the Rev 20:6 first resurrection is still a near future event and will occur around the same time as the Armageddon event.

We also know that the redemption of Israel will also occur around this same time and that God will sprinkle them with water to purify them and make like new again, at this time, the same covenant that He made at Mt Sinai with Israel such that they will become a Kingdom of Priests, a Holy Nation and His Possession among the Nations Covenant.

We also have been told by Christ that the beginning of the Harvest Season of Souls will start around 90-100 years after the Fig Tree, i.e. the Nation of Israel, begins to bud leaves when some of Abraham's descendants return to the Land of Canaan around 4,000 years after the birth of Isaac (Gen 16:16). This also occurs at the same time that the completion of the 2,300 year prophecy of the Gentiles trampling God's Sanctuary and His earth hosts which began around the time that the Septuagint was penned by the Jewish scribe scholars around 260-250 BC (Romans 11:25-26).

But we all chose our signposts randomly and hope that we have it right.

Shalom


Thanks Jay for clearly presenting your understanding sir.
 

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- soul man -

The Holy Spirit is always opening up things in an area that you may have thought you already knew.

Amen brother! A definite, WOW HIGHLIGHT.

Glory to God,
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Your understanding is based on the wrong sign post along the timeline for mankind.

It is my understanding that the Rev 20:6 first resurrection is still a near future event and will occur around the same time as the Armageddon event.

We also know that the redemption of Israel will also occur around this same time and that God will sprinkle them with water to purify them and make like new again, at this time, the same covenant that He made at Mt Sinai with Israel such that they will become a Kingdom of Priests, a Holy Nation and His Possession among the Nations Covenant.

We also have been told by Christ that the beginning of the Harvest Season of Souls will start around 90-100 years after the Fig Tree, i.e. the Nation of Israel, begins to bud leaves when some of Abraham's descendants return to the Land of Canaan around 4,000 years after the birth of Isaac (Gen 16:16). This also occurs at the same time that the completion of the 2,300 year prophecy of the Gentiles trampling God's Sanctuary and His earth hosts which began around the time that the Septuagint was penned by the Jewish scribe scholars around 260-250 BC (Romans 11:25-26).

But we all chose our signposts randomly and hope that we have it right.

Shalom

Ok what you have to say about spiritual matters? Christ in you the hope of glory! What you have?
 

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Ok what you have to say about spiritual matters? Christ in you the hope of glory! What you have?

How we understand what is happening around us is a reflection of how and why we believe and is a consequence of the spiritual domain that we live in. How we understand the the End Times is a reflection of our spiritual standing in the Lord and our belief that we are in a right relationship with God.

There will always be sheep and goats within the Assembly of the Saints. Firstly, at the time of the Great Judgement, God is going to cause the separation of humanity into two flocks, with one flock made up of those who call Jesus Lord, Lord, and a second flock who will be immediately dispatched into the Lake of Fire of those who do not Jesus Lord at all. Then God will cause the flock remaining after the first separation of humanity to pass before Him where He will separate the Sheep from the Goats from among the flock of those who call Jesus, Lord, Lord, and the Goats will be then dispatched into the Lake of Fire.

What is about to happen in our near future is the completion of the allocated time period of 2,300 years for the Gentiles to be trampling God's Sanctuary and His Earthly Hosts, when the Gentile King assemble for one last tilt at trampling God's Sanctuary and His Earthly Hosts at Armageddon when the Gentile Kings and their armies will be judged along with the Heavenly Hosts, i.e. the four Beasts and the Little Horn and Satan, who have exercised their influence over the sea of humanity, and they will all be imprisoned in the Bottomless Pit.

At this time of the Gentile King's demise, God will establish His Everlasting Kingdom on the Earth, the Son of Man will be Given His dominion over all of the peoples of the earth such that the people of the earth should worship Him, and God will redeem Abraham's, Isaac's and Jacob's descendants and once again establish His covenant of a Kingdom of Priests, a Holy Nation and His Possession among the nations covenant with them like the covenant that He had entered into with them at Mt Sinai before they had rebelled against God and made idols for themselves to worship instead of God.

God's unwritten Salvation Covenant with mankind will become, for those who believe that Jesus is the Son of God and are in a perfect relationship with the Christ, our reality and we will inherit the whole realm under the heavens.

Soulman, is that Spiritual enough for you?

Does this explain why Christ will say to those who claimed that they did works in His Name, that He never knew them?

I would suggest that you judge wisely.

Shalom
 
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How we understand what is happening around us is a reflection of how and why we believe and is a consequence of the spiritual domain that we live in. How we understand the the End Times is a reflection of our spiritual standing in the Lord and our belief that we are in a right relationship with God.

There will always be sheep and goats within the Assembly of the Saints. Firstly, at the time of the Great Judgement, God is going to cause the separation of humanity into two flocks, with one flock made up of those who call Jesus Lord, Lord, and a second flock who will be immediately dispatched into the Lake of Fire of those who do not Jesus Lord at all. Then God will cause the flock remaining after the first separation of humanity to pass before Him where He will separate the Sheep from the Goats from among the flock of those who call Jesus, Lord, Lord, and the Goats will be then dispatched into the Lake of Fire.

What is about to happen in our near future is the completion of the allocated time period of 2,300 years for the Gentiles to be trampling God's Sanctuary and His Earthly Hosts, when the Gentile King assemble for one last tilt at trampling God's Sanctuary and His Earthly Hosts at Armageddon when the Gentile Kings and their armies will be judged along with the Heavenly Hosts, i.e. the four Beasts and the Little Horn and Satan, who have exercised their influence over the sea of humanity, and they will all be imprisoned in the Bottomless Pit.

At this time of the Gentile King's demise, God will establish His Everlasting Kingdom on the Earth, the Son of Man will be Given His dominion over all of the peoples of the earth such that the people of the earth should worship Him, and God will redeem Abraham's, Isaac's and Jacob's descendants and once again establish His covenant of a Kingdom of Priests, a Holy Nation and His Possession among the nations covenant with them like the covenant that He had entered into with them at Mt Sinai before they had rebelled against God and made idols for themselves to worship instead of God.

God's unwritten Salvation Covenant with mankind be become for those who believe that Jesus is the Son of God and are in a perfect relationship with the Christ our reality and we will inherit the whole realm under the heavens.

Soulman, is that Spiritual enough for you?

Does this explain why Christ will say to those who claimed that they did works in His Name, that He never knew them?

I would suggest that you judge wisely.

Shalom

Ok but question is? What do you have on Christ in the believer. What do you have to say about Christ in the believer. What is he doing there, just exsisiting. Or is there a roll he plays or whatever. Question is - what do you have to say about Christ in the believer? What is he to the believer?
 

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Galatians 2:20
'I am crucified with Christ:
.. nevertheless I live;
.... yet not I,
...... but Christ liveth in me:
........ and the life which I now live in the flesh
.......... I live by the faith of the Son of God,
............ Who loved me, and gave Himself for me.'

(Gal 2:20)

If ye then be risen with Christ,
.. seek those things which are above,
.... where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.
Set your affection on things above,
.. not on things on the earth.
.... For ye are dead,
......and your life is hid with Christ in God.
When Christ, Who is our life, shall appear,
then shall ye also appear with Him in glory.'

(Col 3:1-4)

'Mortify (reckon as dead) therefore your members which are upon the earth;
.. fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:
.... For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:
...... In the which ye also walked some time, when ye lived in them.
But now ye also put off all these;

.. anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth.
.... Lie not one to another,
...... seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds;'
And have put on the new man,
.. which is renewed in knowledge
.... after the image of Him that created him:
...... Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision,
........ Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free:
but Christ is all, and in all.'

(Col 3:5-11)

'Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved,
.. bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering;
.... Forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a quarrel against any:
...... even as Christ forgave you, so also do ye.
And above all these things put on charity, which is the bond of perfectness.'

.. And let the peace of God rule in your hearts,
.... to the which also ye are called in one body;
...... and be ye thankful.
Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom;
.. teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs,
.... singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.
And whatsoever ye do in word or deed,
.. do all in the name of the Lord Jesus,
.... giving thanks to God and the Father by Him.'

(Col 3:12-17)

Praise God!

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The Holy Spirit is the only one that can lead you into seeing your death on the cross; to every one that has believed upon the Lord Jesus Christ as their personal savior and into seeing that death of Jesus Christ as their death. All in Adam crucified by the death of Jesus Christ on the cursed tree. According to scripture everyone that hangeth on a tree would have the curse of death. That cursed tree bringing the; curse to the death (old man was - the death and was that death), into life as a believer (understanding the only life is Christ in the believer). It is Jesus Christ that hung on that cursed tree and upon his death, all in Adam died.
'But now is Christ risen from the dead,
and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
For since by man came death,
by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
For as in Adam all die,
even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
But every man in his own order:
.. Christ the firstfruits;
.... afterward
...... they that are Christ's at His coming.'

(1Cor 15:20)

Hello @soul man,

Please look again at the last sentence of the paragraph which I have quoted from your entry (above) which I have highlighted, for I believe you have got your wording mixed up. For it is not those 'in Adam' who have died with Christ at the cross, but those whom God has placed 'in Christ' (1 Corinthians 1:30-31) by His abundant grace, through faith in His Beloved Son. Those who have not placed their trust in the all-sufficient sacrifice of Christ for the remission of their sin, remain 'in Adam;' and do not have the promise of life in Christ Jesus.

Only those who have been reckoned by God to have died with Christ, have the hope of eternal life through Him, and will not come into condemnation. Yes?

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
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Since you believe the first resurrection has occurred as we do ...
That teaching is mentioned in the Bible:

2Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
2Ti 2:16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.
2Ti 2:17 And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;
2Ti 2:18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.
2Ti 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.​

The First Resurrection has not taken place yet. See that here (you probably won't, since you don't follow links, but that is your own 'rule' not found in scripture):

Resurrections in Scripture:

https://archive.org/download/resurr...Resurrections & Translations In The Bible.pdf

Hebrews 11:

https://archive.org/download/hebrew...l died - For Jehovah's Witnesses WTS - JW.pdf

Special Firstfruits:

https://archive.org/download/matthe...ial Firstfruits Resurrection of Jerusalem.pdf

The First Great Resurrection (yet to come, at the beginning of the 1,000 years at Jesus' 2nd Advent) takes place after the Special Resurrection (yet to come) and before the The Great Second Resurrection (Damnation, at the end of the 1,000 years at Jesus' 3rd Advent; Revelation 20:5a, etc), see point 14 in the first link

[14.] The Righteous (Resurrection unto Eternal Life at the start of the 1,000 Years of Revelation 20:1-7; Isaiah 24:22) - 1 Samuel 2:6; Job 14:12-14, 19:26; Hosea 13:14; Matthew 22:31; Mark 12:18,23,25; Luke 14:14, 20:35,36; John 5:29a, 6:25,28,29,39,40,44,54, 11:24,25; Acts 4:2, 17:31,32, 23:6, 24:15a,21; Romans 6:5,8, 8:11; 1 Corinthians 15:12,13,16,20,21,23,29,32,35,42,43,52-55; Philippians 3:10,11; Colossians 3:3; 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17; 2 Timothy 2:18, 4:1; Hebrews 6:2, 11:35; Revelation 20:5b,6; -- All the Holy "Clouds" of Angels, the "reapers", with Him -- Psalms 68:17, 104:3; Isaiah 66:15; Matthew 13:39,49, 16:27, 24:30, 25:31,51, 26:64; Mark 8:38, 13:27; Luke 9:26, 21:27; Acts 1:9-11; 1 Thessalonians 3:13, 4:16-17; Hebrews 1:7; Revelation 1:7, 12:7​

Joh 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
Joh 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

1Th 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
1Th 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
1Th 4:18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.​

Joh 11:24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.

Act 24:15 And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.

Rom_6:5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:

Php_3:11 If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.

Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Read Isaiah 24 with Revelation 20. Isaiah 25 with Revelation 20-21.

Isa 25:8 He will swallow up death in victory; and the Lord GOD will wipe away tears from off all faces; and the rebuke of his people shall he take away from off all the earth: for the LORD hath spoken it.
Isa 25:9 And it shall be said in that day, Lo, this is our God; we have waited for him, and he will save us: this is the LORD; we have waited for him, we will be glad and rejoice in his salvation.

Rev 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.​
 
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Hymeneus:
Humĕnaiŏs, hoo-men-ah'-yos; from Ύμήν Humēn (the god of weddings); "hymenæal"; Hymenæus, an opponent of Christianity:—Hymenæus.

Phílētos, fil-ay-tos'; from G5368; amiable; Philetus, an opposer of Christianity:—Philetus.

Amiable: having an easygoing and pleasing manner especially in social situations. Synonyms: affable, agreeable, genial… Antonyms: disagreeable, ill-natured, ill-tempered…

I believe it is Hymeneus and Alexander who Paul gives over to Satan.
1Ti 1:20 Of whom is Hymenaeus and Alexander; whom I have delivered unto Satan, that they may learn not to blaspheme.

Aléxandros, al-ex'-an-dros; from the same as (the first part of) G220 and G435; man-defender;

god of weddings, easygoing and pleasing in social settings, man defender.

Reminds me of:
Mat 24:38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
Mat 24:39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Just looking at the names of the company that was spreading disinformation.
Interesting..
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Reminds me of:
Mat 24:38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,

It os like Noahs day. The difference is the croos of coarse - but today man is not under law (dispensation), but under grace (new and better and completed dispensation). Nit Jesus said you could comlare the times, but we don't compare dispensation's. Thanks for commenting.
 

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'But now is Christ risen from the dead,
and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
For since by man came death,
by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
For as in Adam all die,
even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
But every man in his own order:
.. Christ the firstfruits;
.... afterward
...... they that are Christ's at His coming.'

(1Cor 15:20)

Hello @soul man,

Please look again at the last sentence of the paragraph which I have quoted from your entry (above) which I have highlighted, for I believe you have got your wording mixed up. For it is not those 'in Adam' who have died with Christ at the cross, but those whom God has placed 'in Christ' (1 Corinthians 1:30-31) by His abundant grace, through faith in His Beloved Son. Those who have not placed their trust in the all-sufficient sacrifice of Christ for the remission of their sin, remain 'in Adam;' and do not have the promise of life in Christ Jesus.

Only those who have been reckoned by God to have died with Christ, have the hope of eternal life through Him, and will not come into condemnation. Yes?

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

Which line - sentence. I couldn't tell, which one?
 

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Hello @soul man,

Please look again at the last sentence of the paragraph which I have quoted from your entry (above) which I have highlighted, for I believe you have got your wording mixed up. For it is not those 'in Adam' who have died with Christ at the cross, but those whom God has placed 'in Christ' (1 Corinthians 1:30-31) by His abundant grace, through faith in His Beloved Son. Those who have not placed their trust in the all-sufficient sacrifice of Christ for the remission of their sin, remain 'in Adam;' and do not have the promise of life in Christ Jesus.

Only those who have been reckoned by God to have died with Christ, have the hope of eternal life through Him, and will not come into condemnation. Yes?
Which line - sentence. I couldn't tell, which one?
Hi @soul man ,

The sentence was (quote):- 'It is Jesus Christ that hung on that cursed tree and upon his death, all in Adam died.'

Do you see what I mean? I think you must be tired, my friend. :)

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
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It os like Noahs day. The difference is the croos of coarse - but today man is not under law (dispensation), but under grace (new and better and completed dispensation). Nit Jesus said you could comlare the times, but we don't compare dispensation's. Thanks for commenting.
Noah didn't have Moses' law either, He listened to the voice of God himself.
And Noah found Grace in the yes of the Lord.
Grace, Noah was under Grace until Moses.
The law (not 10 commandments) was from Moses to John the Baptist.
We again are under Grace through Christ by faith.
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Hi @soul man ,

The sentence was (quote):- 'It is Jesus Christ that hung on that cursed tree and upon his death, all in Adam died.'

Do you see what I mean? I think you must be tired, my friend. :)

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

I imagine I am. Read the scripture I gave. When Jesus dies all died in Christ on the cross. A sinner must believe, when they do, the death of all in Adam happens the moment they believe. It is written. How was Paul crucified with Christ - he was not on a cross?
Hi @soul man ,

The sentence was (quote):- 'It is Jesus Christ that hung on that cursed tree and upon his death, all in Adam died.'

Do you see what I mean? I think you must be tired, my friend. :)

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
 

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Ok but question is? What do you have on Christ in the believer. What do you have to say about Christ in the believer. What is he doing there, just existing. Or is there a roll he plays or whatever. Question is - what do you have to say about Christ in the believer? What is he to the believer?

Your question is difficult to understand for me. In your first question, "What do I have on Christ in the Believer?" What are you really asking?

What do you understand by my statement about "being in a right relationship with God?" Is not "being in a right relationship with God," a continual condition that we should have as our focus at all times?

Shalom